Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #22

[Tricia]

First and foremost Websleuths is a true crime discussion forum. A very close second is we are a victim friendly forum. Rarely do these two descriptions collide. In the Papini case, discussion forum and victim friendly forum smash head-on into each other.

First and foremost we are a discussion forum.

Because there are many mainstream media articles about the discrepancies in Sherri’s story, we must allow a discussion to contain opinions that Sherri is not truthful, and the next logical leap is we must allow the theory that Sherri is not telling the truth about her kidnapping.

This is very difficult. We have the police saying they believe Sherri is telling the truth yet there are discrepancies.

Not that this played any part in my decision on what to allow in the Papini discussion I can tell you I can’t find anyone who believes her other than a handful of posters on Websleuths.

Let me just throw this out there…what if everyone is wrong? Can you imagine the pain?

Before I tell you the rules for discussion Sherri’s case, I want to envision you are sitting with Sherri, her husband, and her CHILDREN, while you are telling them your theory. Keep that vision in your mind while you type your post.

Whatever you choose to say (within TOS of course) you can do so in a kind and mature manner. With that in mind here is what is now open for discussion.

*You can discuss the discrepancies in Sherri's statements, her husband's, or anyone else who has given a statement to the police.

*You can discuss the discrepancies reported by the mainstream media. Example: Fox News Story http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/2...uestions-over-super-mom-kidnapping-claim.html

*You can discuss, like a mature person who is expressing their opinion in front of the whole Papini family, why you believe Sherri Papini is not telling the truth. A side note if you want I would love to read your theories on why the police are so adamant she is telling the truth

*You cannot use rumor and innuendo to explain your theory as to why Papini made up the kidnapping story. Must be fact-based. Meaning mainstream media and police sources.

If everyone uses common sense and does not reduce this discussion to name calling and all kinds of other immature acts, we shouldn’t have a problem.

Basing your opinion/posts on the facts in this case and doing so in a mature manner will mean the Papini thread will stay open. We shouldn't have any problems.

http://fox8.com/2017/10/27/a-year-a...s-mysterious-disappearance-new-info-surfaces/

http://people.com/crime/sherri-papini-dna-male-alleged-abduction/


BACKSTORY:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1525604334396831/

Missing Person Sherri Papini

Video here from KRCR News Channel → [video]https://www.facebook.com/oswaldsk/videos/10103576746628095/[/video]​

UPDATE: Papini ransom money now going to anyone who turns in 'abductor'

skibaboo's Case Map

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Video here from KRCR News Channel → [video]https://www.facebook.com/oswaldsk/videos/10103576746628095/[/video]​

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1525604334396831/

Authorities search for missing woman in Shasta County

 

[Tricia]

If someone has time could you please post a quick synopsis of the case with the latest media links including those that discuss the discrepancies I would really appreciate it. Please post in a more coherent manner that I put the links in the opening thread.

Thank you very much,
Tricia

 

[GigTu]

For anyone interested in pursuing human branding on a woman's left shoulder, there is a 1660's book entitled Seventeenth Century Life in the Country Parish. Here is a sample of an entry discussing one part of what it means (to the book):
https://books.google.com/books?id=K...w#v=onepage&q=branding women shoulder&f=false

And The Slave Trade
https://books.google.com/books?id=l...A#v=onepage&q=branding women shoulder&f=false

 

[Stripehaven]

This case utterly mystifies me. Clearly something happened that resulted in SP exhibiting injuries. Yet her story doesn't seem to add up. I am trying to imagine scenarios which would have caused her to be invested in deflecting attention from whatever really happened but I can only come up with speculation, which would not be appropriate to share here.

I guess I also wonder if the police really do fully believe her story or are just being careful not to slander her - just in case. Discrepancies typically cause LE to cast a jaded eye on a case.

She does appear to be a person who highly values a particular type of self image. So if this scenario involved something like an infidelity, maybe that would cause her to create a cover story. But her current image of someone who MAY BE untruthful and who MAY HAVE caused untold and unjustified fear and worry to her loved ones is not so hot. I wonder if she feels this is preferable to revealing something "imperfect" in her life. And if so, does this indicate her putting a lot of pressure on herself, or does she typically experience a lot of pressure and expectations from those around her? And what would happen if she violated such expectations, if they exist?

