Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #23

[LadyL]

just to add some more personal testimony

I've experienced many traumatic episodes ... some of them I remember, some I don't ... and I've had therapists tell me it's common not to remember or to remember out of sequence or to just get flashes of memory or to remember very specific details because during the event, you might completely zone out to avoid dealing with it or you might hyper-focus on certain things to avoid dealing with the more terrible thing that is happening and many abused know about out-of-body experiences too ... the mind does whatever it can to survive and memory is certainly affected

I think all traumatic experiences cause PTSD and it's just a matter of degrees IMO

having said all that, I don't believe one word of SP's story

Unfortunately, you can lose your memory of traumatic events. I have no memory of one, but witnesses and le/hospital photos after the event. It was ten years ago and I have no recollection of a few minutes. Never have. But I don't think it works the way Sherri seems to be experiencing it.

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My doctor says that you can not remember traumatic events because your brain is trying to protect you. That's how it was explained to me since I have no memory of something that happened to me. It happens. But I don't think Sherri is in this category.

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I think it depends on the person, and where they are in the process of healing.

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[bears10]

People wont believe their loved one is dead until there's no hope left. That doesn't happen in two weeks.

I would do anything to get my spouse back or child or any loved one.

She was released after he listed the reward. Immediately after.

Not to split hairs, but the ransom expired on wed morning, the day before the thanksgiving miracle.


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[gitana1]

Not to split hairs, but the ransom expired on wed morning, the day before the thanksgiving miracle.


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Yes. And it went from a ransom of 50K to a reward of 100k. The day the ransom expired.

 

[bears10]

Yes. And it went from a ransom of 50K to a reward of 100k. The day the ransom expired.

Didn’t it become a reward for the apprehension of the abductor(s) once the ransom expired? Also didn’t her family offer a $50k reward initially and the $100k was a combo of the expired “reverse ransom” and the family reward? Idk, I’m going off memory.

Anyway I can’t imagine the money had anything to do with her reappearance. I would really hope LE would know by now if a reward was paid out by the family or AD. There is paperwork involved with withdrawing such large amounts of cash. Cash withdrawals or deposits over 10k require a CTR to be filed. I can’t imagine LE wouldn’t know by now if the latinas were paid the reward money.


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[gitana1]

Didn’t it become a reward for the apprehension of the abductor(s) once the ransom expired? Also didn’t her family offer a $50k reward initially and the $100k was a combo of the expired “reverse ransom” and the family reward? Idk, I’m going off memory.

Anyway I can’t imagine the money had anything to do with her reappearance. I would really hope LE would know by now if a reward was paid out by the family or AD. There is paperwork involved with withdrawing such large amounts of cash. Cash withdrawals or deposits over 10k require a CTR to be filed. I can’t imagine LE wouldn’t know by now if the latinas were paid the reward money.


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I stated she was released once he listed the reward. That is true. I didn't mention ransom.

And I think it had a lot to do with the release. The timing sure bears that out. Either:

1. The captors got scared that the heat was too high and wanted to get rid of her. (Although many would kill her instead of take the chance to release her.)
2. She got scared that someone would notice her and speak up now that there was a 100k reward.
3. Someone staged this/did this to SP in order to get publicity for themselves or their group, knew it would have to end at some point, wanted their actions to be seen as the reason this darling mom was released via a Thanksgiving Day miracle and so changed the "ransom" to reward and had her released.

