Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #2 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[SurfieTX]

As an aside, I asked her if she would have thought about "leaving a trail," and she said no way, no how would she throw her phone away in a situation like that.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

That is so true and it drives me nuts.

I've seen a few of em trip and fall or walk into mailboxes.

 

[liz b.]

I just asked my teen daughter randomly what she would do with her phone if she was abducted. She said she would have dialed 911 and left it on, dropped it beside the seat in hopes that 911 would track her signal.

She's a VERY smart girl... if the phone is turned on, and left on it can act as a recording device, as well as a tracking device... MOO

 

[swanniee11]

OFF TOPIC- for those of you who are following the Marjorie "Gayle" McCaffrey thread, an arrest is going to be made, and a news conf will be held at 5pm Eastern. Also, Debbie Pearson HER sister got custody of the 2 children. Sorry to interrupt.

 

[sarx]

I've seen a few of em trip and fall or walk into mailboxes.

Yep, watched one walk into a light pole yesterday. Clearly it would have been no problem for someone to come up next to them without being noticed.

 

[boaps]

There is a kind of upscale RV park not far down the road from Sierra's mom's house where my in-laws sometimes stay when they come to visit. I have been there in the summer and seems like there are a lot of random people travelling the country staying there. I don't know how many stay there long-term or how they could be tracked but it may be something LE should look at.

 

[KMouse]

Plus a lot of these kids (and older people too) wear ear buds to listen to their iPods etc.

 

[bellyup]

I have a 14yr old DD and i'm trying to figure out how something like this could have happened if it was by someone she may have known. A few things are going thru my head. 1st. My DD is not allowed to get in cars with other young drivers (including my nephew) if Sierra is, maybe a friend asked to borrow clothes etc and came to the house and picked her up, possible other friend or b/friend was in the car and it was a setup jealousy kind of thing. My children are allowed to get rides from parents that I know and before then get in their cars they MUST text/call me to let me know who that parent is. Now in this case, a parent could have pulled up and without Sierra realizing that there was nobody else in the car, she's trapped. Again, just throwing some ideas out there. This is all of course GUESSING or IMO and I hope I was able to get my thoughts out there correctly. UGH. Such a sad situation

I don't think there is any way this is a case of "mean girls" out to get Sierra. That purse would NOT have been tossed (assuming it's a genuine Juicy purse). Maybe the contents, but not the purse itself.

They aren't cheap and Juicy is a well loved and known brand. Since they said it had clothing in it, I'm guessing it to be a decent size bag. Likely in the $200-300 price tag range.
http://www.juicycouture.com/designer-handbags/handbags,default,sc.html?view=all

 

[bellyup]

Not if the plans were to go to her Dad's . All of that would be there. And why would the kidnapper make her neatly fold the clothes?

I've heard of kidnappers / killers doing stranger things. Rituals. OCD personality having to have it 'just right') . Perhaps it was simply a matter of function? Folded clothes might fit better into a bag (versus trying to stuff them?)

A lot of possibilities, IMO there's not enough info to say if it was an extra set ... or the set she was wearing. The question about the urine tells me the reporter knew something and was trying to find out more.

 

[Gem2626]

If my kids were young today and it was available, I would do it. I started a thread on this a while ago and people were pretty split over the idea, but to me my kids' safety would be #1.

Some of my dememntia clients at work have some kind of tag that tracks them if they decide to go wander. If they do then the police get alerted and can go find them. There should be some sort of device that kids can carry on them that they can discretely press should they get abducted. I live in the UK and actual abductions are rare (though there is someone in the local area at the moment attempting to abduct children). In the US there are a shocking amount of cases where this is happening. Of course most teenagers think they're invinsable so most probably wouldn't even carry something like that but even if it could save one child.....

 

[curious girl]

Hi I'm a newb :wave:

Im kind of thinking out loud trying to make things add up to me :banghead:

I have to say, I originally thought she was a runaway, but now I doubt it. Unless she planned on completely starting over and never wanted to be found.

