Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #2 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[bellyup]

Bolded by me.

Not discounting this at all. But to me it would be easier to make him disappear. KWIM? Go after him rather than one of his daughters.

Of course people can be illogical and do bizarre acts---we see that everyday.

But I would think any lingering resentment would be focused on the perp rather than the family members. KWIM?

Just speculating too

I think it could go either way. A LOGICAL person would go after the perpetrator. But sometimes people adopt a "tit for tat" mentality (and not to start a debate, but I think that line of thinking is more often ... male) . Or might think killing him is too easy. I've "lost" my daughter because he destroyed her, let him see how it feels to lose his little girl.

My SO's first response "I'd make sure he'd never see his daughter again." Now... he's logical. He means that he'd make sure he didn't have visitation / custody of his child. But an ILLOGICAL person might take that initial gut tit for tat response to another extreme.

 

[cluciano63]

You've got me thinking...the jumper in the picture seems to have a picture of a shark on it and her mum said when she first went missing that she may have been wearing a jumper similar. I think she gave the make of the jumper but I assumed as there was a shark in the name that it was the same jumper. Surely it wouldn't be difficult to rule out whether she did have this jumper by looking through her wardrobe?!

You would think so....these sweatshirts are worn as kind of a jacket most of the time, by teens. It is either there in her house or it isn't...you would think they would say.

 

[Hisimage]

Hi all-- took me awhile to catch up but I have a thought. I am hoping it is still on topic by the time it posts since this topic is going so fast.

Earlier in a post somebody mentions she took a picture for her mother the day before of what she was wearing.

In the beginning of this discussion I thought "Oh, maybe she planned on changing once she got to school" the ole switch what you are really wearing to school routine. But I then realized it was jeans and T-shirt and she wouldn't switch into that only later to realize if her mother is gone when she goes to school--- she could wear what she wanted and switch before going home. Trust me, some of the things people wear these days... I KNOW parents just can't know. Why the bra and panties? who knows? same reason? there are some underwear that a parent may not think appropriate for a teenager.

The neatly folded clothing would indicate no wrinkles in your clothing by the time you put them on. And a beautiful girls such as she is with her stylish taste a Juicy purse and she is going to pack jeans and a T-shirt to go play hooky in, or go away for the weekend? I think her clothing was the other way around.

JMO What do you guys think?

And by the way, my girls have tons of backpacks are rarely use them. They are always shoving their books in purses and totes. They NEVER leave home without their make-up and they are 15 and 17.

 

[Ransom]

Sierra's sister, Danielle LaMar, 21, said despite her father's conviction and her parents' divorce, the family of four remains tight-knit. "I've always been really close with my dad," she said.

The night before Sierra disappeared, Danielle LaMar left Sacramento State for spring break and joined her father at his Fremont townhouse. On their way back from dinner, Sierra, a 5-foot-2-inch brunette, called. They put her on speakerphone.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/top...er-missing-morgan-hill-girl-asks-public-focus

Townhouse, not motel.

 

[katydid23]

You've got me thinking...the jumper in the picture seems to have a picture of a shark on it and her mum said when she first went missing that she may have been wearing a jumper similar. I think she gave the make of the jumper but I assumed as there was a shark in the name that it was the same jumper. Surely it wouldn't be difficult to rule out whether she did have this jumper by looking through her wardrobe?!

yes, that was a San Jose Sharks Hoodie that she was wearing the day before. And originally it was reported that she MAY have been wearing it the day she went misssing. So I think they may have looked and not seen it and assumed she wore it again the next morning.

[ then again being 15 she might have left it at school or in a restaurant or something.]

 

[Kat]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/203308/288/Search-continues-for-missing-Calif-teen

video of area at very beginning of where purse was found.

 

[bellyup]

Sierra's sister, Danielle LaMar, 21, said despite her father's conviction and her parents' divorce, the family of four remains tight-knit. "I've always been really close with my dad," she said.

The night before Sierra disappeared, Danielle LaMar left Sacramento State for spring break and joined her father at his Fremont townhouse. On their way back from dinner, Sierra, a 5-foot-2-inch brunette, called. They put her on speakerphone.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/top...er-missing-morgan-hill-girl-asks-public-focus

Townhouse, not motel.

It was reported that he had (recently) lived at a hotel but residents said he hadn't been there in several months (apparently had moved to the townhouse).

 

[Ransom]

It was reported that he had (recently) lived at a hotel but residents said he hadn't been there in several months (apparently had moved to the townhouse).

