Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #5

[Tuliptiptoe]

http://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2016/11/03/california-woman-missing-possibly-abducted/93261962/

But I still find it interesting that she was seen what seems like right before her disappearance in same area.

SBM

Maybe that's why PI Garcia found it so strange no one saw an abduction.

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[creepcrusher]

"As of today, Sherri is considered a Missing Person, At Risk with Suspicious Circumstances."

I think this is the first time I've read those words come from the Sheriff's mouth.

Did the Feds find something today? Two updates on two consecutive days- that's a record for this case.


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[Irishboy]

IMO the 2:00 is not her.
Daycare has normal hours and extended hours for dual working parents, hourly to like 6:00PM. I would think she would "normally" pick them up at 2-3PM. a "school day". She would have been going to the center.
All we have is that someone resembling her was sighted earlier. The cell was apparently used to text KP at 10:30AM and went off at 12:00. The ping data will be very interesting.

 

[Hoosier952]

SBM

Maybe that's why PI Garcia found it so strange no one saw an abduction.

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Would someone even know they were witnessing an abduction? I know they can happen quickly, but what if it was a more controlled abduction rather than just snatching some random person of the street?

If SP was at the mail boxes with her back turned and someone walked up to her, pointed a weapon (or a finger) at her back and told her to walk, would a neighbor necessarily know what they were seeing? Might it just look like SP chatting with someone? How many people would have been available to see it on a standard work day in the first place? How many people are constantly watching out their windows for something interesting to happen? Especially in a rural area.

 

[glassheater]

I do hope that if she was last seen speaking to someone, that information would of been included.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

Would someone even know they were witnessing an abduction? I know they can happen quickly, but what if it was a more controlled abduction rather than just snatching some random person of the street?

If SP was at the mail boxes with her back turned and someone walked up to her, pointed a weapon (or a finger) at her back and told her to walk, would a neighbor necessarily know what they were seeing? Might it just look like SP chatting with someone? How many people would have been available to see it on a standard work day in the first place? How many people are constantly watching out their windows for something interesting to happen? Especially in a rural area.

I know I read in one of these articles neighbors were asked about suspicious vehicles.

Even if at the moment they didn't notice anything alarming, after the fact they likely would have remembered the blond girl they saw jogging getting into a vehicle, or a certain vehicle they don't recognize as a neighbors.
Jmo

But maybe they did, we just aren't privy to the info.

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[glassheater]

If the 2p.m. was indeed her......someone mentioned that maybe her phone had fallen out. It very well could be that she texted her husband and went out. Maybe her phone fell from her pocket as someone suggested. She went back home without realizing it. Her phone maybe was lower on battery and died around noon. Then she went back out looking for it. Seems unrealistic but who knows at this point.

 

[bluesneakers]

I imagine it would need to be before 430. If Keith anticipated them being home around 5, wouldn't she need to have left to pick up kids before 430 to be back home by that time? They're in a rural area.

And she was on foot so it's not like she was on her way to the daycare...



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I think no matter what there's a two hour period during which she could have gone missing. Even if she left on her own - last seen at 2pm, discovered missing between 4:30 and 5pm. Someone could have grabbed her at the mailbox at 2pm, or at home around 4pm, or she could have left from the mailboxes at 2pm when she was last seen. Which would also mean if she left on her own she could be two hours ahead of anyone searching for her.

JMO

 

[Classy1]

There is a very interesting post from someone on the HFSP site in the visitors postings from about 45 min. ago. Did anyone see it?

 

[blackeyedcat10]

Would be nice to have some concrete facts about the case but not much being released we can put anything together..

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[LisaWL7TR]

There is a very interesting post from someone on the HFSP site in the visitors postings from about 45 min. ago. Did anyone see it?

That poster also posted something not as interesting on the other HFSP on Nov 11th.

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[creepcrusher]

The crazies come out on that page.


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[rosesfromangels]

"As of today, Sherri is considered a Missing Person, At Risk with Suspicious Circumstances."

I think this is the first time I've read those words come from the Sheriff's mouth.

Did the Feds find something today? Two updates on two consecutive days- that's a record for this case.


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I would think his new proclamation is in response to the public outrage at his previous stance on her status.

 

[haven71]

creepcrusher

Quote Originally Posted by jdj125 View Post
My gut tells me she left on her own. My head says.....but who would leave their kids voluntarily........

This is a tough one and I waiver constantly, but the scale tips to one side a little more for me....
Not just her kids- her entire family- her friends- her life...

I know this is a possibility. I can't understand why someone would do it, but I'm aware that it happens.

I'm still on the fence between her being taken against her will, or her leaving voluntarily.

Part of me wonders if the family has been told by LE she left on her own, but the family won't accept it. They still believe she was forced, and LE doesn't have the evidence to support it, so they're backing down.

I feel like if the evidence they have could equally go both ways they would treat it more like an abduction, for the safety of the missing person. I could easily be off base though. I'm stumped.

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Creep, I have the exact same feeling. She left voluntarily and the family won't accept it. Just my opinion.