I could actually see her throwing her phone out. IF she really didnt want to be found. If I was going to leave it all behind I'd be afraid of it getting tracked. I'm a square 19 year old and my mom had that Sprint family locator thing (before we switched carriers) on my phone that would have alerted her if I left the city.

But that doesn't make sense with more of her stuff showing up. And I'm not thinking its the case at all.

(sorry if this isn't allowed) On her twitter she told someone she wouldn't be in Freemont this weekend (the weekend she disappeared), but she would be next weekend.

But wait, wasn't she supposed to be there with her dad the weekend she disappeared?

Maybe she did plan on going somewhere else, but coming back or running away and eventually making it to Fremont?

Maybe she hid her stuff around and planned to come back and pick it up upon her return? From that tweet it sounds like *maybe* (if I'm recalling correctly that she was supposed to go with dad) she planned on not being where she was supposed to, but did plan on coming back.

Something of course, could have gone awry,

If I were taken out of my will I'd hold onto my phone for dear life.

But its of course one of the first things a criminal wants out of their victims hands. So maybe she was threatened that she'd be hurt if she didn't throw it out or whoever she was with took it.

I was in a dangerous situation in a car once and the first thing the person did was take my phone out of my hand - that's such a helpless feeling.
The first thing I did was pull out my phone to call for help and thinking back I should have tried to be conspicuous about it.

Don't a lot of criminals watch the news to gauge how far along detectives are?

Once the purse started being talked about and put on posters they may have decided to get rid of it. That of course would mean that they're not far away at all. Or (very unfortunate thought) they're at this point shoving the purse in our face.

About the urine: wouldn't that indicate death (as a sign of decay)? That is a weird question to ask out of the blue though.

 

[bellyup]

The dogs have no way of telling who took her or by what means, only that she stopped leaving a trail on foot there. She could have been bonked on the head, stepped into the car willingly, been grabbed and yanked in, been beamed up by aliens, sadly they can't give us those details!

Sorry, I've been bouncing on cases too much today (sick child home so I'm stuck being quiet) ................I got a sudden image of a SAR dog , eyes glazed over looking up toward the sky signaling alien abduction. I'm sure some perps wish they could blame the aliens. :what:

 

[Sassynic]

This may have been touched on but I haven't had a chance to read through all the posts.

What would be the purpose in making someone change out of their clothes if not to kidnap them and keep them alive for awhile? If someone planned to rape and murder, it doesn't seem likely they would have planned to have the victim remove her clothes to put other clothes on.

I can see ditching the cell phone, because duh...but why her clothes?

My theory is there was a stalker who meticulously planned her kidnapping. He knew her daily schedule, had a change of clothes waiting for her in his vehicle so he could whisk her away possibly through residential areas to his home or what have you. If he only planned to murder her in a remote area, why make her change clothes?

Thoughts?

 

[deca]

Some of my dememntia clients at work have some kind of tag that tracks them if they decide to go wander. If they do then the police get alerted and can go find them. There should be some sort of device that kids can carry on them that they can discretely press should they get abducted. I live in the UK and actual abductions are rare (though there is someone in the local area at the moment attempting to abduct children). In the US there are a shocking amount of cases where this is happening. Of course most teenagers think they're invinsable so most probably wouldn't even carry something like that but even if it could save one child.....

There are a number of different GPS like devices on the market for safety purposes. I was looking at one the other day.

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

This may have been touched on but I haven't had a chance to read through all the posts.

What would be the purpose in making someone change out of their clothes if not to kidnap them and keep them alive for awhile? If someone planned to rape and murder, it doesn't seem likely they would have planned to have the victim remove her clothes to put other clothes on.

I can see ditching the cell phone, because duh...but why her clothes?

My theory is there was a stalker who meticulously planned her kidnapping. He knew her daily schedule, had a change of clothes waiting for her in his vehicle so he could whisk her away possibly through residential areas to his home or what have you. If he only planned to murder her in a remote area, why make her change clothes?

Thoughts?

Maybe they thought a naked teenager wouldnt try to escape?

