Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I did. And thought the exact same thing. Everything I've learned about trauma is that you can't help but remember. Sometimes you remember worse than actually happened but you can't help but remember. That's the cruelty of PTSD. It retraumatizes the victim over and over and over.

It's odd how it messes up your brain. Having experienced severe trauma and having PTSD, my short term memory is completely shot. But I remember every detail of the event. My son tells me he has no memory of high school, but again, he remembers every moment that day.

My sister had two severely traumatic incidents within a couple of months when she was 16. She remembers virtually nothing before that, almost no memories of her childhood, but she remembers both events vividly.

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[Doghairrules]

Great podcast and I totally share Pat Brown's thoughts on the case.

I thought the podcaster was good and I will check out more episodes, but I have to say that I thought Ms. Brown was harsher than she needed to be, especially given that she presumably doesn’t have anymore info than we do. After googling her, I’m even less impressed with her credentials. Moo and all that.


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[Bravo]

I am most interested in knowing exactly what type of self injuries that her Mother spoke of.

 

[gitana1]

It's odd how it messes up your brain. Having experienced severe trauma and having PTSD, my short term memory is completely shot. But I remember every detail of the event. My son tells me he has no memory of high school, but again, he remembers every moment that day.

My sister had two severely traumatic incidents within a couple of months when she was 16. She remembers virtually nothing before that, almost no memories of her childhood, but she remembers both events vividly.

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Very unfair.

 

[MaryG12]

I can see the attention getting thing. Maybe she was talking to more than one man over the internet. Maybe she wasn't getting the attention that she wanted in her marriage and that's why or how this whole thing started. Everyone likes a little flattery now and then but if you are in a happy, secure marriage, I wouldn't think that she would have been looking to meet other men.

Which is why I brought up the esteem issue in a previous post.

I have friends who have children one of things they always say to me, once you have kids, you put yourself on the back burner, the care and rearing of your children come before you do. You don't have time to worry about your looks, or whether you're still appealing to your husband, because the kids always come first. Their words, not mine.

The more I think about it, it almost sounds like SP needs to be the only one in a relationship, which is not at all uncommon for either men or women. I know so because I happen to be one of them.

 

[MaryG12]

While on the subject of memory and PTSD, here is an interesting article:

PTSD, the Hippocampus, and the Amygdala – How Trauma Changes the Brain, from National Institute for the Clinical Application of Behavioral Medicine

 

[lonetraveler]

I thought the podcaster was good and I will check out more episodes, but I have to say that I thought Ms. Brown was harsher than she needed to be, especially given that she presumably doesn’t have anymore info than we do. After googling her, I’m even less impressed with her credentials. Moo and all that.


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She is a woman who doesn't appreciate BS, IMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

I can't help but be interested in the bag she was waving at traffic to get attention after her release. New bag, old bag, used bag, only bag used during her ordeal? Should have her saliva, probably blood from her nose injury, snot from her crying, anything really, DNA from her kidnappers?

 

[lonetraveler]

Would also like to know how her nose bridge was broken. Was her head slammed into the toilet too?

 

[DizzyB]

I can't help but be interested in the bag she was waving at traffic to get attention after her release. New bag, old bag, used bag, only bag used during her ordeal? Should have her saliva, probably blood from her nose injury, snot from her crying, anything really, DNA from her kidnappers?

A bag to carry props?

 

[Rallibella]

This has to be the most confusing case ever.

 

[Hope4More]

I don't know. I doubt it would be legal though. You can't force people to incriminate themselves and it's a barbiturate so they'd be under influence even if voluntarily but then would lack the capacity to stop the conversation.

Interesting fact - they carry it on planes for people who go crazy. The shoe bomber was given it.



True.



No. It doesn't suggest they believe her at all. It suggests they're good investigators.

They had a missing woman. And a phone found neatly coiled. And a very dramatic husband who was "angry" when she turned up missing. Mm

They investigated. They served warrants for everyone's electronics and records. Those records led them to michigan after discovering she was trying to meet a man. Those records show she had female names for male contacts in her phone.

They continued investigating. Then came the thanksgiving miracle. And a crazy story about a motive-less abduction and torture by two masked, Latina bandits. Who somehow dragged her into a van, drove with her over a hundred miles, spent three weeks with her in close proximity, engaged in hand to hand combat with her and then drove her back, all while remaining totally masked and not giving away any identifying info of any kind, including their location.

Since then LE has released random and odd info that seems designed to create implications about her, not designed to find two, mysterious, masked Latina bandits- she cut her foot in a physical fight but no evidence of that was found. She was trying to meet up with a mysterious Michigan man which is why they investigated him. The case is "weird". She can't remember anything about her actual abduction or any identifying info. Her hair wasn't shorn. It was cut shoulder length. The FBI "wanted" poster makes
no mention of any crime or suspects. Instead it states they may have "info" about the disappearance. Etc.

LE's actions do not support their belief in her or her story.

Didn't say that LE believes her story. Suggested the opposite, actually. What LE has said- and I believe it's most likely true- is that they have no reason to not believe that SP was taken against her will, kept against her will, and harmed.

My guess is that they don't believe SP is clueless about who was involved and why she was taken- which would explain a great deal about how they've approached their investigation (the details of which for obvious reasons
have not been made public) and what they have communicated to the public.

