Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #18 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[DOUBTFUL]

I'd suggest that this drawing can be dismissed as "Stoner Art", and nothing
More. It has all of the hallmarks- the shrooms, the joint, the bottle of Jack
Daniels, and other "significant" scribblings.
The "13"? I'd say it is the traditional reference to Pot. The 13th letter of the
Alphabet is M= Marajuana. That simple correlation has been in place since at least the 60's.
Religion ? A Salvadoran Gang ? I don't think so.
Unless this is a very recent document, with either an encoded confession or
A map with an "X" marking the spot, I would not assign any significance to
It whatsoever.
I know.....raining on the parade .

 

[Whisperer]

Here is a peek inside one of those trailers @ Maple leaf park. IMO, these are nice and a very good deal.

http://www.mapleleafrv.com/door.nxg

 

[Whisperer]

:welcome2: to Doubtful, a new member...

 

[Whisperer]

Looks like we have an organized killer on our hands. Two crime scenes just like CA...grrr. I am still trying to figure out where he was working when he would drive into Sierra's neighborhood. That area isn't exactly screaming Malls and underground parking facilities. WTH was he doing there? I know Sierra's landlord had people working for him in back of the house. In the home next to Sierra, that also looked like people may work there. The only other work would be the fields and the mushroom farms.

 

[Whisperer]

Did he use the VW for fishing?? If so, he had to have perhaps a large cooler. Did he put Sierra in a cooler and sink her in water? If she was left out in the elements, there is nothing left and bones are scattered. He may have covered her with brush on a ravine just like Ingmar Guandique did. This last way seems much easier, cleaner and a much quicker to get rid of a body.

 

[yodle]

LE had to take the braid. Assuming it is long, dark hair, and that they already suspect him of other possible assaults or abductions, they have to test it. 'Oh, that's mine,' from the mother isn't good enough. It probably IS hers - but at this point think that poor woman would say anything.

Not a pleasant thought, but I hope the DNA they have from SL is in the trunk. That would be hard to explain away.

Also, it would be interesting to track both their phones for the last few months, especially the day of her 'Lucky' tweet. Maybe they could establish that they had been in close proximity several times.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

I'd suggest that this drawing can be dismissed as "Stoner Art", and nothing
More. It has all of the hallmarks- the shrooms, the joint, the bottle of Jack
Daniels, and other "significant" scribblings.
The "13"? I'd say it is the traditional reference to Pot. The 13th letter of the
Alphabet is M= Marajuana. That simple correlation has been in place since at least the 60's.
Religion ? A Salvadoran Gang ? I don't think so.
Unless this is a very recent document, with either an encoded confession or
A map with an "X" marking the spot, I would not assign any significance to
It whatsoever.
I know.....raining on the parade .

ITA!

I think a lot of AGT's life (at least at the time of the drawing) revolves around weed. MANY of his friends and family members proudly use pictures of drugs and bongs as their profile pics. Quite a few list their jobs as chemist, pharmacist, horticulturist, etc...

I don't think there's any significance to the pic other than he's a bad artist. :floorlaugh: JMO

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

Did he use the VW for fishing?? If so, he had to have perhaps a large cooler. Did he put Sierra in a cooler and sink her in water? If she was left out in the elements, there is nothing left and bones are scattered. He may have covered her with brush on a ravine just like Ingmar Guandique did. This last way seems much easier, cleaner and a much quicker to get rid of a body.

Yesterday on ID there was a story about a kidnapper who had a large Rubbermaid container in his back seat and ordered the girl into it at gunpoint. Took her while she was watering her front yard. It's amazing to me just how fast it can happen!

I do wonder if something like that is the way he hid her from view...ugh. Too scary.

 

[TxLady2]

yea idk I feel like its too much of a coincidence that they arrested him in the safeway parking lot. the same place where he has been accused of all those crimes and the same place he used to work. why wouldnt they just arrest him at his house. strange.

Sometimes these arrests are not planned down to the minute. LE doesn't make the decision to arrest in a major case like this, that comes from the DA, and they need a warrant signed by the judge.

