Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #4

[Dushi]

The video where the officer is talking about searching rso's there is a shasta county k9 search and rescue vehicle in the background.

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So a K9 search and rescue dog would be trained to track a person by scent?
I had a bomb dog living next door and he would not be able to track anything but explosives

 

[Alexsea]

The video where the officer is talking about searching rso's there is a shasta county k9 search and rescue vehicle in the background.

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Okay, I should have qualified. On a fresh scent a dog trained to track should be able to mark something. But sometimes you just work with what you have. I wonder what they have.


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[Tuliptiptoe]

If they suspected someone in the family is responsible wouldn't they be searching for a body? They usually like to have a body to convict.

If they suspected suicide they'd be looking for a body.

The abductions I've followed they've released timelines and vehicle descriptions asking for people to call in with tips. Maybe if they know who abducted her they would not do this?

The only thing I can think of that might stop the searches is if they were pretty confident she left voluntarily. Or maybe if they suspect a hoax.

What other reasons would there be for stopping, rather than expanding, the searches so soon? Esp when the victim was last seen on foot..





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[marinthinker]

I asked my husband this question. He said his dog would not be able to pick up a scent days later. Maybe a bloodhound but not an apprehension and drug dog like his. I wonder what type of dogs they used to search for Sherri.

The bloodhound used in Hannah Graham's case was able to track her even four days after her disappearance. (She was last seen in the early morning hours of September 13, and the bloodhound tracked her on September 16 and 17.)

http://www.c-ville.com/bloodhound-center-jesse-matthew-hearing/ [This article misstates the date Hannah was last seen as September 14. She encountered Jesse Matthew the night of September 12/13.]


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There are a lot successful K9 rescue stories out there. Also many ways a dog can search: scent, tracking, trailing, wilderness airscent, etc. A dog trained to find missing persons is also trained to be friendly when that person is found. Not something desirable when tracking a criminal.

It's the role of LE to get K9 assistance early in the search. And, to get assistance from a K9 Team matched to the task.


2014 - Win in the news
Win followed scents 25 miles to where man had driven.
Former FBI Canine Specialist Trains Dogs to Find the Lost
http://www.850businessmagazine.com/A...Find-the-Lost/


2011 - Willow in the news
Pomona's bloodhound Willow honored as hero after finding Northern California murder suspect
http://www.dailybreeze.com/20111012...er-finding-northern-california-murder-suspect

2016 - Deja in the news
Very Good Dog: K-9 Rescues Kidnapped Girl
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/K-9-Rescues-Kidnapped-Girl-rancho-cucamonga-388343712.html

Koen in the News
Koen is specially certified in what's called Wilderness Airscent, effective in finding hunters and hikers across large areas without giving the dog a specific scent to start with, like a piece of clothing.

'He gets a steak tonight!': K9 team helps find missing teen hikers
http://katu.com/news/local/he-gets-a-steak-tonight-k9-team-helps-find-missing-teen-hikers-11-20-2015​

 

[liz b.]

I feel like no scent is odd, if that's truly the case. I've seen them lose scent, or track the wrong direction, but nothing at all? The dogs and their handlers are pretty incredible. But it's not a perfect service.

I am wondering about the cameras. I posted on a previous thread how popular they are in my neighborhood. Almost every single house gets the big multi-camera set up from Costco. We even have dash cams on our vehicle. It would be impossible for someone to jog down our street and not be seen, but I'm not rural. And my husband loves it all, big time "techi", with Keith working at best buy, he might be one too.

My mil is rural, they have multiple cameras, mostly wildlife cameras for entertainment purposes, but they have one at the gate of their property.

I keep thinking about what PI Garcia said after talking with the family and walking around "it's strange no one saw an abduction". I wonder if lots of cameras made him think that.

Jmo



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TY . Have been trying to find that quote. And, it is very telling that he would say that...jmo

 

[Alexsea]

There are a lot successful K9 rescue stories out there. Also many ways a dog can search: scent, tracking, trailing, wilderness airscent, etc. A dog trained to find missing persons is also trained to be friendly when that person is found. Not something desirable when tracking a criminal.

