CA - Sergio Aguiar, 2, beaten to death, Turlock, 14 June 2008

[IdahoMom]

If that were your child or grandchild would you feel the same? The 'witnesses' tried talking to him? They told him to stop? That's not a whole lot of trying in my book.

Stop making excuses for their lack of action. Remember 911 and the guys that rushed the terrorists on the plane headed for DC??? They all died when the plane crashed but the men were heroes and stopped others from being hurt.

The 'witnesses' were cowards. We have read how many stories of people standing up for kids being slapped by moms in Walmart/Kmart/grocery store? Sure it's easier to stand up to a woman rather than a crazy man but I think several men could have taken the dad down.

I'm not making excuses and you don't need to make it personal. We have received conflicting reports on what exactly went down. Some of the witnesses are too traumatized to even talk now.

The man was a psycho loon. Have you never seen someone going off in an incredibly crazy manner? Sometimes a few cops can't subdue a person that's going off without the use of deadly force. Please tell me how YOU would have overpowered the man. It's pretty easy to say you would have kicked someone's butt while you're sitting in front of your computer screen in the comfort of your own home.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

It's awful that nobody helped that little boy. I just cannot believe no one did anything to stop the dad. Horrible what he did to his son but I cannot fathom how people watched without reacting. I have seen bar fights - between grown men - where others jump right in and they are all out the door in a minute. No one paused to think "Hmmm.... should I or shouldn't I? I could get sued so I better not." I say bu!!$hit!! That little boy needed someone to be a hero and all around were cowards.

Miimaa, that's because those people in the bar fights were a drunk idiots.

 

[miimaa]

I'm not making excuses and you don't need to make it personal. We have received conflicting reports on what exactly went down. Some of the witnesses are too traumatized to even talk now.

The man was a psycho loon. Have you never seen someone going off in an incredibly crazy manner? Sometimes a few cops can't subdue a person that's going off without the use of deadly force. Please tell me how YOU would have overpowered the man. It's pretty easy to say you would have kicked someone's butt while you're sitting in front of your computer screen in the comfort of your own home.

There was more than one person there... I alone would not have been able to do anything but many of us together could have. Other people have wondered why no one got a tire iron out or any other item to use as a weapon. I'm just wondering why the witnesses didn't gang up on the psycho together? Yes I've read the "they were too shocked" to do anything but I also read one about bystanders not reacting out of fear of being sued by the psycho. Good samaitans.

 

[IdahoMom]

There was more than one person there... I alone would not have been able to do anything but many of us together could have. Other people have wondered why no one got a tire iron out or any other item to use as a weapon. I'm just wondering why the witnesses didn't gang up on the psycho together? Yes I've read the "they were too shocked" to do anything but I also read one about bystanders not reacting out of fear of being sued by the psycho. Good samaitans.

I have seen a poster here say they wouldn't want to be sued, but none of the witnesses in the interviews I have read. If you've seen something else, please post a link. Thanks miimaa.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

If someone is beating the crap out of me on the street I sure hope someone would step in and help me. Calling 911 isn't enough because I'll be dead by the time they get there. I bet you'd hope someone would step up for you too.

Well I would, but that's just me. :innocent: Even police officers will say that calling 911 and staying out of it are the smart things to do, we often can't say of heros that they're smart, just that they acted.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

There was more than one person there... I alone would not have been able to do anything but many of us together could have. Other people have wondered why no one got a tire iron out or any other item to use as a weapon. I'm just wondering why the witnesses didn't gang up on the psycho together? Yes I've read the "they were too shocked" to do anything but I also read one about bystanders not reacting out of fear of being sued by the psycho. Good samaitans.

Well its easy for us to be sitting in the comfort of our own rooms and spouting off about what we'd do. However, being there and talking about it are two different things.

Personally, I think a shovel to the back of the man's head would have worked wonders, but I wasn't there.

 

[IdahoMom]

Well I would, but that's just me. :innocent: Even police officers will say that calling 911 and staying out of it are the smart things to do, we often can't say of heros that they're smart, just that they acted.