I keep monitoring this thread not because I have anything to contribute, but because this is so odd and such a puzzler that I really hope we learn the truth one day. We all invested a lot of concern and brainpower while she was missing, not to mention the efforts expended by LE, and her friends and family. I can't really say we "deserve" answers but it sort of feels like we do (even though here on WS we volunteered and weren't required to care).

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In the last thread there were posts about neighbors never seeing Sherri jogging. This neighbor say's she never saw Sherri jog or even go to the mailbox or seemingly anywhere.

Betty Vaughn, 72, whose home overlooks the spot where Papini was allegedly kidnapped, told DailyMail.com that the discovery was 'strange'.

'The phone was found with the headphones wrapped around it – it was strange, like it had been placed there,' she said.
Asked if Papini was often seen in the area, she said: 'Not at all. I've never seen her jogging, never seen her coming up to the mailboxes.
'I've been living here for 20 years so you would have thought I would have seen her at some point.'

If you listen to Keith Papini's 911 call he tells the 911 dispatcher "She started running again." It appears she started jogging recently and that could be why the neighbors don't recall ever seeing her out running.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4718540/Kidnapping-victim-Sherri-Papini-lives-recluse.html

http://www.ktvu.com/news/911-call-suspect-sketches-dna-evidence-released-in-sherri-papini-case

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[sumzero]

http://people.com/crime/five-things-to-know-about-sherri-papini-and-her-family/

 

[sumzero]

http://people.com/crime/missing-sherri-papini-update-husband-keith-interview/

 

[rosesfromangels]

I believe her. Branded, broken nose, emaciated. They let her go because she was too “hot”, a liability. Everyone was talking about this case. I have immense sympathy for her, and pray she is healing. Strong woman.

 

[Openminded]

Why would LE say they believe her if they don't? Because (IMO) they have no concrete proof she isn't telling the truth so they're publically supporting her story. It doesn't benefit them to do otherwise.

I don't feel this case will be solved.

 

[Steleheart]

Tricia, Thanks for the new thread.
I hope you're feeling better and thanks for the graphic you posted on the last thread. It helped me "visualize better" the whole Alien thing.

:loveyou:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I believe her. Branded, broken nose, emaciated. They let her go because she was too “hot”, a liability. Everyone was talking about this case. I have immense sympathy for her, and pray she is healing. Strong woman.

I find Sherri's injuries compelling.

According to the news release from the sheriff's office, Sherri was taken to the hospital. She "appeared battered and bruised, her hair had been cut to shoulder length and she had a brand on her right shoulder." Additional details on the brand have not been released.

"Battered and bruised." I guess it's possible that her injuries were self inflicted but it seems that they are pretty severe. Keith said her nose was broken. Would Sherri go to such extremes to create a hoax?

http://www.ktvu.com/news/911-call-suspect-sketches-dna-evidence-released-in-sherri-papini-case

 

[Steleheart]

I believe her. Branded, broken nose, emaciated. They let her go because she was too “hot”, a liability. Everyone was talking about this case. I have immense sympathy for her, and pray she is healing. Strong woman.

I also think they just diidn't realize she wasn't as young as they originally thought she was with her very slight frame.
I know LE has said it wasn't sex trafficking but without a suspect I just can't figure how can they be sure of that.

JMO

 

[bluesneakers]

In the last thread there were posts about neighbors never seeing Sherri jogging. This neighbor say's she never saw Sherri jog or even go to the mailbox or seemingly anywhere.

If you listen to Keith Papini's 911 call he tells the 911 dispatcher "She started running again." It appears she started jogging recently and that could be why the neighbors don't recall ever seeing her out running.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4718540/Kidnapping-victim-Sherri-Papini-lives-recluse.html

http://www.ktvu.com/news/911-call-suspect-sketches-dna-evidence-released-in-sherri-papini-case

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How long had the Papinis lived in that house when she went missing?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Sherri was found with some elaborate restraints.

Papini was found wearing light gray sweatpants and a dark gray sweatshirt. A chain circled her waist and her left wrist was tethered to the chain with a zip tie. Papini also had hose clamps around her ankles, which Jackson said “appeared to have acted as pain-compliance restraints.”

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article180824671.html#storylink=cpy
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"Pain-compliance restraints" sounds pretty intense to me. Hose clamps generally are made out of metal and have 90 degree edges so I can see how they could cut into your skin when used as a restraint.