Gamble, who calls himself an international kidnapping ransom consultant, and the anonymous donor set up a website and offered a large cash ransom.
“One of the big things was finding a creative way to get her story out there bigger,” Gamble told “20/20.”
Like Keith, Gamble was convinced that Sherri had been abducted. He was also confident that Keith wasn’t involved, and that Sherri didn’t walk way voluntarily.
Though investigators did not support Gamble’s involvement, Keith said he was willing to do anything to get Sherri home.
“For me, I was going to do everything I could to get my wife back, and if this was going to work, I was going to try it,” Keith said.
On Nov. 23, the day before Thanksgiving, Gamble posted a video online informing Sherri’s alleged captors that the ransom was “off the table” and calling for the public to find Sherri in exchange for a hefty reward.
“I wanted to make it so tempting that the abductor’s own mother would have turned him in,” Gamble said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sherri-pap...erious-disappearance-search/story?id=43930023

BBM

[FONT=&amp]Another curious part of the story has been the role played by a self-described “international kidnap and ransom consultant” named Cameron Gamble. Gamble posted a video offering an undisclosed amount of money as a “ransom” for Papini’s safe return.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Then, when he got no response, Gamble posted another video offering the money as a reward for information leading to the kidnappers. He said the sum was put up by a concerned person who wanted to remain anonymous.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Papini turned up free the next morning, with Gamble claiming that his reward had put pressure on the kidnappers. Police said they don’t believe it had anything to with her release.

http://www.ocregister.com/2016/12/02/chains-and-branded-skin-kidnapping-case-baffles-cops/

BBM.[/FONT]

 

[Rayemonde]

I'm just leaving a link because I don't want to get the threads confused.
THIS IS WHAT AN "FBI" sketch artist does!

SP "pictures" are embarrassing and look like they were done in the 70's.
This tells me they didn't really do them.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13756889

MOO

Dunno, not all fbi sketches are like that.

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap/unknown-individual-john-doe-37

 

[drama_farmer]

She's already pretty bruised up from self-injuring, so it's not a huge leap to think she maybe added a few more, ran to any home improvement store to get some kidnapping gear, and found herself a ride to the interstate where she was guaranteed to be found.

Snipped and BBM

When I first heard of the type of restraints she was wearing, bells went off in my head. It reminded me of playing cops/robbers or re-creating scenes from "Batman" when I was a kid. Zip ties, hose clamps, a length of chain. . . all items I would have found in either the garage or cellar workshop. With a bit of creativity and zero investment. . . make believe can feel almost real for a time.

IMO
And, just an observation about those hose clamps: I've actually used them in the past for fastening things together (not body parts). It takes a bit of maneuvering and some leverage to actually tighten them. I've been trying to imagine a scenario where a captive would hold still as the captor guided a screwdriver into the slot, grasped the loose end of the clamp, then proceeded to turn the screwdriver blade in the correct direction (righty tighty, lefty loosey). IIRC, it takes a few "turns" to actually tighten the clamp just a little bit. Certainly not an efficient or quick way to inflict pain.

Maybe it says something about her tormentors. . . inept, broke, and patient? Or, something else?

 

[bears10]

I stated she was released once he listed the reward. That is true. I didn't mention ransom.

And I think it had a lot to do with the release. The timing sure bears that out. Either:

1. The captors got scared that the heat was too high and wanted to get rid of her. (Although many would kill her instead of take the chance to release her.)
2. She got scared that someone would notice her and speak up now that there was a 100k reward.
3. Someone staged this/did this to SP in order to get publicity for themselves or their group, knew it would have to end at some point, wanted their actions to be seen as the reason this darling mom was released via a Thanksgiving Day miracle and so changed the "ransom" to reward and had her released.

Gamble, who calls himself an international kidnapping ransom consultant, and the anonymous donor set up a website and offered a large cash ransom.
“One of the big things was finding a creative way to get her story out there bigger,” Gamble told “20/20.”
Like Keith, Gamble was convinced that Sherri had been abducted. He was also confident that Keith wasn’t involved, and that Sherri didn’t walk way voluntarily.
Though investigators did not support Gamble’s involvement, Keith said he was willing to do anything to get Sherri home.
“For me, I was going to do everything I could to get my wife back, and if this was going to work, I was going to try it,” Keith said.
On Nov. 23, the day before Thanksgiving, Gamble posted a video online informing Sherri’s alleged captors that the ransom was “off the table” and calling for the public to find Sherri in exchange for a hefty reward.
“I wanted to make it so tempting that the abductor’s own mother would have turned him in,” Gamble said.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sherri-pap...erious-disappearance-search/story?id=43930023