I think that I would have done something, but I cannot say here and now what it would be. I have a horrible right shoulder right now and I have thought several times lately that I could not protect myself adequately in a life threatening situation, nor could I swim very far either. If I was able bodied, I think I would intercede somehow, but I cannot say how that would be. Right now, I can't even swing a baseball bat and I keep one in my car, at my bedside and at my front door.

I was nearly carjacked in So Cal a long time ago. I have to tell you I was completely paralyzed with fear for several seconds- which, if my doors hadnt been locked, would have been long enough to have been the victim of a crime.

I have put myself between large men that are involved in a fight before, knowing I could be caught in the crossfire.

 

[bakerprune64]

I think the majority here have said "I'd like to think I would have...." Until we are faced with taht situation we clearly can't know for sure what we would have or could have done. Like SewingDeb I can say that I would have gone full force to try and rip this child from harms way.

I have been in a situation where a neighbor was beating their child so badly that I could hear the actual punching through my closed windows with my AC running. I called police, went over to the neighbors house and pounded on the door until they answered, pushed my way into their home and took their child out the front door with me. I took the kid into my home and locked all the doors till the cops got there. when police arrived the parents were on my porch saying that I had no right to take their kid...the cops told them...she had every right to secure the safety of the child, YOU sir had no right to abuse her. The child is living (key word living) safely in another state with her grand parents. The parents are both in prison for various Violence related offenses and won't be getting out for at least 10 years.

I am just saying...if given a situation like that again, I know how I would react.

 

[Taximom]

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Anyone can sit here and say that they would jump in... but to be honest, you don't know what you would do in that situation. It's definitely a "had to be there" moment.

No one is to blame for what happened to this little boy EXCEPT the monster who did this to him... may he rot in hell

These people are probably bashing themselves as it is.

I feel sorry for them all. I've screwed up 911 calls, so I know what it's like to *think* you will be one way in an emergency. It's not always so. I certainly would hope I would have grabbed a tire iron and whooped this guy's @ss, but I don't know if I would.

 

[NewMom2003]

I feel sorry for the bystanders that witnessed this. None of us really know what we would do in this situation. We think we know how we would react and we know how we would want to react.

I think there is mis-guided anger in this thread that should be directed at the father, not the bystanders.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I went to a country western bar on New Years Eve a few years ago. Nothing is stupider than a bunch of drunk cowboys. Anyway, my oldest son was a bouncer there that night. He was throwing some guy out for being an idiot and without even thinking about it, I was standing there right next to my son waiting for the guy to try something stupid. So, I know I would jump in before I thought about it, but they say that the difference between being a hero and being stupid is pretty thin. If course, I didn't notice until we were headed back to our table that night that my husband was right behind me. I guess we're the kind of family that fights together.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think the majority here have said "I'd like to think I would have...." Until we are faced with taht situation we clearly can't know for sure what we would have or could have done. Like SewingDeb I can say that I would have gone full force to try and rip this child from harms way.

I have been in a situation where a neighbor was beating their child so badly that I could hear the actual punching through my closed windows with my AC running. I called police, went over to the neighbors house and pounded on the door until they answered, pushed my way into their home and took their child out the front door with me. I took the kid into my home and locked all the doors till the cops got there. when police arrived the parents were on my porch saying that I had no right to take their kid...the cops told them...she had every right to secure the safety of the child, YOU sir had no right to abuse her. The child is living (key word living) safely in another state with her grand parents. The parents are both in prison for various Violence related offenses and won't be getting out for at least 10 years.

I am just saying...if given a situation like that again, I know how I would react.

See, you're evidence that the difference between being a hero and being stupid . . . LOL I can just see it now, she was trying to do the right thing when she was killed!:innocent: I applaud you for doing the right thing. Of course, the right thing has gotten more people killed than I don't know what.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think that I would have done something, but I cannot say here and now what it would be. I have a horrible right shoulder right now and I have thought several times lately that I could not protect myself adequately in a life threatening situation, nor could I swim very far either. If I was able bodied, I think I would intercede somehow, but I cannot say how that would be. Right now, I can't even swing a baseball bat and I keep one in my car, at my bedside and at my front door.

