Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #10

[missgulfsouth]

I wasn't suggesting anyone had called anyone that - just me over-emphasising [emoji6]

It's a bit like a relationship gone wrong though; when you find out one lie, it makes a lie of every other truth you thought you'd known. So, we are questioning things we wouldn't ordinarily, because there's enough to throw the whole "this is the truth" line off a little way.

I don't think anyone is discrediting every single thing. I think it's a suggestion that every single thing could be discredited singularly. In the same way, every single thing can be explained away singularly, but together it makes up an odd culmination of events.

I speak only for myself of course; things that I've found odd, I fully expect that some of it will turn out to have been my overactive sleuthy senses gone wild. But there's a Pugh of those odd moments that make me question every moment.

Aside from that though, I really enjoy reading people explaining how these moments might NOT be as odd as I think and the opinions that this was an abduction without a requirement to go much deeper. Different strokes for different folks make the world spin and it's good to see all sides before settling on your own.

:moo:

Annnd I feel like Alice all over again .....

Lol J/K

 

[Rayemonde]

What if Sherri was actually abducted by, say, a white male but he told her he would kill her children if she told anyone the truth after he released her. So she made up the stuff about it being two Hispanic women.

 

[gitana1]

I have no idea how divorces work...maybe one of the lawyers could shed light. It does seem that by that point they were living in different states.

Divorce attorney here. People tend to file were they reside. If each one has resided in a different state for six months before filing then whoever files first tends to "win" as far as which case will go forward.
However, none of the family property or debt or witnesses are located in a new state where a spouse filed after moving there, a change of venue motion would likely be brought and succeed.

I see competing filings a lot but usually in the same county or at least state. People assume that there's significance to who files first. There really isn't. Also, often spouses aren't communicating.

 

[Annie1004]

And yet the Shasta County public records showed a SLG/DAD divorce filing in summer of 2007 and final judgement in Sep 2008. (Link and post in earlier threads.)

Not familiar with how that works...why would each party file separately for divorce? Why one filing in HI and one later in CA?

ETA: Just noticed - the HI one says Initiation date: 12/19/2006, and Disposition says "OTH" with the Disposition date 2/4/2008.

Can any legalese expert decipher if that means the HI divorce was finalized? If it wasn't, maybe that could explain the second filing in Shasta County in 2008...

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It was dismissed in 2008.

 

[soanyway]

IMO, the chains were used to keep her captive during the 3 weeks, but yes, extreme given her size. The sheriff did say that the 2 women were wanted in her abduction. Very possible they were working for someone and released SP without their knowledge (hadn't thought of that).

So many things are odd in this case. Who uses such heavy hardware to bind a slight woman? That does not spell hoax to me - It says "message" IMO. That is not something a petite blond runner would think of. Or 2 women in an SUV for that matter.

I am still leaning toward the women found her and freed her and armed themselves in case there was trouble.

I just don't see hoax in this. Not on SP's part anyway.

:cow:

 

[ninij9]

Psssst .... read the end first. Save yourself!!!!!

You know the end???? Well, it's actually the MIDDLE I'm crazy to know.😊

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[DeeMarie]

Maybe the deal that was made with her captor was not only the reverse ransom but also not to tell the police the details/who did it.

 

[Cardinal47]

To me, battered could also refer to how someone looks as a result of bad wreck, fall, or tumble (eg. if she did jump from a moving vehicle). More like, multiple visible injuries about the body, rather than a single injury. Not sure we can conclude from that CHP account alone that her battered appearance was inflicted by another human.

That's why the latest news articles where LE states they believe she was "assaulted by her captors" are a bit more defining (for me at least).

bat·ter 1 (băt′ər)
v. bat·tered, bat·ter·ing, bat·ters
v.tr.
1.
a. To hit heavily and repeatedly with violent blows. See Synonyms at beat.
b. To subject to repeated beatings or physical abuse.
2. To damage, as by heavy wear: a shed battered by high winds.
3.
a. To attack verbally, as with criticism.
b. To harass or distress, as with repeated questions. See Synonyms at assault.



in·jured
ˈinjərd/
adjective
adjective: injured

1.
harmed, damaged, or impaired.
"a road accident left him severely injured"
synonyms: hurt, wounded, damaged, sore, bruised; More
crippled, lame, disabled;
maimed, mutilated, deformed, mangled, broken, fractured
"his injured arm"
antonyms: healthy
2.
offended.
"his injured pride"
synonyms: wronged, offended, maltreated, mistreated, ill-used, harmed; More

 

[LozDa]

I may be in the minority, but I do believe this was an abduction. I don't know what a "straight forward abduction" looks like, but my guess would be abductions vary greatly (as seen with the WA woman abducted from her home with a woman arrested for her murder). With all due respect, I think many of your conclusions are very leading.

