Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #12 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[houndstooth]

Were there any news of the the huge searches that took place today?
6pm news?
News blurbs on reports for the upcoming 11 o'clock broadcast maybe?

 

[sorrell skye]

I can understand that. And I do agree.
Except we do not know the circumstance for her "not cheering anymore".
It could very well have been she did these things around the house.
Unless, she WANTED to quit because she thought it was lame.
Or was made to quit, as some sort of punishment.

I can see where a case could be made that this too, was a message to her to
try to "fix" things, because it was the easier thought to deal with, that she had run away.

But, as has been stated by another poster very well, it may be an insight into the dynamics, it does not tell us what was going on in her life the Friday and weekend she disappeared. Saturday being St.Patrick's Day.

BBM

Not that we've heard anything of the sort in this case, but it's possible.

Anecdote: when my younger sister "rebelled", my mother refused to sign the paperwork necessary to enroll my sister into a prestigious performing arts high school (my sister had already been accepted via her audition, pending final parental consent via signed contract). My mother saw this as a way to punish my younger sister for her "rebellious" ways.

I would venture to say that many parents seek to rein in their kids by prohibiting participation in enriching activities, when in reality, they're doing more harm than good in the long run.

Who knows if that's the case here.

I do know this: when kids are denied access to enriching activities, they will, more often than not, seek not so enriching activities to fill their time.

 

[Tuba]

Annie, what is a sad thought is that the student Sierra texted at 7:11 a.m., did reply and that was never acknowledged. They were going to meet before class and bring some item. Then, this student arrives at school and no Sierra. Of all the class mates who might wonder, surely she would be the first. But where could she go with that? There really wasn't much she could do aside from puzzling over her absent friend.

 

[houndstooth]

Annie, what is a sad thought is that the student Sierra texted at 7:11 a.m., did reply and that was never acknowledged. They were going to meet before class and bring some item. Then, this student arrives at school and no Sierra. Of all the class mates who might wonder, surely she would be the first. But where could she go with that? There really wasn't much she could do aside from puzzling over her absent friend.

IIRC, the text message and the photo text were separate.
Does that mean the photo went to the same person texted,
or someone different, do you think?
IOW,
It was a boy we are told that received the photo.
Was he the one who was texted to meet before class?

 

[Kaiser]

IIRC, the text message and the photo text were separate.
Does that mean the photo went to the same person she texted,
or someone different, do you think?
IOW,
It was a boy we are told that received the photo.
Was he the one who she texted to meet before class?

I wonder if it was actually Sierra who the text and photo.. could it have been sent by someone who wanted to make it look like nothing was out of the ordinary and buy themselves more time? Then again you would think the LE would have found their DNA on the phone if that was the case.

 

[Annie1004]

Annie, what is a sad thought is that the student Sierra texted at 7:11 a.m., did reply and that was never acknowledged. They were going to meet before class and bring some item. Then, this student arrives at school and no Sierra. Of all the class mates who might wonder, surely she would be the first. But where could she go with that? There really wasn't much she could do aside from puzzling over her absent friend.

I thought about that, too, Tuba, but it could have been more of an acquaintance and I'm inclined to believe that LE spoke to the classmate ASAP after the cell phone was found. I meant the comment overall because Kaiser didn't know if she had friends in MH.

It's not easy being 15 and out of your comfort zone IMO.

Was thinking out loud, that's all.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I just checked the Twitter feed that was just posted suggesting some LE activity in MH. I checked out the poster and he is legit, just not thinking before posting. He obviously cares about the outcome of the search, so we'll give him a hall pass. That said, people should know by now to think thrice before posting anything...

 

[houndstooth]

I wonder if it was actually Sierra who the text and photo.. could it have been sent by someone who wanted to make it look like nothing was out of the ordinary and buy themselves more time? Then again you would think the LE would have found their DNA on the phone if that was the case.

When LE said there was nothing useful on the phone early on, you could assume it had been wiped.

But, as for your pondering, that has been a $64,000 question to me.
Particularly in light of "hoax tweets" being bandied about.

 

[sorrell skye]

Anyone can send a text message - all they need is access to the person's phone.

A text message is not proof that the one whose phone it was sent from is the one who sent it.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Do we have a link to mom saying pic was sent to a boy?

 

[rosesfromangels]

I wonder if it was actually Sierra who the text and photo.. could it have been sent by someone who wanted to make it look like nothing was out of the ordinary and buy themselves more time? Then again you would think the LE would have found their DNA on the phone if that was the case.

Unlikely Kaiser. When there is an unsolved crime, and a significant amount of time has passed, we begin manufacturing improbable scenarios to desperately reach for anything that even remotely resembles a possibility. In reality, crime types tend to follow pretty predictable patterns that LE are expert at tracking. (If/then scenarios). The suspect profile is predictable as well. Then why aren't all crimes solved, and swiftly? First, resources. Second, time decay. Third, geographic scope of the search.

Let me give you an example of the predictability of crimes. If you are female, where do you hide valuables?
Answer: If you are like 98% of women, you hide valuables in your underwear drawer, and that is the FIRST place a burglar goes...
Anyway, you get my point. The phone scenario you describe is out of scope.
LE is methodically conducting this investigation, and they WILL solve this...and soon. Keep praying for Sierra!

