CA CA - Rose Cole, 16, Oakland, 1972 - #1

[HeartofTexas]

I doubt this avenue will offer us much information, but I found a flow chart of drug rehab centers that were pretty much a spin-off from Synanon... I think the first one opened in 1976 in Florida (Sarasota?). I thought I would put the url here in case we ever needed to refer to it in the future.

http://www.thestraights.com/the-straights/thestraights-fc.htm

 

[HeartofTexas]

I received permission from the SIL to post the following two responses that she received from the Marin County Coroner Investigator re Jane Doe.

This is the first one, received earlier tonight:

My name is Darrell Harris. I am an Investigator
>> with the Marin County
>> Coroner's Office. I handle most of the Doe cases
>> and your request has
>> been forwarded to me.
>>
>> I am off duty today, so please forgive the message
>> being sent from my
>> home e-mail.
>>
>> Somehow the link to the web log did not make it to
>> me. So please
>> forward the link to me and I will have a look at it.
>> I will be on duty
>> for a 24-hour shift starting tomorrow morning at
>> about 0800. But if
>> you get the message tonight, please forward to this
>> account. I'm a
>> late bird and a bit of a work-a-holic, so I'll
>> probably start on it
>> tonight.
>>
>> I am currently working a lead on this Jane DOE case
>> from 1979 and am
>> having DNA comparisons done with a family in
>> Indiana. So I have had
>> the file out recently and it is all fresh in my
>> mind.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Darrell Harris,
>> Coroner's Investigator
>> County of Marin

This is the second one, received about 30 minutes ago:

Well, I agree that the older photo of Rose is similar to the forensic
sculpture.

You should know that the bust has been re-done and looks slightly
different now. The sculpting was done a handful of years ago when Jane
Doe's body was exhumed. The skull had cracked in several places and
suffered water damage as well. THe skull was taken to SFSU's
anthropology department for assistance in rebuilding it. The area from
the upper bridge of the nose down to the maxilla were very bad and I
believe that they were approximated on the sculpting, so I don't know
how accurate it really is. I called the sculptor at home tonight and
she will also look at the photos.

Rose was about 23 years old in 1979 - Jane Doe was placed between 16 &
19, about 5'3" tall and 125 pounds. She had very light brown hair and
blue eyes. No scars, marks or tattoos were uncovered during the
examination.

We do have dental on file and fingerprints. Did Rose have driver's
license or arrest record? If so, her old file can be pulled at the DMV
or local PD and the thumb print compared. Your family would need to
seek authorization for that, as we can't say for sure she is deceased,
therefor we have no legal jurisdiction (w/ DMV, but if you have old
arrest info we can contact that agency). I would also suggest that
your family try to track down or recall dental records / attributes.
Jane Doe had a significant overbite, although her teeth appeared fairly
straight. There were fillings in the molars on both sides of the jaw.

If your family hasn't already, I would suggest they file a missing
persons report. DNA can be collected from living relatives on her
mother's side. Jane Doe has DNA on file with the CA DOJ (CODIS) -so if
a DNA profile was added to the system down the road, it could
conceivably hit on a Jane Doe anywhere in the country.

I'm sorry to respond to your plead for assistance with a homework
assignment, but this is how I would suggest we proceed. My gut feeling
is that this not her, based on a few factors: Age, dark-dark brown
hair, no obvious roll of the lower lip indicating significant overbite
(Jane Doe's photo has an obvious protrusion of the lower lip due to the
dental problems). I strongly believe that our Jane Doe is much younger
that the estimated age range of 16 to 19.

I will send a copy of this e-mail and another with the photo's you
sent to the sculptor that created the bust.

Get back to me with the above suggestions and we'll go from there.

Respectfully,

Darrell Harris,
Coroner's Investigator
County of Marin

 

[gardenmom]

This guy sounds like a gem. Even if this is not Rose I am happy he has the job he does. It sounds like he really cares.

 

[itsreenw]

I dunno where my head is at lately, but I just saw a flash of a news clip about a murder in Oaklabd and I said "oh there's Uncle Derb". Then I realized this case is based in Oakland...where my uncle-in-law is a homicide detective-DUH!!! Seriously though, I'm getting a little concerned. Simple things like that are getting past me-how could I NOT think of that??

