CA CA - Santa Cruz, WhtFem UP14003 50-65, Oct 1969, Washed up On Shore *Graphic Postmortem*

[madamx]

The Lost & The Found

Case #14003
View on NamUs
Date found Oct. 17, 1969
Age 50 to 65 years old
Sex Female
Race White
Ethnicity Unsure
Circumstances The body washed up on the beach near Lighthouse point in Santa Cruz, CA.
The body was of a 50-65 white female with light complexion, short gray hair (2-2 1/2 inches), with brown or Hazel eyes.
The body was nude when located with no clothing found around the body.
There were no scars, marks or tattoos, but apparent injection marks on left arm and hip.

Body condition Recognizable face
Post-mortem interval 2 days

Estimated age Adult
Weight 160 lbs
Height 64 inches
Hair color Gray or Partially Gray
Head hair 2 to 2 1/2 inches in length


Left eye color Hazel
Right eye color Hazel
Eye description Hazel or brown in color


Unidentified Person Case

 

[Bit of hope]

This woman supposed to have black hair, (could it have been partially gray?) but There could be a huge gap in time (and memory) from the time she went missing (January 1969) and was listed as missing in Namus (2009) Could it be Questa Leone Burns. No picture available. Missing Person Case

Tried to find more about her and found this. Could this be her? Age fits approx.

THOMAS B BURNS SR married QUESTA LEONE FRAETIS in St Paul MN in 1946. QUESTA was born in Southgate, CA in 1921. Little is known of her family except for her mother, EDITH M PITT FRAETIS BRADFORD and her only brother, ELDEN "RED" FRAETIS.
Info from this website THOMAS BURNS 1761 Pg. 1 of 2

Also this gives more of a background. Questa Burns

It's possible that she was alive in 2002, but it's hard to be sure. Then of course this UID isn't her.

It's a five hours drive, but Santa Cruz and Southgate are both near the sea. Could the current brought her from Southgate to Santa Cruz?

 

[madamx]

This woman supposed to have black hair, (could it have been partially gray?) but There could be a huge gap in time (and memory) from the time she went missing (January 1969) and was listed as missing in Namus (2009) Could it be Questa Leone Burns. No picture available. Missing Person Case

Tried to find more about her and found this. Could this be her? Age fits approx.

THOMAS B BURNS SR married QUESTA LEONE FRAETIS in St Paul MN in 1946. QUESTA was born in Southgate, CA in 1921. Little is known of her family except for her mother, EDITH M PITT FRAETIS BRADFORD and her only brother, ELDEN "RED" FRAETIS.
Info from this website THOMAS BURNS 1761 Pg. 1 of 2

Also this gives more of a background. Questa Burns

It's possible that she was alive in 2002, but it's hard to be sure. Then of course this UID isn't her.

It's a five hours drive, but Santa Cruz and Southgate are both near the sea. Could the current brought her from Southgate to Santa Cruz?

Wow Bitofhope that is a good find!

 

[Bit of hope]

Bumping.....what's next....

 

[madamx]

I found this woman she went missing in 1960... but the stats seem the same.

Date last seen Aug. 2, 1960
Age last seen 38 years old
Sex Female
Race White
Ethnicity Unsure
Nickname/Alias Patricia
Circumstances: Patrick was last seen in Vacaville, CA
Location

City last seen Vacaville
County last seen Solano
State last seen California

Weight 165 to 165 lbs
Height 64 to 64 inches
Hair color Gray or Partially Gray
Left eye color Blue
Right eye color Blue

Car 1960 Gray Rambler Ambassador Wagon
License plates California
Vehicle details Lt. Grey Nash Rambler, SZE 663


The Lost & The Found

 

[Bit of hope]

I wonder where the injection marks on left arm and hip are from...insulin, drugs? Does somebody know when/why people inject in the hip?

 

[digitective]

I wonder where the injection marks on left arm and hip are from...insulin, drugs? Does somebody know when/why people inject in the hip?

I would assume drugs (e.g. heroin), since there were marks both on the arm and hip.

 

[digitective]

Thoughts on Faun Moulton Moon? The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Her photo looks like it was taken at a much younger age than when she disappeared at age 50 but her nose shape looks similar to Jane Doe's.

 

[Bit of hope]

Thoughts on Faun Moulton Moon? The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Her photo looks like it was taken at a much younger age than when she disappeared at age 50 but her nose shape looks similar to Jane Doe's.

Faun seems to have a scar on her abdomen, so I don't think it's her.

 

[YaYa_521]

The Doe Network: Case File 1264DFWA

Could someone please make a visual comparison of Margaret to Jane Doe? She was an "extreme alcoholic" who disappeared from Washington state in 1962. She has ties to Nevada having lived there some years before she went missing. I wonder if she somehow made her way to CA then ended up diagnosed with diabetes or hooked on heroin? I find her forehead, nose and the space between her eyes resemble JD's features.

 

[YaYa_521]

I found this woman she went missing in 1960... but the stats seem the same.

