CA CA - Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Murders, 7 girls/young women, 1972-1973

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I prefer detective work and leave lawyering to lawyers.

Zodiac investigators cleared the owner of the PO BOX for the keys Xeroxed in the Eureka mailing attachment. So they took it seriously enough as a Zodiac communication. I will also since they did.

A possible link between the Zodiac and the SRHMs is as old as the SRHMs which is evident from reading newspaper reports at the time. You might not like that but it's a historical part of the case and I have read nothing that has formally dismissed it.

Since Susan Dye is still unsolved, someone brought up the question elsewhere and I decided to ask here. BTW, the article didn't say she has been eliminated as an SRHM candidate, only that they couldn't find a connection.


Nothing wrong with pointing out that Susan Dye is possibly associated with Eureka and we have associations with there and the Zodiac case.
I never thought in the past that Zodiac in a million years could be related to the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders. Over time, I've become almost completely convinced that he's involved with them in some very substantial way.

jmo, Zodiac was married, employed, probably in academia with a strong interest in music/theater, and is likely still alive. He is possibly first-generation American, grew up and remained in the California area for all/most of his life, and quite possibly has some kind of ties to vineyards in the Sonoma country. I do not think Zodiac was bluffing about using disguises, I think he really used them, and they were very good ones.

But if Zodiac IS involved with SRHM, he must have worked at least to some extent with at least one individual, as two men were spotted with Lori Kursa. Was Lori's case an anomaly from the others? They do speculate she jumped from the van to escape her attackers, is that the only reason she ended up in this particular location and it's part of a bizarre coincidence?

I can't picture Zodiac playing nicely with ANY other individual who was aware of his true nature, but... maybe he did. And maybe the partner in crime was aware only of the SRHM and not the Zodiac murders. Or maybe Zodiac was one of multiple killers using this site as a dumping grounds. Or/and maybe Lori's case really was pure coincidence in terms of where her remains were found, and perhaps once that set of killers got away with using that site at all, they used it again.

Lots of unknowns, but I've become convinced Zodiac played a role in the SRHM. Would strongly think he was involved with Carolyn Davis's murder. Historically, strychnine has been used on vineyards to control gophers and voles, and for some time I've suspected a vineyard tie somewhere with Zodiac.
 
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  • #222
I never thought in the past that Zodiac in a million years could be related to the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker murders. Over time, I've become almost completely convinced that he's involved with them in some very substantial way.

jmo, Zodiac was married, employed, probably in academia with a strong interest in music/theater, and is likely still alive. He is possibly first-generation American, grew up and remained in the California area for all/most of his life, and quite possibly has some kind of ties to vineyards in the Sonoma country. I do not think Zodiac was bluffing about using disguises, I think he really used them, and they were very good ones.

But if Zodiac IS involved with SRHM, he must have worked at least to some extent with at least one individual, as two men were spotted with Lori Kursa. Was Lori's case an anomaly from the others? They do speculate she jumped from the van to escape her attackers, is that the only reason she ended up in this particular location and it's part of a bizarre coincidence?

I can't picture Zodiac playing nicely with ANY other individual who was aware of his true nature, but... maybe he did. And maybe the partner in crime was aware only of the SRHM and not the Zodiac murders. Or maybe Zodiac was one of multiple killers using this site as a dumping grounds. Or/and maybe Lori's case really was pure coincidence in terms of where her remains were found, and perhaps once that set of killers got away with using that site at all, they used it again.

Lots of unknowns, but I've become convinced Zodiac played a role in the SRHM. Would strongly think he was involved with Carolyn Davis's murder. Historically, strychnine has been used on vineyards to control gophers and voles, and for some time I've suspected a vineyard tie somewhere with Zodiac.
Interesting. Zodiac is a weird one because he seems to feed off attention, and you would think that he would really like to strike the fear that he is still around. Makes you wonder was Zodiac 2 people? Maybe brothers?
 
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Interesting. Zodiac is a weird one because he seems to feed off attention, and you would think that he would really like to strike the fear that he is still around. Makes you wonder was Zodiac 2 people? Maybe brothers?
Totally agreed, and I wonder if he isn't lurking around in these forums, too, if he;'s still alive (which is incredibly creepy).

It's kinda wild because I know all along, they were saying Zodiac was part of SRHMurders. I'm like no way. And over the years, that's kind of dissipated, I don't hear it too much anymore. Now, I believe it, though, ironically.

I could picture brothers, high school buds, yep.
 