 

[katydid23]

Hi I'm a newb :wave:

Im kind of thinking out loud trying to make things add up to me :banghead:

I have to say, I originally thought she was a runaway, but now I doubt it. Unless she planned on completely starting over and never wanted to be found.

I could actually see her throwing her phone out. IF she really didnt want to be found. If I was going to leave it all behind I'd be afraid of it getting tracked. I'm a square 19 year old and my mom had that Sprint family locator thing (before we switched carriers) on my phone that would have alerted her if I left the city.

But that doesn't make sense with more of her stuff showing up. And I'm not thinking its the case at all.

(sorry if this isn't allowed) On her twitter she told someone she wouldn't be in Freemont this weekend (the weekend she disappeared), but she would be next weekend.

But wait, wasn't she supposed to be there with her dad the weekend she disappeared?

Maybe she did plan on going somewhere else, but coming back or running away and eventually making it to Fremont?

Maybe she hid her stuff around and planned to come back and pick it up upon her return? From that tweet it sounds like *maybe* (if I'm recalling correctly that she was supposed to go with dad) she planned on not being where she was supposed to, but did plan on coming back.

Something of course, could have gone awry,

If I were taken out of my will I'd hold onto my phone for dear life.

But its of course one of the first things a criminal wants out of their victims hands. So maybe she was threatened that she'd be hurt if she didn't throw it out or whoever she was with took it.

I was in a dangerous situation in a car once and the first thing the person did was take my phone out of my hand - that's such a helpless feeling.
The first thing I did was pull out my phone to call for help and thinking back I should have tried to be conspicuous about it.

Don't a lot of criminals watch the news to gauge how far along detectives are?

Once the purse started being talked about and put on posters they may have decided to get rid of it. That of course would mean that they're not far away at all. Or (very unfortunate thought) they're at this point shoving the purse in our face.

About the urine: wouldn't that indicate death (as a sign of decay)? That is a weird question to ask out of the blue though.

THank You for your thoughts and :welcome: to WS.

I agree that someone might have made her throw her cell out the window. And good point about the Juicy bag being on the news. That may have panicked someone and made them throw it out immediately.

 

[swanniee11]

Welcome curious girl!

 

[Gem2626]

There are a number of different GPS like devices on the market for safety purposes. I was looking at one the other day.

Oh riiiiight. Thanks..... not very up to date with technology! Good to know there are things out there.

 

[nursebeeme]

I agree about the texting-distractedness...

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she got dressed for school, locked the house and headed out to catch her bus.. texted her friend as she was walking up the driveway toward the bus stop and was put in a car there

If she wanted to throw all of her belongings out as she went in some car to run away I doubt she would do it a mile away from her house and right along the road.

I noticed on the map that alot of the houses sit back from the road (and it is a dead end) so that tells me that whomever was driving on that little road either
1) knew someone that lived there on the street/was there at the time (someone leaving for work at the same time she was walking to the bus stop)
2) worked in the area and had seen her walking to the bus before

I wonder if all the employees at the grass farm near the bus stop have been interviewed? I also noticed there is a scuba shop nearby

 

[Kat]

I'm still getting caught up from last night.

I don't know if this one is posted already. I don't remember seeing it but I may very well have.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/22/BAIE1NOQEO.DTL

Sierra's mother, Marlene LaMar, says she was leaving for work Friday when she last saw her daughter. The girl was in her pajamas and was getting ready to go to Sobrato High School in Morgan Hill, she said.

My underlining.

Investigators said they were focusing their search today on a 3-mile radius around Sierra's home, and were crafting it to find an injured person or evidence of a crime.

Looks like they are looking at this as more of a criminal case now even if they haven't outright said it.

Welcome to WS curious girl! My first thought when reading about the speculation about possible urine on the clothing found within the purse was the relaxation of the bladder upon death. (can see it in the sphincter muscle but sometimes the colon is empty, sometimes the bladder too so no evacuation).

I don't like this discovery. I don't think it bodes well for Sierra. I have to think on this for a bit, but it really is alarming to me.

all JMHO.