SP sent her husband a text at 10:37 and had plenty of time to get a run in and return home before lunch to hide or finish the present. IIRC, we don't even know if it was in plain site or in another room, only discovered when he searched the house for SP and the kids.

We don't know if they were wearing masks. Maybe she was attacked from behind. Maybe she was hit on the head and shoved into the vehicle unconscious. Why wouldn't the abductors leave her cell phone at the scene rather than risk being tracked? If it were planned, they could've had gloves on and not concerned with DNA transferring (if they actually did touch the phone). The report of them being armed could've come from her while being held captive.

If my loved one were taken, I would take EXTREME measures to get them back. While the reverse ransom may not be something at everyone's disposal, I don't discredit anyone using it as a means to find SP. As mentioned earlier, SP could've even mentioned it to her abductors in an attempt to save her life, leading the abductors to pursue another avenue. We just don't know.

We don't know if the car slowed down. It could've stopped at the intersection and she jumped. We don't know what she was waving, someone else mentioned it could've been a white plastic bag found on the road.

We don't know who KP told about SP being found alive or when. His dad mentioned that he did not know and was concerned about KP when he wasn't at the balloon release. That leaves a ton of other people that may have been told but for obvious reasons had to keep it to themselves. With 140-150 miles to travel, I would've gone mad not being able to tell someone. IMO, he probably did call her mother and a few others (someone obviously had the children). He probably called them again once he was able to assess her condition at the hospital. I'm sure the perps knew about the balloon release and to cancel it would've raised a ton of suspicion and possibly interfered with the investigation.

I've only followed a handful of cases here on WS, but quite frankly every one of them has had SOMETHING odd. A ransom paid for Sandra Harris almost immediately to me was odd. A woman being abducted for her abduction and murder was odd. I have noticed that LE doesn't supply all the little details inquiring minds need to know. I'm okay with that. IMO, the evidence should be used to secure a conviction not my curiosity.

I appreciate you going through my post and picking at it; it's good to see a different perspective and seeing all the different things I find odd put into a perspective of not being that odd.

My points were leading, but that's because that's how I see them. If she were unconscious, was she unconscious for the whole 3 weeks, or did they then blindfold her for 3 weeks? Or were they wearing masks? Was the intention always to let her go on thanksgiving? Is that why they didn't want her to see them? It's difficult for me to not question each part because either all of it should add up or none of it. I don't know which side it is yet... I'm working my way through it [emoji6]

The only part I have to disagree with entirely is that "We don't know who KP told about SP being found alive or when." - We know that he was called and put through to SP via CHP and made it to where she was before the Sheriff's men had arrived.

However, you're certainly not in a minority I don't think. I've seen a definite half and half posting of support for both sides of the argument. It's amazing really how we can see two entirely different stories from the same set of information! It's good to talk it through and hash it all about.

I really hope there's a conclusion to it all; for all our sakes!

 

[Cardinal47]

Exactly! In a quick roadside assessment, did a highway patrol officer make a rock-solid determination of the extent and cause of her injuries?

Perhaps he did. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps he misspoke. Perhaps he didn't even say that and was misquoted.

I just don't understand why some people think this is absolutely rock solid information. It isn't.

To me, in this case, since she was presumably clothed, 'heavily battered' implies heavy swelling and/or bruising to the face. Is that necessarily the case here? I just don't know.

It sure seems the MSM is running with it. The Sheriff did say she was assaulted, but that's pretty vague.

I would just like to see some kind of confirmation before I accept this as an established fact.

Actually I vote for the CHP man on the scene. Most police officers have seen it all. They spend numerous hours in training programs.

I think they call a spade a spade.

Yep my vote is the policeman, highly trained and not new to tragedy told what he saw and what his training told him happened.

 

[wfgodot]

It could have been very important for KP to speak to SP before sheriff's deputies arrived.

 

[sumzero]

I wasn't suggesting anyone had called anyone that - just me over-emphasising [emoji6]

It's a bit like a relationship gone wrong though; when you find out one lie, it makes a lie of every other truth you thought you'd known. So, we are questioning things we wouldn't ordinarily, because there's enough to throw the whole "this is the truth" line off a little way.

I don't think anyone is discrediting every single thing. I think it's a suggestion that every single thing could be discredited singularly. In the same way, every single thing can be explained away singularly, but together it makes up an odd culmination of events.

