CA - School Shooting in San Bernardino

[mrsobrien]

My sweet smiling kindergartener just popped in to show me that she's able to tie her own shoes now. My tears of pride are mixed with sorrow. I am conflicted in my celebration

Jonathan Martinez was robbed of countless milestones today. Rest in peace, condolences to his family.

 

[LaneGirl]

I am disgusted that this piece of garbage was allowed to sign in and enter her classroom. I am definitely going to be asking who is allowed to enter my son's classroom when he starts school. I don't think spouses should be allowed.

Not only that apparently he has a record.

If he was "dropping" something off, the office should take it to her IMO.

Perhaps this should be policy for all schools and something good can come out of this for other students.

 

[Eloise]

Not only that apparently he has a record.

If he was "dropping" something off, the office should take it to her IMO.

Perhaps this should be policy for all schools and something good can come out of this for other students.

Yep. In my opinion, that he followed the procedure of signing himself in is meaningless - teacher's spouses have NO reason to EVER go to a classroom. If they need to see their spouse during school hours, they can do it at lunchtime, off-campus. Like at every job, frankly. Even more important given the privacy and safety issues of minor children being involved.

 

[LaborDayRN]

My sweet smiling kindergartener just popped in to show me that she's able to tie her own shoes now. My tears of pride are mixed with sorrow. I am conflicted in my celebration

Jonathan Martinez was robbed of countless milestones today. Rest in peace, condolences to his family.

(((((mrsobrien)))))) It's a sad day for many but please, enjoy your sweet little one. Your kindergartner deserves all of the celebration you can muster. Before you know it, she'll be grown. My baby turned 27 last month. Enjoy every moment.

 

[zencompass]

Saddens my heart.

Prayers for the victims and their loved ones.

Your community is in our thoughts tonight.



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[HMSHood]

I would not be surprised if Cedric Anderson is an injustice collector/grudge holder. Almost every school shooter/spree killer is an injustice collector.

Karen Elaine Smith was clearly targeted as a source of resentment.

 

[CARIIS]

At least 4 victims.


http://ktla.com/2017/04/10/multiple...-amid-report-of-active-shooter-officials-say/

Dear Tricia,

It is with much regret that we must ask you get WS2 and WS3 up and running. The world has gotten FY and more Ws is needed. TIA

This is out of control - what is the answer? There has been something like every day for the last 14 days .

There was one other wave when it was like this also.

Dig lots of ya but we are meeting too often

Pathetic

 

[Lilibet]

(I will protect my students to the end should one ever come in my classroom, knock on wood.)

My husband felt the same way. That's what teachers do! But I hope you never face that danger.

 

[Indy Anna]

Yep. In my opinion, that he followed the procedure of signing himself in is meaningless - teacher's spouses have NO reason to EVER go to a classroom. If they need to see their spouse during school hours, they can do it at lunchtime, off-campus. Like at every job, frankly. Even more important given the privacy and safety issues of minor children being involved.

ITA, he should never have been allowed to go to the classroom to begin with. I wonder if office staff realized Ms Smith and her husband were separated. If so, that would've been a huge red flag that something was amiss with his visit to the school.

Someone already suggested the killer is an injustice collector. I will not be surprised. I was thinking also Anti-social Personality Disorder. They can be such charmers, but suddenly change their demeanor when they feel they've trapped their prey. Poor Karen, it took her only a couple of months to see through his disguise. I wish it had been sooner. On her FB page she posted a picture of their wedding invitation. I wanted so much to warn her not to go through with it. Sadly, it's too late. I feel so bad for her and for the children who will have that moment forever etched in their memories, and one child will likely have injuries with lasting effects that will prevent him/her from forgetting. Praying for the one who was injured and the families of the innocents who were killed.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Apr 11 2017, 4:42 am ET

Accused San Bernardino Shooter’s Facebook Fawning Disguised Homicidal Rage

by James Rainey

At the start, the photographs, the Facebook postings, the video — it all looked so, so right. Godly even.

At least that's the way Cedric Anderson depicted it.

Anderson wrote as if he and his vibrant, striking bride — school teacher Karen Smith — had been destined for each other. The evidence appeared in his frequent Facebook postings: a gentle wedding kiss, the video of the newly-married couple cooing at the camera over a sumptuous dinner, then more baby-talk and snuggling during their honeymoon in Sedona, Arizona. He called himself "blessed." ...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-c...book-fawning-disguised-homicidal-rage-n744991

 

[MOTORUNNER]

Scary that so many relationships end this way, with one being dead. I was in an abusive relationship for 4 years and I am thankful every day that I survived. Men often ask me why women are so scared of them, is it really such a mystery? I know plenty of great men that wouldn't hurt a fly, but to me its too big a risk, one red flag is enough for me.

 

[dotr]

Scary that so many relationships end this way, with one being dead. I was in an abusive relationship for 4 years and I am thankful every day that I survived. Men often ask me why women are so scared of them, is it really such a mystery? I know plenty of great men that wouldn't hurt a fly, but to me its too big a risk, one red flag is enough for me.

Welcome to Ws MOTORUNNER!

Glad you got out of a bad situation before it could potentially turn into a really, really bad one.
The perp in this case already waved a red flag imo, previous arrests for some violent behavior- maybe his new bride was unaware of that, or even thought that she would be THE ONE to tame him.
Either way, what an awful price to pay for a mistake and a horrible injustice for the innocent children who had nothing to do with it at all.imo.

