Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #9

[Ontario Mom]

Because:
- it can be hard to determine injuries at the side of the road at night.
- 'non-life threatening injuries' can mean a lot of things.

It's just that from what we've been told so far it is still ambiguous. Things often end up being quite different from what is first reported.

How in the world can that have any more than ONE meaning? The responding CHP officer said she was battered. The medical staff at the hospital treated her injuries. The Shasta Co. sheriff stated she HAD injuries.

No, we don't know what kind they were, where they were on her physical body or anything else and LE in this case is specifically NOT releasing that info to the public right now - for who knows what reasons. Maybe it's because they were torturous in nature, maybe it's because they would be personally humiliating to Sherri to have the public know, or maybe it's for another reason. LE is not obligated to explain why they don't release certain details and we (the public) are not entitled to certain details of an ongoing investigation. Either way, for whatever reason they're not disclosing to the public what kind of injuries Sherri sustained, she did/does in fact have them.

 

[Sillybilly]

The frustrating thing is that we're not allowed to sleuth motive without appearing as we're sleuthing other people. There is a difference and I feel like this site is too PC. I feel that way but also appreciate it at the same time.

It's not so much about being PC, it's about maintaining credibility and protecting the privacy of innocent people. Like you, eventually most members do come to appreciate it and understand why we have strict TOS. If we allow posting about all our behind the scenes sleuthing, victims' families and other innocent people can have their lives put out there for the world to see and be hurt in the process, or vicious rumors can start and spin out of control. Websleuths is just better than that.

Back to discussing Sherri's case.

 

[Nehemiah]

If a ransom was paid, and LE is/will not be privy to any details. No one in this case will be sharing any incriminating details. To do so would put them in a legal bind, so to speak.

Can you explain the 'legal bind' to which you refer? I've got something in mind that you mean, but I may be on the wrong track. Thanks.

 

[DexterMorgan]

How big is the Shasta County Sheriff's Department? Maybe this Sheriff is out of his league with this case?

Please remember.

She was found on Thanksgiving day.

And most LE is on a minimum roster on such holidays.

Plus it was Black Friday the next day. So of course some LEOs probably had other things on their mind besides releasing certain information on a person that was found safe.

But I truly think that we will get more updates this week. And I also believe that LE will definitely interview SP more this week. Jmo

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Why, yes. Yes. Amazon has everything: Ball and Chain *waits for hellfire :/

Well, guess I know what I'm getting the hubs for Christmas! [emoji4]

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[Gardener1850]

I think I can answer that. Because the sheriff, who held the news conference, is acting so unusually. His response is so very unusual for the facts that have come out. I'm thinking of other LE cases where victims were found still alive, or deceased, and LE SWARMED the scene. More cops than you ever saw in one place were suddenly there. This response has appeared to be so muted that observers of this case are left to wonder what do they know that we don't know.

And the answer may be "nothing". The answer may be that this sheriff's department has dropped the ball, or does things differently than average. I just feel like time is tick tick ticking away to find and apprehend the kidnappers while we sit back and wait for LE to fully interview Sherri.

I watched the press conference a few times and I really don't see what he said or did that was so unusual? And it seems that LE DID swarm the scene. According to the dispatch recording they said it is a "confirmed kidnapping" and requested additional police arrive with lights and sirens: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article117258213.html Media later reported that there had been a heavy police presence all over the area where she was found searching for evidence and the press even posted pictures of evidence markers. They DID question Sherri but also said there was "sensitive info" they are not releasing because this is an ongoing investigation. Just because we are not being told much does not mean the LE is not doing anything.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think I can answer that. Because the sheriff, who held the news conference, is acting so unusually. His response is so very unusual for the facts that have come out. I'm thinking of other LE cases where victims were found still alive, or deceased, and LE SWARMED the scene. More cops than you ever saw in one place were suddenly there. This response has appeared to be so muted that observers of this case are left to wonder what do they know that we don't know.

And the answer may be "nothing". The answer may be that this sheriff's department has dropped the ball, or does things differently than average. I just feel like time is tick tick ticking away to find and apprehend the kidnappers while we sit back and wait for LE to fully interview Sherri.

Maybe my spidey senses are getting dull with old age but I saw/read nothing in his demeanor or statements in the MSM the suggested he was acting "unusually".

 

[JeannaT]

Maybe my spidey senses are getting dull with old age but I saw/read nothing in his demeanor or statements in the MSM the suggested he was acting "unusually".

It's my opinion that his demeanor was unusual, after finding a live victim of a kidnapping after 3 weeks, and he was planning to wait a few days and then get around to interviewing her.

That's unusual behavior for LE. In my opinion.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The dispatch recording states that she was on the freeway, on northbound I5, just south of Yolo.

I know there has been inconsistencies and people stating she was on one of the county roads, but that isn't what is said.

https://m.soundcloud.com/user-941170222/finding-sherri-papini-yolo-county-sheriffs-dispatch

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From all I've read about where she was spotted (both by the lady who couldn't stop in time and by the truck driver who did stop) it sounds as if she was released on the county road and made her way to I-5 where there'd naturally be more traffic. I mean, it would be the logical thing to do, right? To get someone to notice you and get help?