I speak only for myself of course; things that I've found odd, I fully expect that some of it will turn out to have been my overactive sleuthy senses gone wild. But there's a Pugh of those odd moments that make me question every moment.

Aside from that though, I really enjoy reading people explaining how these moments might NOT be as odd as I think and the opinions that this was an abduction without a requirement to go much deeper. Different strokes for different folks make the world spin and it's good to see all sides before settling on your own.

:moo:

Just about anything in any investigation can be questioned. Amateur sleuths with access only to fragments of evidence and with no opportunity to speak with the individuals involved will obviously run into problems. It would be MORE surprising, under the circumstances, if everything fit neatly into place for us. My rule of thumb is to assess things as being more likely or less likely, until we hear a full, detailed report from LE.

For example, based on the dispatcher's audio and follow-up statements by the sheriff, I think it's quite likely Sherri sustained obvious and serious injuries. I don't know the nature of those injuries or how they were inflicted, but most people do not subject themselves to physical pain voluntarily. It is very, very rare when that happens. So, again, I'm inclined to believe Sherri suffered these injuries during an abduction or afterwards by someone with whom she was not in cahoots. Of course, if more information is released that calls that tentative conclusion into question, I'll definitely reevaluate.

The one thing I try to avoid is, on the one hand, gullibly believing everything I'm told, and, on the other hand, applying such a ridiculously high standard of proof, that no matter what someone says, I won't believe it.

 

[Eileen730]

Could this be a hate crime?

 

[Mosaic]

What if Sherri was actually abducted by, say, a white male but he told her he would kill her children if she told anyone the truth after he released her. So she made up the stuff about it being two Hispanic women.

IF that was the case, then why would her relatives shared their pictures (along with their names and their ages) to the media ???

 

[callyn]

You bring up a good point. Perhaps the abductor works in the industrial field...a field where hose clamps are readily available or handy. If not, why would the abductor think of *hose clamps* to bound SP? If I'm going to abduct someone and I don't work in an industrial field, I don't suddenly think of hose clamps. I am only going to grab something as specific as that because its readily handy or available. I'm going to grab rope, zip ties, handcuffs, etc. But *hose clamps*??

So, without violating TOS, can we think to ourselves the abductors possibly working in an industrial-related field?

Me thinks I'm onto something...

Thank you. You put it much better than I did. I'm not so good with words anymore.

 

[Fascinated1]

Sorry if mentioned before but daily mail article quotes the dad ken as saying hubby got to her before the sheriffs did????

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...car-help.html?ito=email_share_mobile-masthead

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Here's one more source stating "release" by captor(s) rather than escape via jumping out of a vehicle:

https://gma.yahoo.com/mysteries-sti...ornia-mom-201404044--abc-news-topstories.html

https://gma.yahoo.com/mysteries-sti...ornia-mom-201404044--abc-news-topstories.html
Papini told police that her captors dropped her off in the area where she was found, 150 miles from her home, on Thanksgiving Day.

 

[bluesneakers]

What if Sherri was actually abducted by, say, a white male but he told her he would kill her children if she told anyone the truth after he released her. So she made up the stuff about it being two Hispanic women.

That would support the reverse ransom order of no cops. If the ransom was paid and strings were attached. It wouldn't take long for LE to figure it out though.

 

[gitana1]

What was the purpose of the ?
Now that she is home safe, will people get their money back?
Would it be right for them to keep the $50,000, and why would they since she was only gone for 3 weeks?

Just wondering...

The only time I have a problem with GFMs is when the people setting it up are clear POIs or suspects or are closely affiliated with them or estranged from the victims.

If my spouse was missing for three weeks, I would not be able to work during that time. And neither would family members I would likely rely on to help me financially in a situation like that.

Then there are expanded related to a search like flyers and huge signs and freeway sign and private detectives.

And I wouldn't be able to go back tom work too quickly either. This is a lot to get through.

And I imagine there would be a lot of therapy and time away from home recovering as well which can be costly.

I'm always surprised how suspicious these crowd funding things make people at a time like this. Unless there's some kind of fraud involved I don't begrudge families use of such funds in these cases.

 

[jellybean96]

Hmm, it's a little more confusing than that, though...

Hawaii divorce: DAD vs. SLG - Initiation Date: 12/19/2006 - Disposition: OTH - Disposition Date: 2/4/2008

Shasta County divorce: SLG vs. DAD - Filing date was 8/15/2007 and Final Judgement: 9/17/2008


The only thing I can figure is, maybe the first divorce didn't go through, or they reconciled briefly?

On the link to the HI divorce documents, it said that one of them could not be located to serve. So maybe because of that?