It's the role of LE to get K9 assistance early in the search.


2014 - Win in the news
Win followed scents 25 miles to where man had driven.
Former FBI Canine Specialist Trains Dogs to Find the Lost
http://www.850businessmagazine.com/A...Find-the-Lost/


2011 - Willow in the news
Pomona's bloodhound Willow honored as hero after finding Northern California murder suspect
http://www.dailybreeze.com/20111012...er-finding-northern-california-murder-suspect

2016 - Deja in the news
Very Good Dog: K-9 Rescues Kidnapped Girl
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/K-9-Rescues-Kidnapped-Girl-rancho-cucamonga-388343712.html

Koen in the News
Koen is specially certified in what's called Wilderness Airscent, effective in finding hunters and hikers across large areas without giving the dog a specific scent to start with, like a piece of clothing.

'He gets a steak tonight!': K9 team helps find missing teen hikers
http://katu.com/news/local/he-gets-a-steak-tonight-k9-team-helps-find-missing-teen-hikers-11-20-2015​

Exactly. Right dogs for the job.


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[creepcrusher]

Thinking a lot about this. I'd like to know what dogs they had working this case too. There's a difference between a drug dog, a bomb dog, a SAR dog, an apprehension dog, a cadaver dog, and a bloodhound, just for example. If what LE had available was a drug dog (likely given the area), I wouldn't be surprised if the result was negative. I've been training for 20 years and have taken some classes from LE trainers. Tracking dogs are specialists. Usually for an MP a bloodhound or other specially trained scent hound is best bet.


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I'd like to know why they don't just use every kind of scent dog they can- especially when they come up with nothing. If one kind of dog doesn't find a scent, bring in the other, then another until something is picked up. If nothing is picked up after using all of the above- move on.


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[Dockins]

When taking a polygraph, isn't there typically an interview with the person before and after the administration? I've seen where LE can lie and say someone failed during the post interview in an attempt to get more info, but never to the public. If they tell the public someone passed, then it's on record and would be a good way to sway a jury if someone saw it on the news, even if it doesn't make the trial. I don't believe LE would lie about someone passing on record for this reason.

 

[JLM_36]

Are you referring to Red Bluff street address? That is the city offices in Shasta Lake city.

Curious as to what y'all make of yesterday's police log. There is no narrative given on the calls relating to SP's case (page 1). The address given in one is also referenced on page 25. I'm not sure how to interpret these codes. Could it be suspicious circumstances? IMO, the calls aren't long enough to indicate any real findings. Does anyone recall seeing this address in previous logs? Maybe an abandoned property with squatters? Just speculating.

http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/docs/Sheriff/daily-logs/11-15-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=2

 

[Jazz]

KP request before city council requesting they be allowed to do an event - balloon release
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews_RS/status/798709260888768512?s=07

 

[soanyway]

Thank you for saying this! I do understand how many of these cases lead back to the spouse. But IMO, there's been nothing to indicate that KP is anything other than a loving husband extremely concerned about his wife. He's obviously distraught as is the rest of her family. They're living a nightmare they can't wake up from. He's a techie, so it's not surprising that he used the app to find her phone (likely having called it first, but we don't know for sure). From everything we've seen about SP, she was very organized and the type that would stick to a schedule. So it had to be upsetting to KP to arrive home and find her and the kids not there. For all we know, he could've tried calling her on the way home seeing that she hadn't responded to his 1:30 text about not coming home for lunch. She's a SAHM, so going off radar for 3 hours could be highly out of character for her. It could've even prompted him to shorten what would've been a longer day. We're not privy to all the dynamics in their relationship, nor should we be. JMO

The young mother vanished without a trace last week. Sherri Papini's husband told KRCR-TV in California, he came home from work last Wednesday and she was nowhere to be found.
"I'm coming honey. I am trying, I'm doing everything I can and I love you," said Keith Papini.
Keith Papini said he searched the house, their property and learned their two young children were still at daycare.

http://fox8.com/2016/11/07/reward-offered-for-missing-mom-of-two-from-california/

I look at the things we have seen...all the pictures we can find as a couple show that his body language is absolutely loving her...he basically presses his head to hers and turns himself towards her...the fact that he comes home for lunch, that gives one a feeling of a couple that checks in with each other and spend time together, he wouldnt do things like that if he wasn't seeking her out ...she's wrapping gifts for him that seem sentimental, not a tie...know what I mean?

