CA CA - Rose Cole, 16, Oakland, 1972 - #1

[julieL]

At the Synanon website(or I should say where you resgister to enter the website) I saw this and thought it peculiar:

First name(s) you used when you were in Synanon:

Last name(s) you used when you were in Synanon:

Did some people change there names upon entering synanon?
I just thought the wording is strange.

I posted this earlier but we were posting so fast that I think that it got lost in the shuffle. Julie, could you please answer this one last question. I promise no more tonight from me.


http://www.synanon.org/Synanon/MemberApply3.cfm

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Remember many people were in Synanon in the 60s and 70s. Many changed their name through marriage, legal adoption ,whatever. I for example often used my stepdad's last name so I appaer on that database under both my real last name and my step dad;d last name and now my current name so ex-memmbers could search and find me there. Anyway that is why the wording. My hands are getting tired and Ican't feel them due to this darn neuro disease. so I will sign off for the night......

 

[HeartofTexas]

Julie, when you're feeling better and return to WS, here's the thread we've started for the MS research. Like I said, give us a starting point, or a direction to go in, and I feel certain we can offer some help.

This thread is located in the Jury Room, which is towards the bottom of the index page. Hopefully you can just click on this and it will take you there, but I'm not too whizzy at this stuff!

MS (Multiple Sclerosis) Research Thread

 

[Shadow205]

Julie,

Thanks for answering the question about the names. I can understand why someone would need to know what a females maiden name was or in your case your stepfathers name in order to contact you now. What I didn't understand was why it asked for first name(s) used while at Synanon.

 

[julieL]

Julie,

Thanks for answering the question about the names. I can understand why someone would need to know what a females maiden name was or in your case your stepfathers name in order to contact you now. What I didn't understand was why it asked for first name(s) used while at Synanon.

Many people used nicknames or were known by their middle name and that sort of thing. We have peoople in our database with two different first names (usually a nick or middle) and often 2 or 3 or for our many married women , 4 or 5 last names.

 

[Shadow205]

Julie,

Last night we were so anxious to ask you questions that we were firing them at you pretty fast. We may have confused you with our questions about the two little girls that we posted pictures of. The first picture that I posted, the girl having her hair blow dried, was taken from the Synanon museum web site. The 2nd was of Anna Christian Waters who has been missing since 1973. I think the 2 little girls look very much like and that they could be one in the same. I will post the pictures together so that you can see the likeness. Anna's story can be read at this thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=104



Sorry if I confused you last night.

 

[julieL]

Julie,

Last night we were so anxious to ask you questions that we were firing them at you pretty fast. We may have confused you with our questions about the two little girls that we posted pictures of. The first picture that I posted, the girl having her hair blow dried, was taken from the Synanon museum web site. The 2nd was of Anna Christian Waters who has been missing since 1973. I think the 2 little girls look very much like and that they could be one in the same. I will post the pictures together so that you can see the likeness. Anna's story can be read at this thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=104



Sorry if I confused you last night.

Lots of little girls with blonde hair look the same. That little girl has a diffferent first and last name. My mom knows her parents. They married in Synanonn and had this child in 73, born on the Synanon property. Not the same person as you are looking for. Can't see how that is possible based on what you are telling me. I'm trying to honnor protection of people;s names of former synanon members so wil not divulge information but this can't possibly be the same people.

 

[HeartofTexas]

DOA Cop (Darrell), if you have a minute today, could you answer a question for me on another case? Can a body buried in August (hot, humid) decompose in just 6 short weeks, or does it take longer to decompose. The man I'm talking about said the body was reduced to just bones in 6 weeks, and then it was dug up and moved to another location. Is that possible?

Thanks.

 

[julieL]

Christine, just to make sure it's not missed (because things are moving very quickly tonight), I'm reposting your request:


Julie, I'm a decent researcher... some of the others are phenomenal.... but I'm dogged and tenacious, so that makes up for some of it. But, if you will tell me what areas you need research done in, or map out a plan for us, I think we could all pitch in and help. I'd be more than glad to do anything I can.

I posted some info to the MS link that you put in the jury room. thanks

 

[ladyhawk]

I found this site that may have some information we are looking for http://content.cdlib.org/view?docId=tf9k4009h9&query=rose&brand=default&submit.x=8&submit.y=22
The collection does not circulate. It is available for use in the Ahmanson-Murphy Reading Room by readers holding valid UCLA Library Cards.

Have a nice Easter everyone.
Debbie

 

[HeartofTexas]

Great find, Debbie! It appears that the 564+ boxes of Syanon-related information (from 1956 to 1987) is stored in Los Angeles and can be viewed by appointment. No copies can be made but notes can be taken.
A copy of the original version of this online finding aid is available at the UCLA Department of Special Collections for in-house consultation and may be obtained for a fee. Please contact:

• Public Services Division
• UCLA Library, Department of Special Collections
• Room A1713, Charles E. Young Research Library
• Box 951575
• Los Angeles, CA 90095-1575
• Telephone: 310/825-4988 (10:00 a.m. - 4:45 p.m., Pacific Time)
• Email: [email protected]

 

[julieL]

Great find, Debbie! It appears that the 564+ boxes of Syanon-related information (from 1956 to 1987) is stored in Los Angeles and can be viewed by appointment. No copies can be made but notes can be taken.
A copy of the original version of this online finding aid is available at the UCLA Department of Special Collections for in-house consultation and may be obtained for a fee. Please contact:

• Public Services Division
• UCLA Library, Department of Special Collections
• Room A1713, Charles E. Young Research Library
• Box 951575
• Los Angeles, CA 90095-1575
• Telephone: 310/825-4988 (10:00 a.m. - 4:45 p.m., Pacific Time)
• Email: [email protected]

you will find various legal documents concerning various legal fights esp associated with the loss of the nonn-profit status which was their eventual downfall.