A very public arrest like that makes a statement, both to the perp and to the public. It tells him no matter how smart he thinks he is, they're smarter, and they can move in on him anytime, anywhere. It tells the public, we've got this monster off the streets, now you can all relax and breathe easier.

 

[TxLady2]

I doubt it. Seems like they would rather catch him about to commit the act, imo. I think there was some politicking going on between the DA and LE on whether or not they have enough evidence and whatnot, and they also realized he wasn't going to the body. I definitely have a hard time believing it was for public safety reasons, especially if AGT knew his car was impounded and he knew he was a POI.

Maybe the results on some testing had just come back, they got the word from the surveillance team where he was and said, let's go get him.
I wouldn't use the word politicking, exactly, but I'm sure LE and the DA's office had been discussing it. The DA wants to make sure they've got enough to ensure a conviction before he gives them the go-ahead. Once that little piece of evidence was verified, he tells them it's a go. It's the DA that decides, not LE.
They did this with Scott Peterson. He knew he was being followed, and he led them on a little chase, then they pulled him over and took him into custody. Word on the street was, they had just positively identified the bodies as Laci and Conner, and that was the icing on the cake.
Arresting him for public safety concerns was not the whole enchilada... it was only one part of it.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I have not posted here in a while but I have been reading all of the posts since the arrest of Antolin.

I have some issues with the constant flow of misleading and conflicting information in this case. I also think that given the very few facts we have regarding Antolins' involvement in this case, it is unfortunate that everyone has decided he is guilty. If you disagree with me, and would like to read my own take on this issue, take a peek at my blog entitled thequeenofscrutiny.comhttp://thequeenofscrutiny.com ( I hope I did not just violate any posting rules for the board by mentioning the link. If so please remove and accept my apology.)

A few points for consideration:

I wonder if the police may be aware of more than one person involved in this situation, and have decided to put the screws to Antolin in order to get him to roll over on the other person. If there is gang involvement, there is very little chance of ATG saying anything to police.

Other possibilities:
What if Sierra was walking and Antolin accidentally hit her with his car? Hotsteno had mentioned way back around the time she went missing that her mother had to pick up glass out of the street from a car accident.
We are fairly certain that he had some contact with her, but to what extent we do not know.

I am just thinking that the big reveal that we are hoping and praying for from the Sheriff's office may not materialize. I think if they had something more damning, they would have already released the information.

I just find it amusing that the same people who were certain that Marlene LaMar was somehow involved in her disappearance are now just as certain that Antolin is guilty.

A few of the comments I have read on this forum demonstrate how the perception that ATG's family is "ghetto" is directly related to your presumption of him being a murderer. I looked at his myspace page and the facebook pages of his family. I saw nothing that looked "ghetto", but largely hardworking, family oriented people. Even if he is guilty, I still don't think that passing judgement on his family is fair.

I just wish that we could get a clear statement of the facts from the SCCS office rather than a few facts sparsely distributed in a sea of discrepancies.

JMO and MOO :moo:


1st RBBM: I agree ... With respect to the "misleading and conflicting information", it is one thing to "protect the investigation" and it is another thing to "lie" or continuously state "mistruths" ...

The MSM is "excluded" here because the only thing I find the media "guilty" of is "very sloppy reporting" ...


2nd RBBM: I agree ...

- The "Statement of Facts" issued by the SO has information in it that canNOT be corroborated by a "witness" other than the 2 people living IN the home with Sierra at the time she disappeared ...

- The "Statement of Facts" does NOT have information that was previously reported ... there are "holes" that need to be filled in ... JMO, but these "holes" are there for a reason ...

- The "Statement of Facts" state the dog traced the scent to the "mid-way down her street" -- that is NOT what was previously reported -- it was to the "end of the driveway" ...

- The "Statement of Facts" state the "inhaler", Sierra's "money", "house keys", and "clothing Sierra was wearing the morning she went missing" have been LOCATED ...

I sure would like to know WHERE the inhaler, house keys and money were LOCATED, and if this "money" was in Sierra's wallet ...