 

[Abstar80]

The kids were at daycare, so they wouldn't have interrupted her with the gift wrapping. Maybe the phone rang, who knows. We don't know alot about Keith as a person, perhaps he is hyper vigilant by nature. If I come home and my husband isn't here and he didn't tell me he was going anywhere, I scan the house for reasons he might be gone....Are the bins gone, did he go to the tip, is the dog in the yard did he take it to the dog park etc.....
To put your mind at ease, there is an article that states that Keith found the phone by using the find my phone app which led him directly to the phone. I just don't have the link on me at the moment.

 

[Sillybilly]

In case anyone missed this post in a previous thread:

LE has apparently cleared KP of having any involvement in Sherri's disappearance. Please stop all speculation as it relates to him unless/until LE advises otherwise. Zero tolerance for speculative posts in that regard. Post will be removed and consequences could involve a temporary loss of posting privileges, or worse.

On another note, posts containing "inside information", and responses to those posts, have been removed. If the provider of such information is not Verified, those posts must be considered rumor and rumors cannot be discussed at Websleuths.

from:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ing-2-November-2016-2&p=12926923#post12926923

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Well whatever is suspicious or not suspicious we know there is:

* No crime scene
* No official abduction
* No searches
* No requests for help from public
* No more press conferences
* No Sherri

??????

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[darring21]

Well whatever is suspicious or not suspicious we know there is:

* No crime scene
* No official abduction
* No searches
* No requests for help from public
* No more press conferences
* No Sherri

??????

I think this is important. What does that tell us? Suicide? Voluntary? Good lead on a suspect? LE incompetence?

 

[creepcrusher]

This sounds like the debate we've been having all along. It might not have even been her jogging.

 

[AmandaSkis]

LE has provided a timeline in a video, which does NOT include a 2:00 sighting.

11/2/16
10:37 AM SP texts KP asking if he'll be home for lunch
11:00 AM-ish SP is possibly seen jogging (by tree cutters) (near Sunrise Drive and Sundust Road?)
12:00 PM-ish is SP's phone loses connection
1:39 PM KP responds to text that he won't be home for lunch
4:30 - 5:00 PM-ish KP returns home to empty house and SP's car is in driveway
KP calls daycare
KP tracks SP's phone with find my phone app
KP locates SP's phone on side of road at Old Oregon Trail and Sunrise Drive intersection
5:51 PM Husband reports Sherri missing (as reported by MSM) AND

The 2:00 pm sighting has not been named by LE. In fact, they purposefully and intentionally omitted the 2:00 reference from their official timeline.

Police Logs http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/index/sheriff_index/daily_logs.aspx

I know that we have discussed and debated the meaning of her phone "losing connection" at noon but I am wondering if that means it was the last time she used her phone. Does it mean her phone was shut off at noon? Or her last communication was at noon? If the latter, then maybe that last communication was important.

 

[sumzero]

I think this is important. What does that tell us? Suicide? Voluntary? Good lead on a suspect? LE incompetence?

Dead end with leads?

 

[Westsloper]

Actually no:
http://q13fox.com/2016/02/10/womans-body-was-in-wal-mart-parking-lot-for-months-police-say/
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...d-where-his-body-has-been-for-last-six-months
There's many ways where you wouldn't find someone's body, even if they want their body to be found (like the Wal-Mart suicide). She for instance could have hopped on a bus and gone to parts unknown. Months and years can go by, even when there's been an active search.

she would have been seen unless she got a ride to bus station and there would've been sightings she's too noticable

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

This sounds like the debate we've been having all along. It might not have even been her.

Might not have been her and might have been mistaken on the day if it was her routine.

No timeline for the first part of her day.

I don't know what to make of it all. Wish they'd make some sort of statement. The people living in that neighborhood must be feeling pretty uneasy right now if the general thought is stranger abduction.


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