Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #18 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[Lera213]

That hoax I find amusing, you know why? Because about a week ago, I was perusing on Google Earth and trying to put my mind in his as to where he would go. This was before I knew exactly where the bag, phone and stuff were found. Guess where I thought and posted strongly where LE should search? Watssonville, along the side of the road. Maybe someone read that post of mine and took it to heart. LOL

 

[sayd]

I had another thought on the bag. Maybe if the sleuthers are right who think a random person (maybe someone feeding the cats), saw everything strewn about, and folded everything neatly in the bag, maybe that person did contact LE when they saw it on the news. That would be nice because it would give LE more info and narrow the timeline. We could hope.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree. It's almost tiring at this point to continue to come up with different theories about what happened, why the bag was placed where it was, etc. I think we all need some new info to go on, but we have to trust that there is a reason we aren't getting more just yet. I think LE is doing their best and hopefully we will soon be able to learn some of these details. We just want Sierra to be found and for justice to be served!

I think you are right and usually the answer is the one most simple anyway.

It is way too complex for Sierra to be the one discarding the clothes while naked. Would a rapist ..soon to be murderer really let his naked victim out of his vehicle and control to run over to a shed and cactus to hide her own belongings? I just dont think so.

I have always felt the articles thrownout werent staged but they were simply discarded in a place he may have been to before and he couldnt have the possessions with him in the car nor could he take them home where his wife could find them.

ETA: Imo, he simply folded the clothes because they were easier to get in the bag than if he had just bunched them up.

IMO

 

[SweetT]

I think you are right and usually the answer is the one most simple anyway.

It is way too complex for Sierra to be the one discarding the clothes while naked. Would a rapist ..soon to be murderer really let his naked victim out of his vehicle and control to run over to a shed and cactus to hide her own belongings? I just dont think so.

I have always felt the articles thrownout werent staged but they were simply discarded in a place he may have been to before and he couldnt have the possessions with him in the car nor could he take them home where his wife could find them.

ETA: Imo, he simply folded the clothes because they were easier to get in the bag than if he had just bunched them up.

IMO

And I'm just guessing here, but he probably could not get the shoes to also fit in that bag. Those JC bags, mostly are pretty small really. Even if this was a bigger one it would be hard to get the shoes in there also. I have also often wondered if he didn't hide the bag temporarily and maybe was planning on giving the bag and items to his wife later as a present or something once he felt he had gotten away with this. As I see no reason he could not leave the purse and clothing in the same location that he has the body since obviously the body is more well hidden than the purse was, and the cell phone I agree was just tossed.
I still have yet to hear if Torres' himself had a cell phone?

 

[Zoe Zo]

Now that I think about it, some options are not available when you have not posted more than 50 times, I believe. For example you cannot use the Private Messaging, and you cannot post pictures. So maybe you cannot delete yet either?

I'm under 50 post and I can send Private Messaging and I did just check and we can delete. When you click Edit the next page that pops up will show a list and on the list is delete. Look at the bottom right under where we type our post

 

[sindydee]

If she were killed at that spot and moved immediately, would the dogs hit there?

Seems strange that her belongings would be in a different place than the body, unless he took the belongings back there as a memorial of some kind. Otherwise they would just be with the body or thrown in the trash somewhere. I can see the phone just being chucked out the window of the car, though.

I was thinking about this today. In an earlier Nancy grace show there was someone talking on there about this. They said the damage on the phone was consistant with it being thrown from "the car" whilst moving.

The bag was in the field - with the clothes she was wearing that day. For the police to know this I am guessing they must have pictures or videos of her, because no one as far as I know, saw her after she left the house. I know on the picture she was wearing particular items - but as us women quite often do - she could have changed at the last minute into something completely different and put those clothes into the bag, she had on. How else could you be 100 percent certain what someone was wearing if you don't see them. You wouldn't just make an assumption because of what someone is wearing in a pic? The police have now confirmed that these are the clothes she was wearing that day.

Then I go on to think - the phone was found close to the bus stop. My guess this is the first thing to go. That you can understand.

The clothing and bag is very puzzling. The clothes are defintely the clothes she was wearing that day - so where were these removed? The police dogs got no hit where the bag was found. Could his DNA on her clothes be from if he bundled her or carried her into the car - maybe if she was stunned with a taser - or if there was a struggle? Would that transfer DNA?

Just adding to my theory about the police having video or pictures from cctv of the car - (and maybe witness statements) They could possibly be working to a timeline of where the car was seen and when - limiting the distance he was able to travel within this time? and are searching in the areas based on that?

I think the bag was placed or tossed after he had travelled to wherever he went with Sierra and was on his way back. Doing this after shortly abducting is extremely risky. Like the above poster says, I wonder why he didn't just put them in a black bin liner and dispose in a rubbish skip, or burn them, or bury them. Why fold and place or toss into a field?

When do we get more information?

 

[SweetT]

I know the phone was found one day, and the purse like 2 days later. I wonder if the purse were there the whole time or if it appeared a day or two later.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Sierra LaMar Case Archive:

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[LittleMissContrary]

Regarding the cell phone; If the cell phone was tossed, and had no prints from the perp on the phone, then the perp was wearing gloves, or he was able to grab the phone and wipe it down before tossing it. If he was wearing gloves and left no prints on the phone, the prosecution might be able to show the pre meditated aspect of the crime( well it might be a stretch). The other possibility is that he told her to throw the phone. If she threw the phone then she could obviously not have been put into the trunk at that point in time.
It appears from the map that the phone would have been thrown from the drivers side, based on the direction they think the perp traveled after the abduction. I am not 100% certain, so please correct me if I have gotten the wrong impression.
Something else occurred to me this morning when I was thinking about this case. The vehicle that was stolen and later returned to the area was determined to be a trailer of some type, and I can't help but wonder if there might be a connection there.

