Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #18 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[DOUBTFUL]

I feel that the questions of whether a rape occurred in this case are a bit
Disturbing and off topic.
We are dealing with a missing girl that is somebody's loved one. She is
Missing, that much is sure. The indications are that she was kidnapped,
And the authorities believe she was murdered. I believe them, unfortunately.
We can all speculate about exactly what went on, and compare the probable
Scenarios to other cases, but I don't see the value in chasing down this particular detail at this point in time.
I don't see that it matters, frankly.

I understand that grasping at straws is part and parcel to Internet sleuthing, and
Everybody has a right to their own speculations, however wild and unfounded,
But, really, this seems to be a stone that does not need to be overturned.
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Pouring over maps, Google Earth, and trying to decipher the suspect's habits
Can possibly be fruitful. Hopefully, the authorities have " solved" the case as far
As who did what. Finding Sierra's whereabouts at this time would seem
To be the primary goal here, and something that groups such as this just might be able to help with. I think that should be the focus, not what may or may
Not have happened to her while in the suspect's hands. That will all come out
Later, but it won't help find her now.

 

[mamamia54]

I feel that the questions of whether a rape occurred in this case are a bit
Disturbing and off topic.
We are dealing with a missing girl that is somebody's loved one. She is
Missing, that much is sure. The indications are that she was kidnapped,
And the authorities believe she was murdered. I believe them, unfortunately.
We can all speculate about exactly what went on, and compare the probable
Scenarios to other cases, but I don't see the value in chasing down this particular detail at this point in time.
I don't see that it matters, frankly.

I understand that grasping at straws is part and parcel to Internet sleuthing, and
Everybody has a right to their own speculations, however wild and unfounded,
But, really, this seems to be a stone that does not need to be overturned.
<modsnip>

Pouring over maps, Google Earth, and trying to decipher the suspect's habits
Can possibly be fruitful. Hopefully, the authorities have " solved" the case as far
As who did what. Finding Sierra's whereabouts at this time would seem
To be the primary goal here, and something that groups such as this just might be able to help with. I think that should be the focus, not what may or may
Not have happened to her while in the suspect's hands. That will all come out
Later, but it won't help find her now.

I don't find it to be off topic at all, in fact, the last presser was all about what items were located and what DNA was possibly found on those items, and that would include semen, sperm or anything included therein. Rape would be one of those things.

 

[mamamia54]

Let me just say this, we here at WS take cases VERY seriously, we don't sit here and get out jollies on the suffering of what this child or others are enduring, or have endured. We are here for the specific purpose of finding the truth, finding facts, and sometimes in doing so, we need to talk about things that none of us like, but it is reality. I just felt the need to clarify why I do what I do here and on my own website for the missing and unidentified, it's a very passionate thing. MOO

 

[Lera213]

Santeria, a hair braid can be part of a spell, either good or a bad spell. Her wanting love you would braid the hair, in a number of knots with beads or string, then chant over it. Or It could be used to bring harm to someone. That is another scenerio of having a braided hair in a dresser drawer, under the matress etc. I would love to see it, to know exactly if it was used for a spell or not. Also any pictures of inside the trailer? Any bodaga type candles in the houes? Saint Statues and stuff? Most who do practice Santeria will have an alter in the house with their pagan saint and offer them (depending on which saint) fruit, foods, items, example...the statue of San Miguel loves cigar smoke...some like coconut, and all kinds of things. Also you might see if they are into Santeria by if they are wearing beads of sorts. Edit to add each saint has their own color. It's a lot to explain but here is a site that you can read the middle portions to get an idea. A lot of people who practice Santeria do not look at it as evil but rather like a spiritally good
http://www.spiritual-healing-artwork-4u.com/spiritual-orishas.html

 

[Darcyline]

Even thinking about rape in this case is something so horrific to me that I literally feel sick to my stomach, but given the type of evidence we have (DNA evidence and the fact that she was most likely nude in his presence) some type of sexual assault seems like a logical possibility and something I am sure LE is considering.