 

[DatelineFan]

I'm just sick for a three of these families. Cedric was a monster, but my goodness, his family must be... I have no words.

Karen must have been a lovely woman. It takes someone very special to work with kids, especially those with special needs. My heart aches for her family as well.

And I just don't even know what to say about losing an 8 year old! It brings tears to my eyes.

I am glad to hear that the other wounded child is physically stable, but that child, his classmates, and the other teachers in the room, as well as responders, have long road ahead of them. As I said in the beginning of the thread, this is a far reaching tragedy. And it's all from some loser who couldn't deal with rejection or something. It makes me so angry and so sad.

My heart is with all of those affected by this nightmare.

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[Blondie in Spokane]

Pictured: Little boy, 8, killed by his teacher's estranged husband who gunned him down in San Bernardino elementary school classroom




Jonathan Martinez

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-San-Bernardino-shooting.html#ixzz4dy3ZCP2Q

 

[zencompass]

Thank you for honoring Jonathan Martinez.

My heart is saddened greatly by the loss of this little child.

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[LaborDayRN]

Pictured: Little boy, 8, killed by his teacher's estranged husband who gunned him down in San Bernardino elementary school classroom


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Jonathan Martinez

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-San-Bernardino-shooting.html#ixzz4dy3ZCP2Q

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[margarita25]

Qmfr:

Thoughts and orayers to all affected by this. The children must be so scared. I've experienced their fear from a lockdown, remind me to tell you what one student said about it.

Prayers to all the parents as they must be terrified right now.

After a bomb scare and lockdown, my little student was sooo traumatized. I wanted him to talk to me, work through it, so I asked him what scared him most. He said just that he was scared his mom wouldnt be able to pick him up. He saw the parking lot filled with LE, and she wasn't able to get in the perimeter to pick him up, and this was extremely upsetting for him. Not explaining it well right now, but the perimeter part was hard for him.

 

[LaneGirl]

Qmfr:



After a bomb scare and lockdown, my little student was sooo traumatized. I wanted him to talk to me, work through it, so I asked him what scared him most. He said just that he was scared his mom wouldnt be able to pick him up. He saw the parking lot filled with LE, and she wasn't able to get in the perimeter to pick him up, and this was extremely upsetting for him. Not explaining it well right now, but the perimeter part was hard for him.

Oh I think being a mom/gma I wouldn't understand that either. I'm so close let me have my kid.

I'm not sure I would grasp that although intellectually I could but emotionally no way.

 

[LietKynes]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boy-killed-school-shooting-had-survived-heart-surgery-200954493.html
An 8-year-old boy shot and killed along with his teacher in a San Bernardino special-education classroom was born with a genetic condition and had survived heart surgery, a school official said Tuesday.

Children with Williams syndrome can be "overly friendly and endearing," Monkaba said. "They prefer to see ... the glass as half-full rather than half-empty. They look for joy. They love people."

No words.

 

[Indy Anna]

San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said during a news conference Tuesday that the couple, both 53, had been in a relationship for about four years and that, soon after they married in late January, they separated. The police chief said it appeared that Anderson had been attempting to contact Smith and persuade her to return home, but she was resistant.

“Those closest to her said that she had mentioned that his behavior was odd and that she was concerned about his behavior, and that he had made some threats toward her,” Burguan told reporters. “He did not make a specific threat to shoot her.

“We were also told from the family that she didn’t necessarily take those threats seriously.”

[...]

After the shooting, police searched Anderson’s home, seizing electronic devices and a handwritten note that made references to Anderson and Smith’s relationship, “feeling dishonored” and “moving forward with no regrets,” Burguan said, adding that it was not considered a suicide note and that, without the shooting, the letter would not have raised any alarms.

[...]

He said Anderson seemed “a bit different” at first, but later revealed himself to be “paranoid and possessive.”

It was that behavior, he said, that led Smith to leave Anderson just months after the couple were married.

<snip> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...year-old-student-dead/?utm_term=.1e805b91db7b

If they had been in a relationship for 4 years and she voiced concerns about him to her children, including threats he'd made, I wonder how long before he began revealing the violent side of his personality. Had she broken off the relationship at other times, prior to their marriage? Usually people with personality disorders are good at disguising their true selves until they feel it's "safe" to unmask themselves. Once the relationship seemed secure, it wouldn't be unusual if he began to remove that mask, and then apologized profusely and begged her forgiveness when he realized he'd begun removing his disguise too soon. If he'd learned from prior experiences/relationships in life just when he could remove the disguise and to what extent, he may not have revealed his true self until after they were married. Sometimes that happens--no matter how kind, considerate and loving the other person appears prior to marriage.

It does say in the article that Smith kept her private life private from her coworkers. And Anderson most likely concealed his true self from them. It makes the abused person in the relationship more submissive and less likely to talk about problems in the relationship when she realizes she is the only person her spouse mistreats. She thinks no one will believe her since he treats everyone else so kindly, and she may even be convinced she is the problem. :shakehead: In this case, Smith did share concerns about him with those closest to her, but again I don't know if that was after they married or before. Unfortunately, she didn't take his threats serious enough, soon enough.