I was nearly carjacked in So Cal a long time ago. I have to tell you I was completely paralyzed with fear for several seconds- which, if my doors hadnt been locked, would have been long enough to have been the victim of a crime.

I have put myself between large men that are involved in a fight before, knowing I could be caught in the crossfire.

Its a scary place to be! If it mean't giving up some "thing," I'm giving it to them. Nothing I have is worth being killed for. Of course, if there is someONE at risk, I'm just stupid enough to be killed. My mouth is probably gonna get me killed in the end anyway.:innocent:

 

[Taximom]

What I think is great is that most of us here will probably react differently (and heroically) if this ever happened to us. This is why I role-play being kidnapped with the kids. Practice makes perfect and if you practice your response enough, it will be natural. If we think about this type of situation (Turlock), the option to react differently if it comes our way, God forbid, will be natural too. Hopefully our reasoning will kick in as well to make sure it's safe for us to interact.

 

[mrsjonnob]

I went to a country western bar on New Years Eve a few years ago. Nothing is stupider than a bunch of drunk cowboys. Anyway, my oldest son was a bouncer there that night. He was throwing some guy out for being an idiot and without even thinking about it, I was standing there right next to my son waiting for the guy to try something stupid. So, I know I would jump in before I thought about it, but they say that the difference between being a hero and being stupid is pretty thin. If course, I didn't notice until we were headed back to our table that night that my husband was right behind me. I guess we're the kind of family that fights together.

:laugh:

Funny story, and I am glad your DH had your back (Although I am sure you didn't need him !!)

I have seen my DH throw some rowdy, drunk creeps out of youth sport events in Stockton (there are some really hard parts of Stockton) so I believe he would be the kid of person who would have intervened, but it is true, one can never be sure what they will do.

I have seen enough videos on the news of drugged out people who seem to have super-human stregnth to know that even several cops often can't take down a violent person.

 

[bakerprune64]

See, you're evidence that the difference between being a hero and being stupid . . . LOL I can just see it now, she was trying to do the right thing when she was killed!:innocent: I applaud you for doing the right thing. Of course, the right thing has gotten more people killed than I don't know what.

I wub you too, lol. And yes doing the right thing does not always equate to doing the smart thing. Adrenaline (sp) drives the actions of many. I do have to tell you though when I did that, I was shaking like a leaf but the thought of that young child being abused took over me senses (or lack there of as you so nicely pointed out) She was an aweful mess when CPS came, fortunately she did not need to be put in foster care until her GP could get there (they were in town for vacation)

 

[Jeana (DP)]

:laugh:

Funny story, and I am glad your DH had your back (Although I am sure you didn't need him !!)

I have seen my DH throw some rowdy, drunk creeps out of youth sport events in Stockton (there are some really hard parts of Stockton) so I believe he would be the kid of person who would have intervened, but it is true, one can never be sure what they will do.

I have seen enough videos on the news of drugged out people who seem to have super-human stregnth to know that even several cops often can't take down a violent person.

It was funny!!!! My son turned around and said what the "blank" are you doing here? Then I turned around and said to my husband what the "blank" are YOU doing?? LOL We all just laughed. My son is bigger than I am, but my husband's a 250 pound bodybuilder. So, while I'd like to think my son could have handled it all by himself, I'm thinking drunk cowboy looked back and saw my hubby and just left.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I wub you too, lol. And yes doing the right thing does not always equate to doing the smart thing. Adrenaline (sp) drives the actions of many. I do have to tell you though when I did that, I was shaking like a leaf but the thought of that young child being abused took over me senses (or lack there of as you so nicely pointed out) She was an aweful mess when CPS came, fortunately she did not need to be put in foster care until her GP could get there (they were in town for vacation)

Well you already know you're my hero!!! Anyone who cares about kids as much as you has my undying love!!!!

 

[bakerprune64]

Well you already know you're my hero!!! Anyone who cares about kids as much as you has my undying love!!!!

Suck up

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Suck up