I tend to agree. I feel like the family isn't "looking" for Sherri, they're pleading with Sherri and/or the person she is with for her return. That makes sense to me from the mother's interview, where she said she was angry at the person who knew her and took her (paraphrasing here). But I wonder if she is also angry with her daughter for running away, but wanting to place the blame on her running partner (no pun intended) because who wants to believe a woman would leave her own kids and husband? Maybe she's not sure how "voluntary" it is and is trying to entice him to come back with her with the reward money.

JMO.

 

[creepcrusher]

I would think his new proclamation is in response to the public outrage at his previous stance on her status.

I agree. It sure sounds like he's been reading through everybody's complaints.


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[rosesfromangels]

I agree. It sure sounds like he's been reading through everybody's complaints.


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Well I'm not sure when he's up for reelection, but he certainly hasn't been impressing (thus far) on this case. All will be forgiven when he brings her home. Giddy up Sheriff!

 

[soanyway]

I agree and as you noted the $50,000 pales in comparison to the $300,000 street value. That said, the link below notes the U.S. trafficker averages an annual clear profit of $67,382 per victim, so the $50,000 would still be a good business decision. Sadly, it is all about supply and demand. I know I sound like a broken record, but the statistics are staggering and many of the myths surround human trafficking can only be dispelled through increased awareness. MOO

There are an estimated 27 million adults and 13 million children around the world who are victims of human trafficking.

An estimated 30,000 victims of sex trafficking die each year from abuse, disease, torture, and neglect. Eighty percent of those sold into sexual slavery are under 24, and some are as young as six years old.

A human trafficker can earn 20 times what he or she paid for a girl. Provided the girl was not physically brutalized to the point of ruining her beauty, the pimp could sell her again for a greater price because he had trained her and broken her spirit, which saves future buyers the hassle. A 2003 study in the Netherlands found that, on average, a single sex slave earned her pimp at least $250,000 a year.

Most human trafficking in the United States occurs in New York, California, and Florida.

Sex traffickers use a variety of ways to “condition” their victims, including subjecting them to starvation, rape, gang rape, physical abuse, beating, confinement, threats of violence toward the victim and victim’s family, forced drug use, and shame.

Human trafficking is estimated to surpass the drug trade in less than five years. Journalist Victor Malarek reports that it is primarily men who are driving human trafficking, specifically trafficking for sex.

In approximately 54% of human trafficking cases, the recruiter is a stranger, and in 46% of the cases, the recruiters know the victim. Fifty-two percent of human trafficking recruiters are men, 42% are women, and 6% are both men and women.

Human traffickers are increasingly trafficking pregnant women for their newborns. Babies are sold on the black market, where the profit is divided between the traffickers, doctors, lawyers, border officials, and others. The mother is usually paid less than what is promised her, citing the cost of travel and creating false documents. A mother might receive as little as a few hundred dollars for her baby.

Human trafficking has been reported in all 50 states, Washington, D.C., and in some U.S. territories.

The FBI estimates that over 100,000 children and young women are trafficked in America today. They range in age from nine to 19, with the average being age 11. Many victims are not just runaways or abandoned, but are from “good” families who are coerced by clever traffickers.

http://www.factretriever.com/human-trafficking-facts
http://inpublicsafety.com/2014/04/tips-for-identifying-suspected-victims-of-human-trafficking/

I can't stop thinking about human trafficking. Those people are ruthless animals. I'm not surprised at the website offering money. Unfortunately one of the news articles I just read on the subject puts the street value of a subject at closer to $300,000, depending on what the "buyer" is looking for.

Perhaps going after non minors who happen to have the appearance of youth helps these traffickers get away with it. Adults are apparently free to just disappear.If human traffickers got SP it's not gonna be easy or given she makes it thru. But there's a chance.

Fbi and others have been busting up a lot of rings. I wonder though, doesn't it just free up the market for other criminals to step up and take their place.Truly a tragic thing that slavers rapists and kidnappers are becoming a common thing in USA.I don't understand the way they are, these rapists and serial killers. I understand hate and i understand appetite, but how a single human being becomes so infected by both, is amazing.And to think that in many countries women are at the mercy of these types.

Please don't let USA become more like those terrible places.... I'm hoping the authorities have more luck with this case.Troubling not because she's "so pretty" or "so perfect". For the simple fact there are too many similar victims and cases nearly identical all over the country. How can they say there's no link.Sorry for rant. I guess im one of those morons who needs a reason for everything in a senseless world.

 

[wfgodot]

Human traffickers do not truck in respectable 30-something married women, whose disappearance is guaranteed to wreak investigative havoc; rather they are at the bus stops hoping to pull naive girls away from their first city trips.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Human traffickers do not truck in respectable 30-something married women, whose disappearance is guaranteed to wreak investigative havoc; rather they are at the bus stops hoping to pull naive girls away from their first city trips.

I don't believe this is trafficking. However, let's remember Sherri looks *very* young. She could pass for 17 in her photos.

 

[wfgodot]

I don't believe this is trafficking. However, let's remember Sherri looks *very* young. She could pass for 17 in her photos.

True. But traffickers do not, I would think, operate by snatching suburban joggers.