I still cannot understand why he put the bag with his DNA all in it in a place where it would obviously be found. I mean, I am thankful he did because it makes the case stronger, but can you imagine if the bag was never found? They would still have the tape, I suppose.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I missed it if there was discussion about the resemblance between Garcia's wife/gf and Sierra.

That bothers me.

 

[mamamia54]

I missed it if there was discussion about the resemblance between Garcia's wife/gf and Sierra.

That bothers me.

There is a huge resemblance Amanda, Garcia's wife is a little heavier, but not by much. Same color hair, same facial structure.

 

[ineedcoffee]

Let me just say this, we here at WS take cases VERY seriously, we don't sit here and get out jollies on the suffering of what this child or others are enduring, or have endured. We are here for the specific purpose of finding the truth, finding facts, and sometimes in doing so, we need to talk about things that none of us like, but it is reality. I just felt the need to clarify why I do what I do here and on my own website for the missing and unidentified, it's a very passionate thing. MOO

I completely agree. It is a very passionate thing. I know personally, when I heard they had a suspect I started crying.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Very disturbing that he would go after someone who resembles her so much.

 

[Lera213]

Mexican Santeria, for example, emphasizes its Roman Catholic roots. it often includes nationally based icons, like the Virgin of Guadeloupe. Cuban Santeria tends to emphasizes its African origins.

 

[mamamia54]

Very disturbing that he would go after someone who resembles her so much.

Just like a slightly younger version, and probably very very close to what the wife/gf would have looked like at age 15.

 

[ineedcoffee]

Just like a slightly younger version, and probably very very close to what the wife/gf would have looked like at age 15.

That is so freaky!

 

[sarx]

I'm afraid the details of what happened do make a difference. It tells us things like his state of mind, places where he might go, how much time he needed, how private it needed to be, etc. All of those things can help identify where she might be located. Personally I'm not here to play prosecution, my only goal is in finding Sierra, this is why I have to look at all aspects of his behavior, even the stuff I really would rather not think about. ALL JMO.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I can't imagine a scenario that did not include at least attempted rape. How many of these types of crimes are committed that are purely for the thrill and don't have some form of a sexual perversion involved? Especially with her clothes found separate from her body. The bag bothers me very much as well, from what I understand it's only skin cells (of course this could just be LE saying this). It seems to me he knew well enough to make sure at least no sperm/saliva/blood was involved so why just leave the bag there? The only logical explanation I've been able to come up with is he was thinking he had enough time to go back for it.

I'm also trying to figure out the missing body. LE has been searching bodies of water since the beginning so they must have some reason for that, but I can't help but think she may not be in the water. For one thing, this was a daytime crime. Yes it was early, a typical work day, bad weather, but I hike a lot. I am a stay at home mother so I go all different times of day and days of the week. I will hike in the rain. I have never been to Uvas, Quicksilver, Big Basin, etc. where there were not at least a couple other hardcore hikers/dog walkers/photographers/fishers/campers. I bet he chose a bad weather day so there would be less people around, but he still couldn't be positive. Unless he held onto the body to dump at night, he risked someone seeing him. I'm thinking he probably had a very specific, secluded spot in mind before he committed the crime. Somewhere he could be sure he wouldn't run into anyone.

I also don't think he held onto the body. It seems to me like he would have been done with the whole thing rather quickly, and back to work or fishing like nothing ever happened. So far water searches have not come up with anything, where else could she be?

All JMO, speculations.

 

[DOUBTFUL]

I agree the the DNA is important evidence, of course, and we all know where
It can come from.
I was trying to make the point that whether a sexual assault had occurred in
This instance did not really matter at this point.
I am hoping that the DNA is the trump card that seals the deal, and I hope they
Have plenty of it.
I was just thinking that trying to preserve a shred of dignity for the poor girl, and staying focused on issues that might actually help find her might be a good
Idea.
I am under no illusions as to whether a sexual assault occurred in this case, I just don't see how it
Can help online sleuthers help figure things out. Take it as a given, and that the DNA is a result.
We don't know that, but it might be so.
That is a component of this case,absolutely,it is just that I don't think knowing that will help find her.
She, unfortunately, is the biggest missing link in the chain of evidence.