And as to the "clothes Sierra was wearing the morning she went missing", HOW did they determine this when NOBODY saw what clothes Sierra was wearing the morning went missing ? Marlene said that when she left the home, Sierra was in PAJAMAS. So "who knows" what Sierra REALLY was wearing ... afterall, Sierra could have been wearing one of her friend's clothes because Marlene said Sierra and her firends would "borrow" each other's clothes ...

- The "Statement of Facts" IMO is "weak" ... DNA Evidence is "Circumstancial Evidence" ... and YES, LE is keeping some evidence out of the Statement, possibly pending forensic tests, etc. ... or is LE and the DA "hoping" to have a "murder weapon", a "crime scene", a "body" by the time this goes to trial ? That's a lot to "bet on" IMO ...

So WHAT is this "Direct Evidence" they have ? Is it a "video" of Sierra IN that red Jetta owned by Antolin ? They better have that otherwise, their case is weak ...

BBM: I agree ... from what we have heard so far, his family had nothing to do with Sierra being missing ...

JMO and MOO ... It could be this dude Antolin did do something to Sierra -- maybe he did or maybe he didn't MOO .... It is My Opinion that the evidence is weak and a "perp" is NOT going to leave the cell phone, JC Handbag and school books in a place where they could easily be found ! A perp is NOT going to leave a "trail" and is going to dispose of these items in a dumpter, trashcan or body of water where the likelihood of them being found is extremely low ...

While I totally understand they can bring a case forward for "murder" and "kidnapping" withOUT a body, the FACT there is NO murder weapon, NO blood and NO body, does NOT look good for the DA ...

SO IF this IS their dude, they better have some "direct evidence" or a defense attorney is going to have a "field day" planting "reasonable doubt" in the minds of the jury ...

According to the TOS, it is okay to have "conflicting viewpoints and/or opinions" ... but it is NOT okay to "bash the poster" ...

JMO and :moo::moo::moo:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I doubt it. Seems like they would rather catch him about to commit the act, imo. I think there was some politicking going on between the DA and LE on whether or not they have enough evidence and whatnot, and they also realized he wasn't going to the body. I definitely have a hard time believing it was for public safety reasons, especially if AGT knew his car was impounded and he knew he was a POI.

BBM: I believe POLITICKING was involved here ...

Making a comparison here :

Ayla Reynolds : There is "blood splatter" evidence in the basement of the DiPietro home ... LE took 100s of items for evidence and were there for 2 weeks ... LE has clearly stated that it was NOT a "kidnapper" who took Ayla ... and LE has clearly stated the 3 people in the home the night Ayla went "missing" are NOT telling the truth as to what happened to Ayla ...

And yet, the DA has not arrested anyone ...

I say "politics" ...

JMO and MOO ...

 

[packerdog]

Here is a peek inside one of those trailers @ Maple leaf park. IMO, these are nice and a very good deal.

http://www.mapleleafrv.com/door.nxg

Which one is theirs?

 

[LLLindsayy]

JMO and MOO :moo:

- The "Statement of Facts" state the "inhaler", Sierra's "money", "house keys", and "clothing Sierra was wearing the morning she went missing" have been LOCATED ...

I sure would like to know WHERE the inhaler, house keys and money were LOCATED, and if this "money" was in Sierra's wallet ...

And as to the "clothes Sierra was wearing the morning she went missing", HOW did they determine this when NOBODY saw what clothes Sierra was wearing the morning went missing ? Marlene said that when she left the home, Sierra was in PAJAMAS. So "who knows" what Sierra REALLY was wearing ... afterall, Sierra could have been wearing one of her friend's clothes because Marlene said Sierra and her firends would "borrow" each other's clothes ...

SBM.

:twocents:

IMO, the belongings were all found inside her JC bag.

Also, I too was confused about how LE came to the conclusion about what Sierra was wearing that day. But then lots of possibilities came to mind. Someone else on Sierra's street could have been leaving for work at the time she was walking down her street and they may be able to verify what she was wearing. Or maybe someone was simply looking out their window in time to see her passing. Or, more interestingly, maybe someone's surveillance camera captured her walking by their house and they can tell that the clothes she is wearing match the ones in the bag.

:twocents:
:twocents:

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

Gonna get REALLY out there on this theory with the purse...