Date last seen Aug. 2, 1960
Age last seen 38 years old
Sex Female
Race White
Ethnicity Unsure
Nickname/Alias Patricia
Circumstances: Patrick was last seen in Vacaville, CA
Location

City last seen Vacaville
County last seen Solano
State last seen California

Weight 165 to 165 lbs
Height 64 to 64 inches
Hair color Gray or Partially Gray
Left eye color Blue
Right eye color Blue

Car 1960 Gray Rambler Ambassador Wagon
License plates California
Vehicle details Lt. Grey Nash Rambler, SZE 663


The Lost & The Found

Have you considered submitting Patricia? This is a poor quality pic, but imo her forehead and nose look similar to Jane Doe.

 

[YaYa_521]

This woman supposed to have black hair, (could it have been partially gray?) but There could be a huge gap in time (and memory) from the time she went missing (January 1969) and was listed as missing in Namus (2009) Could it be Questa Leone Burns. No picture available. Missing Person Case

Tried to find more about her and found this. Could this be her? Age fits approx.

THOMAS B BURNS SR married QUESTA LEONE FRAETIS in St Paul MN in 1946. QUESTA was born in Southgate, CA in 1921. Little is known of her family except for her mother, EDITH M PITT FRAETIS BRADFORD and her only brother, ELDEN "RED" FRAETIS.
Info from this website THOMAS BURNS 1761 Pg. 1 of 2

Also this gives more of a background. Questa Burns

It's possible that she was alive in 2002, but it's hard to be sure. Then of course this UID isn't her.

It's a five hours drive, but Santa Cruz and Southgate are both near the sea. Could the current brought her from Southgate to Santa Cruz?

Questa doesn't have a pic but the stats and circumstances make her a good PM, imo.

 

[Bit of hope]

I wonder where the injection marks on left arm and hip are from...insulin, drugs? Does somebody know when/why people inject in the hip?

I found this woman she went missing in 1960... but the stats seem the same.

Date last seen Aug. 2, 1960
Age last seen 38 years old
Sex Female
Race White
Ethnicity Unsure
Nickname/Alias Patricia
Circumstances: Patrick was last seen in Vacaville, CA
Location

City last seen Vacaville
County last seen Solano
State last seen California

Weight 165 to 165 lbs
Height 64 to 64 inches
Hair color Gray or Partially Gray
Left eye color Blue
Right eye color Blue

Car 1960 Gray Rambler Ambassador Wagon
License plates California
Vehicle details Lt. Grey Nash Rambler, SZE 663


The Lost & The Found

I still think the lost & the found site was a good initiative. I liked how it operated and sometimes I use it still, they have the identifiers in it. A petty it didn't made it.

 

[Bit of hope]

The Doe Network: Case File 1264DFWA

Could someone please make a visual comparison of Margaret to Jane Doe? She was an "extreme alcoholic" who disappeared from Washington state in 1962. She has ties to Nevada having lived there some years before she went missing. I wonder if she somehow made her way to CA then ended up diagnosed with diabetes or hooked on heroin? I find her forehead, nose and the space between her eyes resemble JD's features.

Jane Doe has a very prominent nose, Margaret seems to have that too, but there is light spot on her nose that takes away the contours partly. JD's upper lip is thinner (that happens if you get older) M has the same effect. Nose and lips ratio are quite the same. M's eyes and eyebrows seem different to me, more round, compact. It's all very hard to see. I couldn't find another picture of her. Margaret is in Namus, nothing on the identifiers in the Doe Network file, so that's a question mark.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Margaret would be on the younger site of the age range (49 yrs in 1969) No reason to rule her out on that. She had dark brown hair (curly not stated, could be a perm) I'm not sure how quickly one can get gray. A period of 7 years went by, so I guess that's possible.

 

[Bit of hope]

Questa doesn't have a pic but the stats and circumstances make her a good PM, imo.

I found this on Questa. I don't understand how I could have missed that when I came up with her.

Questa Burns
In 2002, one of Questa’s family members got lucky. She spoke with someone at the Social Security Administration, who confirmed that Questa was still living. (How often does THAT happen?) They obviously wouldn’t give her any other details. She would have been 81 years old at that time – so now she’d be 91-92. I’d say the chances of her still being alive have diminished some since 2002, although it’s very possible that she could be.

 

[madamx]

Bumping

 

[DS2021]

Bump

 

[carbuff]

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The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

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www.namus.gov

 

[branmuffin]

The image of the UID shows someone who appears much older than the age parameters listed. She definitely looks like she could be in her late 70s. I'm concerned about her being completely nude. She had injection sites on her hip and arm. That doesn't sound like drug addiction to me. It sounds like she may have been under a doctor's care and had injections in her hip for pain relief associated with osteoarthritis or other types of degenerative conditions. Is it possible she was in some sort of care facility?

 

[carbuff]

It's not uncommon for drowning victims to be stripped of all or most of their clothing by the action of the water, especially if they were wearing loose clothing.