BBM

[FONT=&amp]Another curious part of the story has been the role played by a self-described “international kidnap and ransom consultant” named Cameron Gamble. Gamble posted a video offering an undisclosed amount of money as a “ransom” for Papini’s safe return.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Then, when he got no response, Gamble posted another video offering the money as a reward for information leading to the kidnappers. He said the sum was put up by a concerned person who wanted to remain anonymous.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Papini turned up free the next morning, with Gamble claiming that his reward had put pressure on the kidnappers. Police said they don’t believe it had anything to with her release.

http://www.ocregister.com/2016/12/02/chains-and-branded-skin-kidnapping-case-baffles-cops/

BBM.[/FONT]

I’m on tapatalk so I can’t see what you’re bolding. But I’m lol at CG thinking $100k is “so tempting”. I think he meant well with this whole thing but he just ended up looking like a joke to many people.

There was always a $50k reward out there by the family. I mean I guess adding another $50k could put pressure on the latinas but in all honesty, $100k really isn’t a lot of money.

I think the date of SPs return is def interesting (thanksgiving morning) but I don’t think it’s bc of CG and the weird reward situation. Maybe pieces of the puzzle make sense when they are spread out on a table, but when you try to put them together they make no sense to me.


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[Pamela_Brewer]

I’m on tapatalk so I can’t see what you’re bolding. But I’m lol at CG thinking $100k is “so tempting”. I think he meant well with this whole thing but he just ended up looking like a joke to many people.

There was always a $50k reward out there by the family. I mean I guess adding another $50k could put pressure on the latinas but in all honesty, $100k really isn’t a lot of money.

I think the date of SPs return is def interesting (thanksgiving morning) but I don’t think it’s bc of CG and the weird reward situation. Maybe pieces of the puzzle make sense when they are spread out on a table, but when you try to put them together they make no sense to me.


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It's a 3D puzzle don't cha know!?

MOO

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I'm just leaving a link because I don't want to get the threads confused.
THIS IS WHAT AN "FBI" sketch artist does!

SP "pictures" are embarrassing and look like they were done in the 70's.
This tells me they didn't really do them.
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13756889

MOO

Maybe they had an intern do them. [emoji23]🤣[emoji28]

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[Pamela_Brewer]

Maybe they had an intern do them. [emoji23]🤣[emoji28]

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Or CA has bad ones.
This on, for Bob Harrod, isn't much better.

MOO

 

[bears10]

Maybe they had an intern do them. [emoji23]🤣[emoji28]

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Kind of OT but this article about a Michigan LE sketch artist is pretty interesting. It also mentions the importance of eyebrows multiple times lol

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2014/10/portrait_of_a_sketch_artist_ms.html


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[bears10]

Or CA has bad ones.
This on, for Bob Harrod, isn't much better.

MOO

This one is Texas but I think it wins

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chro...of-Muppet-police-sketch-nabbed-in-5189931.php


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[Pamela_Brewer]

"Unknown individuals"

MOO

 

[bears10]

"Unknown individuals"

MOO

Not persons of interest or suspects.

FWIW I don’t think the drawings are so bad that the FBI didn’t do them. Otherwise I don’t think they’d post them on their website. But again, the FBI website never says the words “abduction” “kidnapping” “suspects” “persons of interest”.


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[Pamela_Brewer]

Not persons of interest or suspects.

FWIW I don’t think the drawings are so bad that the FBI didn’t do them. Otherwise I don’t think they’d post them on their website. But again, the FBI website never says the words “abduction” “kidnapping” “suspects” “persons of interest”.


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They look ugly and dirty. So I guess they are well done.


MOO

 

[gitana1]

I’m on tapatalk so I can’t see what you’re bolding. But I’m lol at CG thinking $100k is “so tempting”. I think he meant well with this whole thing but he just ended up looking like a joke to many people.