You would have to be careful in your movements or else you would be cut. JMO.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article180824671.html

 

[rosesfromangels]

I find Sherri's injuries compelling.



"Battered and bruised." I guess it's possible that her injuries were self inflicted but it seems that they are pretty severe. Keith said her nose was broken. Would Sherri go to such extremes to create a hoax?

http://www.ktvu.com/news/911-call-suspect-sketches-dna-evidence-released-in-sherri-papini-case

No. IMO, there is no way she could have self inflicted. She was going to be trafficked. The branding and abuse are consistent with that hypothesis. These are low lifes who got scared because just about everyone knew who she was.

MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

How long had the Papinis lived in that house when she went missing?

Looks like 9 years although the home has been in the family much longer.

The Papini home has been owned by the family for more than 40 years and once belonged to Kenneth and his ex-wife, Kathleen, 59.

Tucked away down a potholed dirt road on the outskirts of Shasta Lake, it occupies a shady plot of land fringed by local Ponderosa pine trees.
The couple moved into the property shortly after Papini split from her first husband, platoon sergeant David Dreyfus, 32, who now lives in Southlake, Texas, in 2007.

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That makes me wonder why the neighbor never saw Sherri at the mailbox. Strange.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4718540/Kidnapping-victim-Sherri-Papini-lives-recluse.html

 

[Pamela_Brewer]

How long had the Papinis lived in that house when she went missing?

~10 years?
MOO

"The couple moved into the property shortly after Papini split from her first husband, platoon sergeant David Dreyfus, 32, who now lives in Southlake, Texas, in 2007."

"Until recently, the house, which has a yard scattered with children's toys and several clapped-out cars parked behind it, belonged to Kenneth and Kathleen but in April 2017, the couple bought it outright – paying just over $128,000 for the property."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4718540/Kidnapping-victim-Sherri-Papini-lives-recluse.html

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[Traymar]

What is difficult for me to get past is the multiple injuries over a period of time aspect. I can imagine someone going to extremes to self injure in order to conceal some wrongdoing. But repeatedly?

I have long felt it highly possible that she went willingly (based on phone/headphone placement). In my opinion only, she had planned to be picked up at (and returned to) that spot. Perhaps she had done so before as a way to not be tracked. However, maybe it was a setup, and maybe she wasn't picked up by the person she expected (could it have been an angry wife/girlfriend instead?) after all. Then maybe she was taken somewhere and subjected to the mistreatment we have heard about.

OR, perhaps she went willingly with a love interest and tarried (purposefully or not), then didn't expect her husband to discover the odd nature of her absence (phone and headphones deposited on the side of the road sans their owner) via the phone app so quickly. Then, maybe she realized the gig was up. Or maybe, once the missing persons report was filed, she felt compelled to do something (short of suicide) that would be sufficiently horrific to not only justify her absence, but also to deflect interest from her extra curricular activities, at least in the short run.

These are just some scenarios that have floated around my mind, and are purely conjecture. I don't have links handy, but will get them and add here.

Again, please know that ALL of the above is MOO.

Link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/2...uestions-over-super-mom-kidnapping-claim.html


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[hey-Debbie]

In the last thread there were posts about neighbors never seeing Sherri jogging. This neighbor say's she never saw Sherri jog or even go to the mailbox or seemingly anywhere.

If you listen to Keith Papini's 911 call he tells the 911 dispatcher "She started running again." It appears she started jogging recently and that could be why the neighbors don't recall ever seeing her out running.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4718540/Kidnapping-victim-Sherri-Papini-lives-recluse.html

http://www.ktvu.com/news/911-call-suspect-sketches-dna-evidence-released-in-sherri-papini-case

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BBM; She started running again. I haven't listened to the 911 call, but did he really say this in the 911 call. I just find it odd you would mention that during a 911 call. What would it matter at all if she used to run, stopped running, then started "running again". That's totally irrelevant to anything.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Why would LE say they believe her if they don't? Because (IMO) they have no concrete proof she isn't telling the truth so they're publically supporting her story. It doesn't benefit them to do otherwise.

I don't feel this case will be solved.

I don't have a good reason why LE would state on the record that they believe Sherri's account when they actually felt otherwise.

In other cases I've followed it's been suggested that LE will give false information to the public in an attempt to somehow put the suspect at ease so they will "slip up" and therefore tell "someone" incriminating statements that would then lead to their arrest.

I've never followed that line of reasoning myself.