 

[Zoe Zo]

It makes me so sad that they didn't find her as of yet. I hope they do soon. My heart hurts for the mom and family

 

[cluciano63]

I hope/wish that his prints or cells are on the phone...that would be one way to tie him to Sierra from the starting point of her being missing and then on to the bag.

They won't need to worry about premeditation as long as they can show she is deceased, as they have the special circumstances of kidnapping anyway. JMO

 

[Hopeful One]

I was offline all weekend. Did anything of interest happen that I may have missed? TIA

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I was offline all weekend. Did anything of interest happen that I may have missed? TIA

No, nothing. There has been a lot of speculation on the placement of the purse, that's about it.

 

[stillwatersc]

Does anyone think that she could have placed the bag there, if in fact the assault did occur there? Maybe she assumed she would need it and her clothing after and placed it there. In that case, I can imagine it would be easily left behind. Perhaps in a hurry to remove himself and her from the scene, he completely forgot that it was there

That could explain why it was there I suppose. only thing that I think is she would be somewhat frantic, and too scared to "place it" anywhere .

I have considered that and think it is as likely as any scenario. LE probably has a better idea of the timeline from the videos. They will most likely know if he left the bag first or disposed of Sierra first.

Thinking about the taser, I wonder if they found one when they searched the suspect's home & car. Is there any way they can determine if the taser - if found - was the one used in the prior assault. Does a taser leave burn marks that can be matched up? Could a taser have left marks or some kind of residue on the clothing found?

 

[Eileen730]

I was thinking about this today. In an earlier Nancy grace show there was someone talking on there about this. They said the damage on the phone was consistant with it being thrown from "the car" whilst moving.

The bag was in the field - with the clothes she was wearing that day. For the police to know this I am guessing they must have pictures or videos of her, because no one as far as I know, saw her after she left the house. I know on the picture she was wearing particular items - but as us women quite often do - she could have changed at the last minute into something completely different and put those clothes into the bag, she had on. How else could you be 100 percent certain what someone was wearing if you don't see them. You wouldn't just make an assumption because of what someone is wearing in a pic? The police have now confirmed that these are the clothes she was wearing that day.

Then I go on to think - the phone was found close to the bus stop. My guess this is the first thing to go. That you can understand.

The clothing and bag is very puzzling. The clothes are defintely the clothes she was wearing that day - so where were these removed? The police dogs got no hit where the bag was found. Could his DNA on her clothes be from if he bundled her or carried her into the car - maybe if she was stunned with a taser - or if there was a struggle? Would that transfer DNA?

Just adding to my theory about the police having video or pictures from cctv of the car - (and maybe witness statements) They could possibly be working to a timeline of where the car was seen and when - limiting the distance he was able to travel within this time? and are searching in the areas based on that?

I think the bag was placed or tossed after he had travelled to wherever he went with Sierra and was on his way back. Doing this after shortly abducting is extremely risky. Like the above poster says, I wonder why he didn't just put them in a black bin liner and dispose in a rubbish skip, or burn them, or bury them. Why fold and place or toss into a field?

When do we get more information?

I think they can prove she was in his car and i think his dna and maybe some fibers from his car are on her clothes found in the cacti plants...
I also think they have proof she died.
I think his ship is sunk....
JMO

 

[Hopeful One]

No, nothing. There has been a lot of speculation on the placement of the purse, that's about it.

Bummer.

Thanks tho!

 

[OldSteve]

I think you are right and usually the answer is the one most simple anyway.

It is way too complex for Sierra to be the one discarding the clothes while naked. Would a rapist ..soon to be murderer really let his naked victim out of his vehicle and control to run over to a shed and cactus to hide her own belongings? I just dont think so.

I have always felt the articles thrownout werent staged but they were simply discarded in a place he may have been to before and he couldnt have the possessions with him in the car nor could he take them home where his wife could find them.

ETA: Imo, he simply folded the clothes because they were easier to get in the bag than if he had just bunched them up.

IMO

It's been my belief that AGT took Sierra to that shed, and forced her to comply to his wishes once inside. He then made it like he was keeping her clothes there in her Juicy bag and showed her that the bag was being left outside protected by cacti so it would be there when he brings her back to let her go....
This was a all ruse to get her to so she would go with him (naked except for sneakers she had on) not knowing he had no plans to ever bring her back...

 

[BeginnersLuck]

It just doesn't make sense to me to be carting around a naked female. A female is really going to catch attention. I don't think it would be a deterant at all to escaping. If you feel you life is in danger you are going to try and get away naked or not. I just can't find any reason why he would have her strip and then take her to another location.

I'm more inclined to believe that where her cloths came off is the same place that the crime was committed.

 

[Lera213]

Maybe this is what he did: He takes Sierra by taser, puts her in the trunk, takes off, his adrenaline is probably pumping about now. He goes up 3rd heading northward instead of turning around, he goes up scheller ave, throws the phone, at this time I think Seirra while in the trunk has started to make a lot of noise in the trunk, no longer tased, and she is fighting, kicking, screaming...he has to subdue her, which means he has to pull over somewhere quiet out of the way. He turns right, and see's the old building from the main drag on Fisher and goes there, pulls in, notices nobody around, has the vehicle out of sight, opens the trunk, and this is where Sierra was killed. After he did that, he put her back in the trunk, and headed back down closer to his home, or where he was more familar, UVAS area, in or by that area to get rid of her body.

 

[dluke]

Individuals who have motivational problems may have Attention Deficit Disorder and/or depression. (I don't think this is the root of AGT's issues, though.)

I totally agree. (We can include those in the myriad of other issues I referenced). It's a rough road for some teens.