CA - Sergio Aguiar, 2, beaten to death, Turlock, 14 June 2008

[Filly]

Hi I'm a lurker. I just want to add my 2 cents.
I am a seasoned critical care nurse. I have been in many situations with crazy patients withdrawing off drugs or having psychotic episodes or what not. Even with training these are very scary and traumatic episodes usually involving at least 6 staff members. (most of the time more) .I have been kicked clear across a room, Ive seen security and other nurses getting punched in the face and never mind the flying spit! We just had a pastor have her face broken up when a distraught family member picked up a chair in rage and threw it at her face. People in these kinds of rages are very very scary. I cant even imagine coming upon a scene like this. He was a crazed angry man. Some of them might have just been frozen in trauma. You cant blame the bystanders. You cant blame human reaction to traumatic events. I am telling you taking down a 250 pound 6 foot drug crazed psycho with 4 nurses a 4 security guards is insane ,traumatic, dangerous and someone always always always gets hurt!!!!! And we are trained staff. I have taken care of prisoners who have had psychotic breaks in prison. They come to us shackled and with 2-3 prison officers. They usually have been taking down by 10 officers in riot gear and peppered sprayed to the point that we as nurses are ill from the spray just listening to heart sounds or putting on blood pressure cuffs or even just walking in the room. My point is these people that are in these crazed states are very very scary . I understand he was killing his child and that enrages me. But honestly I don't think if I was there with an elderly couple and 2- 20 something year old kids all in shock if I would have tried either. I really don't know what I would do.
This is such a sad heartbreaking case. I am sure all of the bystanders are beating them selves with could of ,would of, should of. never mind having this event just play over and over again in there minds. They did what they could with what they had. They called 911, one kid rushed at him. I can just see in my head that kid trying to get at the guy or the baby alone with a nut bag in psychosis. Of course he would fail.The whole situation is just horrible even for us reading about it it is traumatic.
Just adding a little of my experience and perspective here thanks

That's what I'm talking about. Thank you. Therese.

 

[SuziQ]

Therese, thank you for your post. People in your profession suffer life altering injuries everyday in the process of doing their job. I wonder what the stats are on this? We'd probably be shocked at the numbers.

I don't want to judge the bystanders and I feel bad for second guessing them at all. I'm just trying to understand. I feel very bad for the memories they'll have to live with.

 

[SieSie]

Any word on toxicology results for the "father"??

 

[bakerprune64]

Blunt force trauma to the head and face resulting in multiple skull fractures contributed to the death of the 2-year-old boy killed by his father on a dark country road Saturday.
Preliminary autopsy results uncovered several cranial breaks, but the official cause of death won't be known until toxicology tests are complete, which could take up to four weeks, the Stanislaus County coroner's office said Thursday.
"Nothing definitive can be said until (the toxicology results) come back to make sure nothing was in the baby's system," said Stanislaus County sheriff's deputy Royjindar Singh.
The skull fractures are "one of the causes of death, if not the cause of death," he said.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/168/story/314080.html

Rest in Peace sweet baby Axel

 

[bakerprune64]

Any word on toxicology results for the "father"??

Looks like another 4 weeks at least before the results come back.

 

[Spazkat9696]

If the skill fractures were not the cause of death I wonder what was. My first thought would be a gunshot wound just because I remember hearing there was also blood in the truck. This whole case is just horrible.

 

[bakerprune64]

If the skill fractures were not the cause of death I wonder what was. My first thought would be a gunshot wound just because I remember hearing there was also blood in the truck. This whole case is just horrible.

I would take a guess at him probablly having beaten the child severely elsewhere and then taking out to that place to finish the job. But anything could be possible , the beating could have occurred as a way to cover up a gun shot wound? I guess we'll have ot wait to see. It also looks like they are waiting for tox on Axel to see if there was anything in his system

snipped from the same link I posted above...

"Nothing definitive can be said until (the toxicology results) come back to make sure nothing was in the baby's system,"

 

[Littledeer]

Toxicology results on a baby???????

Is that because there is the possibility that the father put something in his system? If so, wouldn't that indicate some type of pre-planning on the father's part to kill his own son?? Then how does the rage fit in? The fact that the baby started crying?

Either way, I'm glad the father is DEAD. As far as the witnesses go, I'm not going to pass judgement on any of them. I can't even imagine myself coming upon such a horror as that one night when I am driving.

RIP Axel

 

[bakerprune64]

Toxicology results on a baby???????

Is that because there is the possibility that the father put something in his system? If so, wouldn't that indicate some type of pre-planning on the father's part to kill his own son?? Then how does the rage fit in? The fact that the baby started crying?

Either way, I'm glad the father is DEAD. As far as the witnesses go, I'm not going to pass judgement on any of them. I can't even imagine myself coming upon such a horror as that one night when I am driving.

RIP Axel

I would say yes it does. I am glad the is dead, it's just so sad the they didn't kill him before Axel's life was taken

 

[luthersmama]

They have to do the tox tests to eliminate something other than the skull fractures as the cause of death. Even though the killer won't be going to trial, it is important to isolate what happened.

Patience. The baby is beyond help and the killer is beyond our system of justice.

 

[SieSie]

Looks like another 4 weeks at least before the results come back.

Thanks, baker!

 

[chicoliving]

~snip~

"Sergio Aguiar did not have drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of his death," said Kristi Ah You, Stanislaus County's Chief Coroner in a press release issued today.

http://cbs13.com/local/sergio.aguiar.beating.2.763925.html

 

[Spazkat9696]

~snip~

"Sergio Aguiar did not have drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of his death," said Kristi Ah You, Stanislaus County's Chief Coroner in a press release issued today.

http://cbs13.com/local/sergio.aguiar.beating.2.763925.html

Wow that's surprising.

 

[Ciara]

~snip~

"Sergio Aguiar did not have drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of his death," said Kristi Ah You, Stanislaus County's Chief Coroner in a press release issued today.

http://cbs13.com/local/sergio.aguiar.beating.2.763925.html

Makes what he did even more disgusting and brutal

 

[Lisahas2cats]

Makes what he did even more disgusting and brutal

Disgusting and brutal.....but it makes it sound even more to me like it was a total and genuine psychotic break

 

[justche]

Disgusting and brutal.....but it makes it sound even more to me like it was a total and genuine psychotic break

I'm not one who generally believes in other worldly influences - or possessions but I have to wonder in this instance.

 

[philamena]

"Sergio Aguiar did not have drugs or alcohol in his system at the time of his death,"

Wha??? No way!

 

[Kiki]

It sounds as though he was a very sick man. I feel so sad for Sergio and Axle's family. They must be torturing themselves thinking of ways they could have saved Axle if only they'd known how ill Sergio was.

 

[hipmamajen]

Disgusting and brutal.....but it makes it sound even more to me like it was a total and genuine psychotic break

That's what I was thinking. Do we know if he has a history of mental illness?

 

[southcitymom]

I'm not surprised no substances were found. From the beginning, this has struck me as a complete psychotic break without the benefit of chemicals. I don't know why I feel this way - just a gut feeling. My continued prayers for this family.