 

[Hatfield]

I am most interested in knowing exactly what type of self injuries that her Mother spoke of.

I agree that could provide more clues to this case. When she first got rescued the reporting of her injuries were somewhat conflicting in this case. Some reports made it sound pretty bad and then other reports conflicted with that somewhat.

This case keeps bringing back a traumatizing memory I have of when I was younger and watched the Dirty Harry movie with the awful scene of Scorpio the villain hiring someone to beat himself up so he could make it look like the Cop (Dirty Harry) did it to him and get him in trouble.

 

[CoolJ]

That's what I think too, and I don't think national media attention and CG were in the original script.

Just me thinking and I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't rule out either CG or national media attention being a part of the script

 

[Hope4More]

Respectfully, I don't know that we've ever had a true picture of how social she was before this. What if she was pretty reclusive already? And anyway, just because a happens, and then b happens, that doesn't mean that a caused b. Acting traumatized after the disappearance doesn't mean that the disappearance caused the trauma. And we don't know that Sherri was screaming that night at her house.

True (knowledge of her social interactions beforehand ), and true (your A & B logic) and true, we don't know for sure that SP was screaming that night.

But....I'd think that her gossipy neighbors & acquaintances would have discussed in great detail, though, the oddity of SP bring kidnapped while out for a jog if she had already been the total never-seen recluse now described.

And....since i think bruises & a broken nose & a branded shoulder & chains & being taken against one's will(for whatever reason) away from one's home & children (leaving out KP on purpose) I think it makes emotional & logical sense that SP was indeed traumatized, which makes it also easy to imagine that she'd have PTSD & was indeed screaming.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I can't help but be interested in the bag she was waving at traffic to get attention after her release. New bag, old bag, used bag, only bag used during her ordeal? Should have her saliva, probably blood from her nose injury, snot from her crying, anything really, DNA from her kidnappers?

Paper? Plastic? Burlap?

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[DeDee]

if that isn't weird af.... all the hats too

Well, you posted this earlier today and I'm just now getting to it. Most every time I see your name in my subscriptions list, I try to come read. You have a way of saying so much with such few words. Giggled a bit over the af. But, frankly, who drives with cardboard wrapping their face? Why aren't these type driver's caught or feel they may not be caught? People live without fear of repercussions.

Many posts have followed and the subject has changed so, I'll catch up on reading today's posts asap. I'm interested in the topic of PTSD, in particular. It is a medical condition not isolated to the armed services personnel in combat situations. Most of the pain involved with PTSD are the dynamic flashbacks of the event, or events, that caused the trauma.

I was enthralled by every word Elizabeth S. revealed about her captivity and her captors. I always felt that Patricia Hearst had Stockholm Syndrome. Her version of revealing how she was handcuffed to the water pipes inside the cabinet of the bathroom was all it took for me to believe her. She was sent to jail without my permission. I watch the Annual Westminster's Championship, whereby, some of her dogs are shown. Neither of those examples come close to SPs story because her story lacks content.

 

[gitana1]

Didn't say that LE believes her story. Suggested the opposite, actually. What LE has said- and I believe it's most likely true- is that they have no reason to not believe that SP was taken against her will, kept against her will, and harmed.

My guess is that they don't believe SP is clueless about who was involved and why she was taken- which would explain a great deal about how they've approached their investigation (the details of which for obvious reasons
have not been made public) and what they have communicated to the public.

I can't tell if you're talking about your own post or someone else's?

 

[gitana1]

Well, you posted this earlier today and I'm just now getting to it. Most every time I see your name in my subscriptions list, I try to come read. You have a way of saying so much with such few words. Giggled a bit over the af. But, frankly, who drives with cardboard wrapping their face? Why aren't these type driver's caught or feel they may not be caught? People live without fear of repercussions.

Many posts have followed and the subject has changed so, I'll catch up on reading today's posts asap. I'm interested in the topic of PTSD, in particular. It is a medical condition not isolated to the armed services personnel in combat situations. Most of the pain involved with PTSD are the dynamic flashbacks of the event, or events, that caused the trauma.

I was enthralled by every word Elizabeth S. revealed about her captivity and her captors. I always felt that Patricia Hearst had Stockholm Syndrome. Her version of revealing how she was handcuffed to the water pipes inside the cabinet of the bathroom was all it took for me to believe her. She was sent to jail without my permission. I watch the Annual Westminster's Championship, whereby, some of her dogs are shown. Neither of those examples come close to SPs story because her story lacks content.

I see some Asian ladies who go to extreme lengths to protect their skin from sun damage. So that's what I instantly thought that was about!

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2010/06/17/reference/vader-ladies/#.WgueEFtSyM8

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...athers-wear-masks-beat-suns-harmful-rays.html

 

[Deleted member 50844]

My husband has severe combat PTSD from Desert Storm. I WISH he would/could forget his traumatic experiences.
Living with him, I have unfortunately learned quite a bit about memories.
I agree with what most of you are saying here. PTSD doesn't block out memories. No, it hangs right onto them and assaults their holder sometimes with the slightest of triggers.
A smell, a sound, taste of a food, even just random words.
I find it difficult to believe that she can't remember anything. Of course, all people are different, so I can't call her an out and out liar.
It's just one of the parts of this whole production that makes me doubt that she is being truthful, for whatever reason.