  • #224
There are several striking features of the Santa Rosa Hitchhiker cases that link them. First is the similarity between the murderer's victims. His named victims were known hitchhikers and/or were hitchhiking when they became victims.Victims being considered in this analysis are:

Maureen Sterling (age 12) and Yvonne Lisa Weber (13)
Kim Wendy Allen (19)
Lori Lee Kursa (13)
Carolyn Nadine Davis (14)
Theresa Diane Walsh (23)
Calistoga Jane Doe (about 19)
Kerry Graham (15) and Francine Trimble(14)
* Jeannette Kamahele (19): not considered due to paucity of information

All of the Santa Rosa Hitchhike victims were Caucasian or Hispanic females; none were African-American or Asian. Eight of his victims were teenage girls. A ninth was 23 years old, but appeared much younger. All nine victims were physically unprepossessing, being typically 5 feet 6 inches tall or shorter, and weighing about 125 pounds or less. None of the victims had been murdered where they were found; the actual murder location(s) are unknown. The victims' bodies were pretty well cleansed of potential clues.

In those cases where cause of death could be determined, it was gratuitously cruel. In three cases, the victim was hogtied in such fashion that they throttled themselves to death when excruciating pain forced them to relax their legs. In another case, the victim was poisoned with strychnine—a viciously painful toxin. In the fifth case known, the victim was flung down an embankment with a broken neck and left to slowly die in the cold. His disposal method of flinging dead or dying girls down embankments indicates he was a physically powerful man. At one disposal site, he slipped over the edge of the bank while throwing a body. This leads me to believe he did not have a partner, based on the following line of reasoning. If one of a pair of murderers had slipped in mid-fling, the victim would have been pitched in a diagonal direction instead of directly downhill. As it was, the victim was found directly downhill from the slip marks. Thus, one assailant.

It becomes readily apparent that the murderer has a mortal grudge against teenage girls. I would surmise that he was pretty roundly rejected in the middle school and high school courting games and did not take it lightly. The cause of his rejection may have been readily apparent, such as a severe case of acne, birthmark, or other facial deformation. Otherwise, or in addition, he just may have seemed too “creepy” for the girls to want to date. At any rate, he developed a deadly rage against adolescent females because of rejection. This rejection may have lasted past his teens, given the common young male tendency to “date down” in age by two to five years.

Working off this thesis, the UNSUB is unlikely to have completed high school. Lack of education thus limits him to blue collar work and blue collar expectations. He is probably single and/or only tangentially involved with a significant other, who will be younger than he and will be subservient to him. If not living with family, he probably lives alone rather than with roommate(s). He may have grown facial hair to obscure his facial deformity. He will live an orderly and well planned life.

Because the Santa Rosa dump sites were so obscure, it seems likely that the perpetrator is very familiar with the Santa Rosa area. He is likely to live locally, as serial murderers tend to operate in environments well-known to them. He may have had a service, maintenance, or delivery job that took him into these lesser traveled roads. Such a job would have supplied him not only with an anonymous commercial vehicle for cover, but may have given him access to a garage or warehouse as a murder site. In addition to a company vehicle, such as a van or truck, he probably owned personal vehicles. If so, that vehicle was probably an older model, due to his finances, but kept in good shape and appearance. Expect it to be a “macho” vehicle, such as a sport pickup, muscle car, or full-size pickup truck.

I also note that two of the victim discoveries were by motorcyclists. These obscure roads used for his body dumps seem to be favorites for motorcycle excursions. Might the killer also be a biker?

The two victims dumped outside Willits were found down a bank in a location consistent with the Santa Rosa victim discoveries. The use of a turnout on a major highway would seem to mark a difference in the killer's modus operandi, until the state of Mendocino County's back roads is considered. “Outsiders” on Mendocino scarce back roads are usually noted, and distrusted, by the locals because of widespread marijuana cultivators watching for LE. (My personal experience doing census work there will verify that.)

The locations where the bodies were found are strikingly consistent. In all but one case, the victims were dumped down an embankment on an isolated road. The ninth victim was found in a creek downstream from such embankments. In all cases, the approach to any turnout used to discard the girls was along a winding road; at night, oncoming vehicle headlights would announce an intruder long before it arrived at the killer's chosen turnout. At any rate, the killer seems to have taken only the time necessary to hurl the dead or dying girls down the bank; there was no posing or other activity detected. He did not discard their clothing or other goods with them.

One peculiarity of the victims' remains was the presence/absence of earrings. Both pairs of victims were found with an earring on site. So was one of the lone victims. LE has previously posited that the earrings were left to signify the femininity of the victims. I have a complementary point of view.

It is a common signature for a serial killer to collect souvenirs from his victims. Instead of concentrating on the found earrings, let's look at the missing ones. In the cases above, comprising five victims, one of a pair of earrings is missing. In another case, the victim was found with wire loops but no earrings. A seventh victim had pierced ears but no earrings were found. An eighth was found with a hole in her right ear that may have held an earring. In only one case, there was no mention of earrings. To me, that points to a killer who collects earrings, and/or possibly other jewelry or feminine personal items, as trophies.