 

[SurfieTX]

Okay, but here's this - he allegedly attacked 3 women in Safeway parking lots. That's HUGE risk taking behavior. So, that leads me to believe part of the "thrill" of it was possibly getting caught?

 

[mamamia54]

I can't imagine a scenario that did not include at least attempted rape. How many of these types of crimes are committed that are purely for the thrill and don't have some form of a sexual perversion involved? Especially with her clothes found separate from her body. The bag bothers me very much as well, from what I understand it's only skin cells (of course this could just be LE saying this). It seems to me he knew well enough to make sure at least no sperm/saliva/blood was involved so why just leave the bag there? The only logical explanation I've been able to come up with is he was thinking he had enough time to go back for it.

I'm also trying to figure out the missing body. LE has been searching bodies of water since the beginning so they must have some reason for that, but I can't help but think she may not be in the water. For one thing, this was a daytime crime. Yes it was early, a typical work day, bad weather, but I hike a lot. I am a stay at home mother so I go all different times of day and days of the week. I will hike in the rain. I have never been to Uvas, Quicksilver, Big Basin, etc. where there were not at least a couple other hardcore hikers/dog walkers/photographers/fishers/campers. I bet he chose a bad weather day so there would be less people around, but he still couldn't be positive. Unless he held onto the body to dump at night, he risked someone seeing him. I'm thinking he probably had a very specific, secluded spot in mind before he committed the crime. Somewhere he could be sure he wouldn't run into anyone.

I also don't think he held onto the body. It seems to me like he would have been done with the whole thing rather quickly, and back to work or fishing like nothing ever happened. So far water searches have not come up with anything, where else could she be?

All JMO, speculations.

I'm hoping they will eventually search that old farmhouse near San Martin. There are wells, silos, various things that I'm able to see on google earth.

 

[SurfieTX]

I agree the the DNA is important evidence, of course, and we all know where
It can come from.
I was trying to make the point that whether a sexual assault had occurred in
This instance did not really matter at this point.
I am hoping that the DNA is the trump card that seals the deal, and I hope they
Have plenty of it.
I was just thinking that trying to preserve a shred of dignity for the poor girl, and staying focused on issues that might actually help find her might be a good
Idea.

I do agree with you that the main focus should remain on trying to find Sierra. I don't think he is going to talk. As another astute poster pointed out, his mother could probably get him to confess, but it's doubtful that she will as she seems to be in denial (which is understandable for many parents).

 

[mamamia54]

I agree the the DNA is important evidence, of course, and we all know where
It can come from.
I was trying to make the point that whether a sexual assault had occurred in
This instance did not really matter at this point.
I am hoping that the DNA is the trump card that seals the deal, and I hope they
Have plenty of it.
I was just thinking that trying to preserve a shred of dignity for the poor girl, and staying focused on issues that might actually help find her might be a good
Idea.

While I agree with your statement, we all realize there is no dignity in a murder investigation, everything is important.

 

[Tuliptiptoe]

I agree the the DNA is important evidence, of course, and we all know where
It can come from.
I was trying to make the point that whether a sexual assault had occurred in
This instance did not really matter at this point.
I am hoping that the DNA is the trump card that seals the deal, and I hope they
Have plenty of it.
I was just thinking that trying to preserve a shred of dignity for the poor girl, and staying focused on issues that might actually help find her might be a good
Idea.

Unfortunately I think that it could matter very much, because the type of crime might make a difference in where the body could be found. Did he move her several times, or just once?

It's sad, but things that need to be speculated, in the hope that someone can get Sierra home to her family. If she is dead, her remains deserve to be laid to rest how her family sees fit, and that is where she will get her shred of dignity. Right now she doesn't have that.

All JMO