IIRC, the area where Sierra's purse was found had several of those metal type of buildings. There's a pic from amanda reckonwith - which, BTW, thanks sooo much, excellent resource - anyway, pic # 351 has almost the whole thing covered with spray painted "stuff". PLEASE, someone let me know if this is way far away from where the purse was found...IIRC, those buildings were kind of in the same vicinity.(??)

Again, IMO, AGT's pattern almost seemed like "if first you don't succeed, try try again".

I'm gonna go with the "gang" angle....of a "first kill" to REALLY get onto the gangs "ladder" so to speak. On one of the cable channels, they did a show on gangs and explained that, "regular" people could be "part" of the gang, BUT, a "kill" brought that person "street cred", so to speak.

Where the purse was found, IMO, it seems even ONE of those things written on that building would be a gang sign, IMO.

I'm gonna say the reason the purse and books were there like that, neatly by the building, is "proof" - like the "witches broom" from the Wizard of OZ.
It was a message to the gang members that "the deed" was done, and he's "in", now.

IMO, it was easy to find...or easy enough for the members to find it and see it. The metal buildings having MAYBE at least ONE of their signs, so it's at a place the gang KNEW and MAYBE frequented as their "own". Or maybe even NOT frequented, just "marked" as being theirs.
It was left almost like AGT's "monument" to his disgusting "accomplishment" maybe for other members in HIS gang to see proof, OR other gangs, like I mentioned...showed his "street cred" with other gangs, too.

AGAIN, as always, all IMO.

ETA: IMO, I think that's why he makes me wanna smack the smug off his face!!

 

[Lera213]

Who knows anything about Santeria?
Could his drawing have something to do with the Santeria religious practices?
I ask because he has "Fat 13" the pentagram and other symbols.

Searching "fat 13" brings this (among other things):
http://bible.cc/exodus/29-13.htm
13 is mentioned a lot in Santeria.

This shows a "pentagram" ring and discusses the "evil eye".
http://www.13moons.com/index.php?ma...70_540&zenid=b56d116721f13001243668279845d478

Athame with black sheath (dagger/knife in his pic?)
http://www.13moons.com/index.php?ma...d=1011&zenid=b56d116721f13001243668279845d478


I have tried reading whatever is in the writing and can not decipher it as yet.
The first word does appear to say something like Santeria but possibly misspelled.
I have even tried reading it in the mirror backwards.

I'll see what I can do with it on the big screen TV tomorrow.

I know a little bit about Santeria but more the style Puerto Rican's follow. Like anything else each culture practices it differently. While there are many familiarities some are different.

To me his drawings is doodling but usually when one does that they kind of zone out, and just draw, which means more times then not, snap shots of the subconscious surfaces

 

[fred&edna]

Re: the braid of hair collected from AGT's home...

Is it common for women to keep their own cut braids of hair? Do many of you have these around the house? I can understand a child's lock of hair or even a very long braid kept for a while, maybe... but... well, it seems a little odd to me. I have a tendency to be a pack rat but I'm the hairless variety.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Re: the braid of hair collected from AGT's home...

Is it common for women to keep their own cut braids of hair? Do many of you have these around the house? I can understand a child's lock of hair or even a very long braid kept for a while, maybe... but... well, it seems a little odd to me. I have a tendency to be a pack rat but I'm the hairless variety.

No, I don't and I don't know anyone in my family who does. I think there's a lock of hair from my first haircut in my baby book.

 

[LittleMissContrary]

I do not think this is odd. His mother may have cut off her braid when her other son died. It is very common in other cultures to cut your hair very short as a sign of mourning

 

[CarolynV]

Re: the braid of hair collected from AGT's home...

Is it common for women to keep their own cut braids of hair? Do many of you have these around the house? I can understand a child's lock of hair or even a very long braid kept for a while, maybe... but... well, it seems a little odd to me. I have a tendency to be a pack rat but I'm the hairless variety.

I have very long hair and always have, over 40, and I have never once taken a braid of hair or lock of hair except to donate it, and have never heard of it unless someone was dying and wanted a keepsake of their loved one.