 

[Aeronomy]

And to be honest, I don't recall ever following a case here where responding officers or EMT's initial assessment of a victim or a scene was blown off as if rumor or not at all accurate. I'm really struggling to understand why some are doing that in this case.

But how many other cases have there been on here where a responding officer's assessment of a victim is published by the media? A responding officer is doing a very quick initial assessment, so what is initially reported may not be exact. I don't think the fact that the officer said something can be blown off as a rumor, but I do see why there would be a question in accuracy. It would be nice to see what's in the written report, though. That would clear things up.

 

[Sillybilly]

How in the world can that have any more than ONE meaning? The responding CHP officer said she was battered. The medical staff at the hospital treated her injuries. The Shasta Co. sheriff stated she HAD injuries.

No, we don't know what kind they were, where they were on her physical body or anything else and LE in this case is specifically NOT releasing that info to the public right now - for who knows what reasons. Maybe it's because they were torturous in nature, maybe it's because they would be personally humiliating to Sherri to have the public know, or maybe it's for another reason. LE is not obligated to explain why they don't release certain details and we (the public) are not entitled to certain details of an ongoing investigation. Either way, for whatever reason they're not disclosing to the public what kind of injuries Sherri sustained, she did/does in fact have them.

Thanks Mom. Just a slight change ... CHP advised she was "heavily battered".

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Please remember.

She was found on Thanksgiving day.

And most LE is on a minimum roster on such holidays.

Plus it was Black Friday the next day. So of course some LEOs probably had other things on their mind besides releasing certain information on a peron that was found safe.

But I truly think that we will get more updates this week. And I also believe that LE will definitely interview SP more this week. Jmo

I was mainly addressing the OP's take on the Sheriff's news conference. The amount of LE response at the scene of Sherri's recovery would largely be out of his hands due to the distance from his county. JMO

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

And to be honest, I don't recall ever following a case here where responding officers or EMT's initial assessment of a victim or a scene was blown off as if rumor or not at all accurate. I'm really struggling to understand why some are doing that in this case.

Well, the first statement by the sheriff downplayed physical injuries and mentioned emotional injuries. The article has since been changed to remove that quote, but it's been immortalized in the previous thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12955477


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[IllinoisMissing]

From all I've read about where she was spotted (both by the lady who couldn't stop in time and by the truck driver who did stop) it sounds as if she was released on the county road and made her way to I-5 where there'd naturally be more traffic. I mean, it would be the logical thing to do, right? To get someone to notice you and get help?

Yes, I edited my post.

I am not quite sure how she did that in the dark and chained to something. But I've given up speculating. It's all too strange.

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[JeannaT]

From all I've read about where she was spotted (both by the lady who couldn't stop in time and by the truck driver who did stop) it sounds as if she was released on the county road and made her way to I-5 where there'd naturally be more traffic. I mean, it would be the logical thing to do, right? To get someone to notice you and get help?

The thing is, Sherri would know all that. That shouldn't be up for people to ponder and question. She knows all this information, where she was dropped off, about how long before people stopped to help her, about how far she traveled. She's not a 2 year old lost in the woods, where you just kind of have to wonder what happened.

LE knows all this stuff, or should, and should get this out to the public IMHO.

 

[Ontario Mom]

It's my opinion that his demeanor was unusual, after finding a live victim of a kidnapping after 3 weeks, and he was planning to wait a few days and then get around to interviewing her.

That's unusual behavior for LE. In my opinion.

I don't recall him saying they were going to wait a few days and then get around to interviewing her. I don't have a direct quote or link but I believe IIRC he did say that OVER the new few days they'd be interviewing her more, or something to that effect. I could be wrong, so if you have a link that would be helpful.

 

[DexterMorgan]

It's my opinion that his demeanor was unusual, after finding a live victim of a kidnapping after 3 weeks, and he was planning to wait a few days and then get around to interviewing her.

That's unusual behavior for LE. In my opinion.

Not on Thanksgiving day with Black Friday sales the next day while knowing that the victim is safe and you got a good full statement from her already that you are not willing to leak to the press as of yet since one may feel that this was a isolated incident and we will catch the perps soon.

Jmo and sorry for the run on sentence. Lol

 

[Deleted member 718]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1365821/911-dispatch-day-Sherri-Papini-Yolo.html

"Is she on the freeway? Confirmed, north bound I-5 just south of Yolo."

??

 

[DexterMorgan]

I was mainly addressing the OP's take on the Sheriff's news conference. The amount of LE response at the scene of Sherri's recovery would largely be out of his hands due to the distance from his county. JMO

Lol.

Okay. Sorry my friend.

I now just quickly post or reply since the thread closes every hour.

Lol. Nothing but love Ranch.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Thanks Mom. Just a slight change ... CHP advised she was "heavily battered".

One would think that would lay this to rest.