I'll get in touch with Uncle Derb tomorrow and see if he can refer me to someone in OPD that can help us.

 

[PonderingThings]

Darrell Harris, the Coroner's Investigator is AWESOME!

 

[christine2448]

If your family hasn't already, I would suggest they file a missing persons report. DNA can be collected from living relatives on her
mother's side. Jane Doe has DNA on file with the CA DOJ (CODIS) -so if
a DNA profile was added to the system down the road, it could
conceivably hit on a Jane Doe anywhere in the country.

I hadn't thought of this, HOT, you should tell SIL this information, if they have their DNA on file it could hit a Jane Doe somewhere in the country, is there a way to do a search? Like searching for fingerprints? I wish I had time for more research.

...this is good news. I am amazed at the time and energy this man put into his response, kudos to him. :clap: :clap: :clap: Now.....could there be another Jane Doe he knows of that WOULD fit Rose? She could possibly have been found in 'his' area if she is deceased? What is the likelyhood of that scenario, if she was deceased she could be in his juristiction sp (rushing ya'll forgive the typos please)?

 

[Shadow205]

I am very impressed with how quick Darrell Harris looked into the possibility of a match. We could use more investigators like him around the country!

I am confused about him saying that the Jane Doe was placed between
16 & 19

according to information at the doenetwork:


Vital Statistics

• Estimated age: 18 - 22 years old (1957-1961)

so which one is right?

 

[christine2448]

I am very impressed with how quick Darrell Harris looked into the possibility of a match. We could use more investigators like him around the country!

I am confused about him saying that the Jane Doe was placed between
16 & 19

according to information at the doenetwork:


Vital Statistics

• Estimated age: 18 - 22 years old (1957-1961)

so which one is right?

Yeah, and his opinion is even younger than she is listed:

He says....I strongly believe that our Jane Doe is much younger
that the estimated age range of 16 to 19.

You are right about needing more of the likes of him around....what a great job and the information he provided, amazing...I'd like to find out who this Jane Doe he has is, if not Rose, which doesn't seem to be...another case to work on for us WSer's?

 

[HeartofTexas]

Like all of you, I am incredibly impressed with Darrell Harris. I hated to put any of my own words in my post last night because I wanted his words to be the ones seen. My hat is off to him not only for his thoroughness and dedication to the job but for doing all of the above on his OWN time (while at home).

To update everyone, the SIL will be calling him at 8:00 this morning his time (probably 11:00 a.m. her time). I'll be gone during that timeframe but will report back to everyone with any updates I get.

Itsreenw, that's great that you have a relative with the Oakland PD... that could be a vast source of info for us!

I hadn't thought of this, HOT, you should tell SIL this information,

Christine, she sent the information TO ME, so I don't need to tell her. LOL! From what I can tell, she's very on top of everything. She's been an unbelievable liaison, and I feel so lucky to have her working with us and answering our questions.

 

[christine2448]

I had only seen in early posts the one 'bust' posted compared to Roses' picture, I'd like to post all the busts done on the talked about Jane Doe for everyone to compare to the other pictures (the fact that they have DNA and that is being looked into, I would think we will soon know whether she is ruled out.....however, the thing that scares me, I recently read in another thread, that they are now discovering that different parts of the body may hold distinctivly different DNA patterns, see this thread, unrelated to this case: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37965 )

This is the picture we have of Rose

These were done by Gloria Nusse

These were done by NCMEC

I believe these were done by Arne Svensen

 

[Shadow205]

Christine,

Thanks for posting those all together. You know, the 2 done by NCMEC don't even look like the same person. The black & white by Arne Svenson is the one that I think looks so much like Rose. His work is amazing. I thought about sending him Rose's picture just to see what he thought about the likeness. I found an email address for him at a gallery in New York. He actually takes the sculptures and then photographs them using different lighting and other techniques to add "life" to them. Pretty awesome if you ask me.

 

[PonderingThings]

Have any of you considered this Jane Doe?
http://doenetwork.us/cases/169ufpa.html

Estimated birth year is in the range, Jane Doe was found in December 1976 in PA (which is closer to Michigan than CA). Don't know about the other stats on Rose though....