 

[cluciano63]

Unlikely Kaiser. When there is an unsolved crime, and a significant amount of time has passed, we begin manufacturing improbable scenarios to desperately reach for anything that even remotely resembles a possibility. In reality, crime types tend to follow pretty predictable patterns that LE are expert at tracking. (If/then scenarios). The suspect profile is predictable as well. Then why aren't all crimes solved, and swiftly? First, resources. Second, time decay. Third, geographic scope of the search.

Let me give you an example of the predictability of crimes. If you are female, where do you hide valuables?
Answer: If you are like 98% of women, you hide valuables in your underwear drawer, and that is the FIRST place a burglar goes...
Anyway, you get my point. The phone scenario you describe is out of scope.
LE is methodically conducting this investigation, and they WILL solve this...and soon. Keep praying for Sierra!

Well...the suspect in Samantha Koenig's murder used her phone, pretending to be her, apparently...

 

[Annie1004]

When LE said there was nothing useful on the phone early on, you could assume it had been wiped.

But, as for your pondering, that has been a $64,000 question to me.
Particularly in light of "hoax tweets" being bandied about.

Yep, her mom saw her at 6 am, so if the photo, tweet and text were fake (which I doubt), that goes back to Sierra not being around at all early Friday morning. Then that opens speculation about the mom and BF and the fingers start pointing. The perp had a big head start so doubt s/he would "buy" time by writing as Sierra stating she would meet before school re homework assignment.
Seems to me that would arouse suspicion.

The classmate who received the 7:11 am text would have told LE if the text was random (assuming the perp had no idea of Sierra's school plans), in other words, the text didn't look suspicious to the classmate. Of course, LE is keeping details close to the vest, so all we can do is speculate. IMOO.

 

[katydid23]

Well...the suspect in Samantha Koenig's murder used her phone, pretending to be her, apparently...

I think Hailey Dunn's kidnapper did that, as well as Michelle Parker's. imo

 

[rosesfromangels]

Well...the suspect in Samantha Koenig's murder used her phone, pretending to be her, apparently...

Yes, you are right, and there are always exceptions as you point out. That said, there are predictable patterns that law enforcement can use as a map.
My point is that we tend to get far reaching in our thinking, and understandably so. I recently followed a missing persons case where the obvious, and predictable was overlooked, and it delayed finding the individual by a couple months. So, I guess I'm trying to underscore...look again, look at the predictable and the "obvious." Sometimes we can't see what looks so predictable. Good call out though cluciano63.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I think Hailey Dunn's kidnapper did that, as well as Michelle Parker's. imo

Ok you guys, I stand corrected...thoroughly! : )
Still, look at the obvious.

BTW - another thought, and this one regarding the bogus Tweets that have been posted. As I was thinking about it further this evening, I think it's some nincompoop teen who thinks it's "funny." I try to remember that the human brain is not fully developed until the age of 25, and if drugs have been abused, perhaps later than that, or not to it's full potential. So the point I'm making is that some stupid kid is most likely posting these Tweets and enjoying the press coverage they are getting. Obviously they lack empathy, and a moral compass. I think it would be best to quietly let LE handle these vs. give them the attention they are seeking. JMO.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, you are right, and there are always exceptions as you point out. That said, there are predictable patterns that law enforcement can use as a map.
My point is that we tend to get far reaching in our thinking, and understandably so. I recently followed a missing persons case where the obvious, and predictable was overlooked, and it delayed finding the individual by a couple months. So, I guess I'm trying to underscore...look again, look at the predictable and the "obvious." Sometimes we can't see what looks so predictable. Good call out though cluciano63.

I think you are right. Generally, we tend to go way out in the weeds because we can only sit and speculate here, with not enough to go on.

I know when i watch 'The First 48', they stay pretty much on track, in the middle of the evidence trail. They do not stray into the weeds too often, but keep charging down the middle of the road. It usually works out that way because it is usually the regular,simplest answer, most realistic scenario that pans out. The ex-husband, the jealous wife, the love triangle, etc.

and in this case, it might end up being an experienced stalker/kidnapper.

 

[simlyme]

Didnt her dad say that she asked him to make her an appt. for her hair color in Fremont on Saturday? IIRC?

And her big sis was home from school and staying at dads.

I dont know if anyone has answered you, but, her hair appointment was the following Saturday, not the day after she disappeared.

 

[Thyme]

[Originally Posted by Tuba]
Annie, what is a sad thought is that the student Sierra texted at 7:11 a.m., did reply and that was never acknowledged. They were going to meet before class and bring some item. Then, this student arrives at school and no Sierra. Of all the class mates who might wonder, surely she would be the first. But where could she go with that? There really wasn't much she could do aside from puzzling over her absent friend.]]

I have wondered ...many times...who was this girl going to study with early in the morning? I'm sure I read this way back there somewhere. Perhaps this person is cleared.

 

[melley]

Hey all, I did go search today and now am kicking myself for not going sooner. It was very uplifting to be there. I ended up on a really hard search, but it was so worth it. I am exhausted and know I am going to be in pain tomorrow, but am grateful I was there and plan to go back next Saturday assuming nothing changes from now til then.