This will not help you find Ms.Rose who had left by 1973, a prime time when many younger and older teens were being probated to Synanon and then left. We nneed to figure out where she went next, postmark of where she went, anyone that called after looking for her etc. More than 50 children were coming in on synanon buses to Tomles daily by 73. Most had left within months. Forgotton immediately.

Do you want to investigate what happened to Synanon or what happened to Rose Cole after she left this place? I'm new and no tone intended but just want you all to please consider what I am saying regarding the very high rate of quick depatures from Synanon at that time.

 

[HeartofTexas]

True... we're more interested in finding Rose than legal documents on Synanon. I had no idea there were 50 a day coming in on the bus in '73.

As far as I know, there was no envelope found with her last letter (which was written on 12-23-72 but not mailed until Feb. '73 when she finally got a stamp), so we don't know where she was when it was mailed. That's the problem with Rose's case... we don't know anything. She went into Synaon, ran away, wrote her last letter and we don't know where she's been in the intervening 33 years.

 

[christine2448]

Do you want to investigate what happened to Synanon or what happened to Rose Cole after she left this place? I'm new and no tone intended but just want you all to please consider what I am saying regarding the very high rate of quick depatures from Synanon at that time.

Yes, Julie, the interesting stuff about SYnanon was findout out if anyone there may know where she went, or remembers exactly when she left.

We need to find out where she went after Syanon, where she ran away to, that was our hopes in contacting ex members.

In her letters, you can see in earlier posts, she said they are taking good care of her, and mentions living with people who think she is 19...who/where....that is what I'd like to know, then what? Where is she now? Is this Jane Doe her?

 

[gardenmom]

What steps are being taken at this time regarding DNA from Rose's relatives so that it can be put in a data base?

 

[HeartofTexas]

Isabela is following the instructions of DOA Cop (Darrell Harris) with regards to what she needs to be doing re DNA.

 

[Shadow205]

OK, here is something that has been bugging me. Rose was sent to Synanon by the Court. Synanon, by accepting her(and other court ordered kids), accepted responsiblity for her as far as for her welfare,care ect. Now my question is, when Rose ran away, did Synanon notify the court that she was gone?

This puts the imprtance of gaining access to Rose's court records but to the top of the priority list IMO.

1. We need to see if there was any communication between Synanon and the Courts.

2. Was Rose at that hearing where the charges were dismissed or not?

I think that d.o.a.cop was trying to get some info from the Court sytem.

 

[HeartofTexas]

Excellent point, Shadow. You would think that Synanon would have responsibility for these minor children and would have the burden of notifying the Court system of her disappearance or run-away status.

Perhaps Julie could tell us if she heard of anything like this being done by Synanon when a person departed the drug rehab program.

 

[gardenmom]

Something keeps bothering me about the dad. I feel like we are missing a big piece of the family dynamics. Why did Rose run away? Does Claire remember Rose being espeically unhappy about something? Was she physically abused? Any other family memebers physically abused? Could it be possible her dad was sexually abusing her? I hate to ask, but there may have been a reason for her to stay away. Her dad had these letters, but it sounded like at least one was written to her step mom. Did she know about these letters before the dad's death? Could he have intercepted them? We don't know if he wrote to her. Maybe he had an address for her and told her never to come back. I feel like the answer to where Rose is died with the dad. Something with him just isn't right. Why didn't he want Rose at the home? I also find it extrememly odd to send a young girl all the way across country to rehabilitate her. Wasn't there any place closer? My half brother ended up in a similar place for juvenile delinquents, spent several years there, but it was near home. How can we find out if it was common practice to send drug users/run aways from Michigan to California?

 

[julieL]

Yes, Julie, the interesting stuff about SYnanon was findout out if anyone there may know where she went, or remembers exactly when she left.

We need to find out where she went after Syanon, where she ran away to, that was our hopes in contacting ex members.

In her letters, you can see in earlier posts, she said they are taking good care of her, and mentions living with people who think she is 19...who/where....that is what I'd like to know, then what? Where is she now? Is this Jane Doe her?

We have a message on the synanon site asking former members for more information about when she left, with whom she left,etc but there has been no response. A few people remember her physical features etc but no one remembers more than that

 

[julieL]

Excellent point, Shadow. You would think that Synanon would have responsibility for these minor children and would have the burden of notifying the Court system of her disappearance or run-away status.

Perhaps Julie could tell us if she heard of anything like this being done by Synanon when a person departed the drug rehab program.

I have always wondered about that because quite a few people; (children, teens, and adults) were being probated to synanon at that time (and there were many studies and observations going on at the same time where people in the judicial system and psychs for example would observe our schools, basic training, and other programs. Also the Hustlers who were all over the country getting donations of food, clothes, money ,etc were actively putting out the word that Synanon was avalable to accept problem children and adults. Some probated through the courts. Many others put there by their parents. I will ask some more questions re did synanon notify courts once people left. always wondered about that myself. even for the adults.