 

[christine2448]

Have any of you considered this Jane Doe?
http://doenetwork.us/cases/169ufpa.html

Estimated birth year is in the range, Jane Doe was found in December 1976 in PA (which is closer to Michigan than CA). Don't know about the other stats on Rose though....

Good work, we should all check this out. Thanks Pondering!

 

[gardenmom]

Have any of you considered this Jane Doe?
http://doenetwork.us/cases/169ufpa.html

Estimated birth year is in the range, Jane Doe was found in December 1976 in PA (which is closer to Michigan than CA). Don't know about the other stats on Rose though....

I remember reading about this Doe before. It is the most disturbing murder I have ever heard of. I hope it's NOT Rose.

BTW, I am so excited and impressed by what is transpiring here. To Rose's family, thank God you have been sent here. I hope we can help.

 

[christine2448]

I dunno where my head is at lately, but I just saw a flash of a news clip about a murder in Oaklabd and I said "oh there's Uncle Derb". Then I realized this case is based in Oakland...where my uncle-in-law is a homicide detective-DUH!!! Seriously though, I'm getting a little concerned. Simple things like that are getting past me-how could I NOT think of that??

I'll get in touch with Uncle Derb tomorrow and see if he can refer me to someone in OPD that can help us.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: Nice to have these kinda connections, even in other cases...having a connection to anyone in LE is a help..thanks for letting us know itsreenw

 

[d.o.a. cop]

Thanks to all who have become involved in this case, and thanks for the kind words.

I thought you might like to know that the scultpure of Jane Doe was done by Gloria Nusse. The man named Arne Svensen took the black and white photo - he did not do the sculpture.

Gloria is a talented woman. I referred her to the Alameda County Coroner's Office last year to do a rendering of Jane Doe out of Castro Valley - a case I was involved in before I left ACSO for the Marin Coroner's Office. I'm sure there's a blog on that case in this website. 48-hours did a piece on that case earlier this year.

Gloria has a nice little website: http://www.clayandbones.com/

Thanks again,

Darrell Harris,
Coroner's Investigator

 

[christine2448]

Thanks to all who have become involved in this case, and thanks for the kind words.

I thought you might like to know that the scultpure of Jane Doe was done by Gloria Nusse. The man named Arne Svensen took the black and white photo - he did not do the sculpture.

Gloria is a talented woman. I referred her to the Alameda County Coroner's Office last year to do a rendering of Jane Doe out of Castro Valley - a case I was involved in before I left ACSO for the Marin Coroner's Office. I'm sure there's a blog on that case in this website. 48-hours did a piece on that case earlier this year.

Gloria has a nice little website: http://www.clayandbones.com/

Thanks again,

Darrell Harris,
Coroner's Investigator

Welcome to WS Mr. Harris! Thank you from all of us for the hard work and dedication you give to your job. Glad you have come to join us.

Thank you for the link for Gloria's site, maybe shadow can contact her instead to compare the photo to the bust, get her thoughts. Thanks for clarifying the information about the busts, I musta misunderstood who did what.

 

[HeartofTexas]

Wow, Mr. Harris posted here while I was gone! I am so glad to welcome you here, Mr. Harris! I hope you were able to read some of the many compliments you've received from some of our posters who, like me, are so impressed with your dedication to your job. As a matter of fact, I came here just now to post an article about you!

This is a 2005 article that talks about how Mr. Harris solved a 1983 case of a man who fell into the surf in Monterey.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/14/MNG77C85QH1.DTL

 

[PonderingThings]

Wow! Excellent article about Mr. Harris! Good job (again!)

 

[MagicRose99]

Wow... all I can say is that this story brought tears to my eyes. Mr. Harris is, indeed, a very special man.

Wow, Mr. Harris posted here while I was gone! I am so glad to welcome you here, Mr. Harris! I hope you were able to read some of the many compliments you've received from some of our posters who, like me, are so impressed with your dedication to your job. As a matter of fact, I came here just now to post an article about you!

This is a 2005 article that talks about how Mr. Harris solved a 1983 case of a man who fell into the surf in Monterey.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/04/14/MNG77C85QH1.DTL