Given that serial killers almost always choose victims of their own race, the UNSUB will be a Caucasian male. He is very much a cunning and organized lust killer, and a sadistic one, as shown by his brutal methods of killing. His removal of his victims' clothing removes a host of clues, as well as humiliating the deceased and showing his contempt for them. He is very much a methodical and organized killer. His only error known at present is the dumping of pairs of victims together; splitting those pairs would have complicated the investigation still further.

The murderer is a control freak, as shown by his elaborate binding of his victims. Serial killers usually have 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 collections; his stash will skew strongly or entirely toward bondage and discipline. Don't be surprised if there is a Nazi motif in the 🤬🤬🤬🤬 collection. The UNSUB will be contemptuous of women in his personal and social life. Expect him to have a background of sexual offenses against minor girls.

As his known offenses began in 1972, the UNSUB will be in his late 60s or older if he is still living. He may be incarcerated, given his high probability of having sexually offended against teenage girls.


Any additions, corrections, or extensions of this offender profile are most welcome. This is strictly an amateur attempt, and could use professional input.
I like where you went with that.
Brainstorming ideas on UNSUB.
...Hog tying- where does one learn that?, How did he get control of his victims? Would all the girls have gone with a biker type? What type of guy seems most safe? Did the girls use any discrepancy or just go with first opportunity?
 
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I like where you went with that.
Brainstorming ideas on UNSUB.
...Hog tying- where does one learn that?, How did he get control of his victims? Would all the girls have gone with a biker type? What type of guy seems most safe? Did the girls use any discrepancy or just go with first opportunity?
I spoke with a close childhood friend of Maureen Sterling who was at the Redwood Skating Rink the night she and Yvonne disappeared in February 1972. Maureen was only 12, she would NOT have gotten into a car to hitchhike even with Yvonne if the guy seemed over 18 and wasn’t in high school. Yvonne had only turned 13 years old a week before too. But, I was told Maureen hung out with older friends, was smoking weed, and liked to flirt with boys. There had to have been more than one guy involved. Zodiac was much more attention seeking, sent endless letters, and wasn’t physical with victims. The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Killers sexually assaulted and tortured several of their victims via ligature strangulation. The MO’s don’t match at all. But I definitely agree with you, there was more than one guy involved!
 
  • #226
Interesting, how do you link James DeAngelo to this case? I'm of the mind that the group of six might be the work of a single individual not tied to other murders, whose name is not known, or LE had an idea but the name never went public.
Benoit, I think this was a duo previously unknown. I’m thinking along the same lines as you.
 
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I spoke with a close childhood friend of Maureen Sterling who was at the Redwood Skating Rink the night she and Yvonne disappeared in February 1972. Maureen was only 12, she would NOT have gotten into a car to hitchhike even with Yvonne if the guy seemed over 18 and wasn’t in high school. Yvonne had only turned 13 years old a week before too. But, I was told Maureen hung out with older friends, was smoking weed, and liked to flirt with boys. There had to have been more than one guy involved. Zodiac was much more attention seeking, sent endless letters, and wasn’t physical with victims. The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Killers sexually assaulted and tortured several of their victims via ligature strangulation. The MO’s don’t match at all. But I definitely agree with you, there was more than one guy involved!
The Zodiac killer changed his MO many times and he is intelligent enough to change things up to keep from getting caught. He shot some, stabbed others. Some were killed at night, and some in broad daylight. He hid his identity at times and did not at other times. We know he was highly intelligent, and we are talking over 50 years later, and are no closer to catching him. So could he be the SRHK? Absolutely......and possibly others we have not made a connection on.
 
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The above podcast and website is created by a good friend of mine - Michael Whelan. He’s producing my upcoming podcast ♥️
Yes, he is awesome. I have been listening to him from almost the beginning. His episodes on this case was one of the best I have heard.
 
  • #231
I was recently re-reading the Kim Allen thread - and noticed that there was no referral or reach out to @othram by any OP. I went back and read it again, just to be sure.

Then I came here and did the same thing. I also checked several of the other individual threads for the suspected 7 SRHM victims. I could find no posts reporting that any genetic genealogy testing is underway

I used the search feature to look for terms like: genetic genealogy, genetic testing, forensic genetic investigation, as well as for the names of some of the more well known of Investigative genetic genealogy companies.and labs. I have been unable to find out whether testing has been tried, or if it is perhaos currently underway. Have they at least done it on Jack Bokin (mentioned in this thread)?

Surely I've missed something, though, as these are very well known unsolved cold cases. Some people even think there might be a link between SRHM and the Zodiac crimes. It would be a HUGE solve. There just has to be some forensic genetic genealogy testing already underway, but I have so far found no evidence of it

Can you imagine possibly identifying SRHM and the Zodiac in one fell swoop of a forensic genetic genealogy effort by @othram (if it's one and the same person)?

I know it's not that simple, but I just wanted to be sure they were aware of this thread and the individual threads for each of the seven SRHM girls. In particular, I know there was DNA available in the Kim Allen case.

JMO and TIA
 

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