There was always a $50k reward out there by the family. I mean I guess adding another $50k could put pressure on the latinas but in all honesty, $100k really isn’t a lot of money.

I think the date of SPs return is def interesting (thanksgiving morning) but I don’t think it’s bc of CG and the weird reward situation. Maybe pieces of the puzzle make sense when they are spread out on a table, but when you try to put them together they make no sense to me.


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Its 100 k plus 50k. And I don't think it's enough to turn in your mother. But it's certainly a lot of money for most people in America.

Regardless, it all plays into the narrative of the nasty illegals abducting cute, white soccer moms off the street and the "ministry" of this guy from this major, controversial church that's taken over the city, being the one to crack the case and rescue her, by appealing to the greed and poverty of the "illegals" families or associates.

It is a big coincidence that she was released on the day after the reward was issued.

What he doesn't understand is that undocumented persons would be terrified to come forward to claim a reward or to have any kind of dealings with law enforcement at all.

 

[gitana1]

Maybe they had an intern do them. [emoji23]藍[emoji28]

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Heck. There's only so much that can be done with little info.

 

[bears10]

Its 100 k plus 50k. And I don't think it's enough to turn in your mother. But it's certainly a lot of money for most people in America.

Regardless, it all plays into the narrative of the nasty illegals abducting cute, white soccer moms off the street and the "ministry" of this guy from this major, controversial church that's taken over the city, being the one to crack the case and rescue her, by appealing to the greed and poverty of the "illegals" families or associates.

It is a big coincidence that she was released on the day after the reward was issued.

What he doesn't understand is that undocumented persons would be terrified to come forward to claim a reward or to have any kind of dealings with law enforcement at all.

I don’t recall the $100k plus $50k. So sorry about that if that’s the case.

Even if it was $150k, that isn’t a lot of money for most people when it comes time to turn in two violent Latina kidnappers who very well may have associates who could do worse than kidnap you and drop you off on the side of the highway in time for thanksgiving dinner. But I also don’t think the two Latina kidnappers exist so there’s that.

I’m not a defender of CG in general bc I think he’s lied about his credentials and is an opportunist. But I’ve witnessed his AMAs and I really don’t think he had anything to do with this. LJ apparently approached him to be the “hostage negotiator” or whatever, and he agreed. He doesn’t seem like a bad dude to me. Just cringey.

I also don’t remember him saying anything about the latinas or their hypothetical acquaintances being undocumented.


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[Hoosier952]

Snipped and BBM

When I first heard of the type of restraints she was wearing, bells went off in my head. It reminded me of playing cops/robbers or re-creating scenes from "Batman" when I was a kid. Zip ties, hose clamps, a length of chain. . . all items I would have found in either the garage or cellar workshop. With a bit of creativity and zero investment. . . make believe can feel almost real for a time.

IMO
And, just an observation about those hose clamps: I've actually used them in the past for fastening things together (not body parts). It takes a bit of maneuvering and some leverage to actually tighten them. I've been trying to imagine a scenario where a captive would hold still as the captor guided a screwdriver into the slot, grasped the loose end of the clamp, then proceeded to turn the screwdriver blade in the correct direction (righty tighty, lefty loosey). IIRC, it takes a few "turns" to actually tighten the clamp just a little bit. Certainly not an efficient or quick way to inflict pain.

Maybe it says something about her tormentors. . . inept, broke, and patient? Or, something else?

I use hose clamps a lot at work and occasionally at home and use a cordless drill because I don't have the patience to tighten them with a screwdriver on non-moving objects, I also cannot imagine attempting it on a non-cooperative person. Maybe the gun was enough to get her to cooperate, but the time it would take doesn't seem worth it. Zip-ties would be faster, but I certainly wouldn't leave my captive alone with them on for any period of time.

I think her kidnappers or whoever were broke and used what they had around the house. They were probably trying to save money to pay for the increased water bill for the month.