Correct. But he doesn't live in a motel NOW which is being said here. He moved more than 6 months ago according to this:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8587864
He says he is innocent of any crime and pled guilty based on bad legal advice, but is still officially a sex offender. The address currently listed for LaMar on Megan's Law website is a Motel 6 - LaMar hasn't lived there for at least the past six months.

 

[JDB]

I stand corrected I knew 1999 was one of the dates. I was doing that from work and sneaking in and out of here. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[Kat]

Correct. But he doesn't live in a motel NOW which is being said here. He moved more than 6 months ago according to this:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8587864
He says he is innocent of any crime and pled guilty based on bad legal advice, but is still officially a sex offender. The address currently listed for LaMar on Megan's Law website is a Motel 6 - LaMar hasn't lived there for at least the past six months.

my comment is off topic to Sierra so please excuse or just ignore.

You're kidding me? Uh-huh. Yeah. Puuuuleese.

Okay sorry about that just had to comment. Please ignore.


Carry on.

 

[bellyup]

I stand corrected I knew 1999 was one of the dates. I was doing that from work and sneaking in and out of here. Thanks for correcting me.

Oh I wasn't correcting. LOL. I still can't figure out when it ACTUALLY was :waitasec::floorlaugh: Sometime between 1999 and 2009 he did something with either one or three girls and was convicted in either 2007 or 2009 and went to jail for either 8 months or 12 months. :banghead:

 

[katydid23]

Oh I wasn't correcting. LOL. I still can't figure out when it ACTUALLY was :waitasec::floorlaugh: Sometime between 1999 and 2009 he did something with either one or three girls and was convicted in either 2007 or 2009 and went to jail for either 8 months or 12 months. :banghead:

And he plead GUILTY only because of bad legal advice. ???? RIIIGGHHTTTT.


Hard for me to believe that someone would plead guilty to molesting a little girl if they were innocent. imo

 

[liz b.]

Had Sierra ever had a boy friend ? I know it was said by the family that she didn't right now...but, I wonder about when she lived back in Fremont ? MOO

 

[bellyup]

And he plead GUILTY only because of bad legal advice. ???? RIIIGGHHTTTT.
Hard for me to believe that someone would plead guilty to molesting a little girl if they were innocent. imo

I wish I could dig something up about it to find out what the truth of the matter really is. I have to say ... I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt with RSO statuses until I know the facts. I've seen too many cases of people getting labeled as RSO's when it really should NOT have applied when you look at the entire case. I know I'm probably the minority with that, but several second hand experiences have lead me to not completely trust the "RSO" status until I know details.

 

[katydid23]

I wish I could dig something up about it to find out what the truth of the matter really is. I have to say ... I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt with RSO statuses until I know the facts. I've seen too many cases of people getting labeled as RSO's when it really should NOT have applied when you look at the entire case. I know I'm probably the minority with that, but several second hand experiences have lead me to not completely trust the "RSO" status until I know details.

True, but this was supposedly a friend of his daughters. This was not a teenager who said she was 18 and turned out to be 15.

But I agree, maybe it was untrue. I know a guy whose ex-wife convinced his 9 yr old stepdaughter to make up an abuse accusation during their divorce. He was found guilty but eventually the girl recanted but it is still on the record because the wife says she recanted out of fear. The judge did not turn it around. It is tragic because people who know them say the ex is a crazy, evil witch. But it is hard to prove that in court.

 

[cluciano63]

Had Sierra ever had a boy friend ? I know it was said by the family that she didn't right now...but, I wonder about when she lived back in Fremont ? MOO

No word on that, but I can't imagine she didn't have boyfriends. Whether her parents knew about it or not, may be another matter. JMO

 

[SuziQ]

I have a really hard time swallowing that a prosecutor would let him plea no contest to one charge knowing the sentencing was going to be light in that situation if he had indeed molested THREE little girls. I know that sometimes things are done so girls don't have to testify, etc. but the thought that a prosecutor and the families of the girls would allow all those charges to drop ..... makes me queasy and hoppin' mad :maddening:.

I agree, I hope LE is checking into possible retaliation against her dad by one of the victims families. It's certainly possible.

But we see this all the time at WS. Plea downs for virtually no time served. Even in the most henious crimes we see this. Why would his case be any different?

 

[Ransom]

Had Sierra ever had a boy friend ? I know it was said by the family that she didn't right now...but, I wonder about when she lived back in Fremont ? MOO

Only thing I've heard or read about boys.......
From NG transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/20/ng.01.html

CLAIRE N, FRIEND OF MISSING TEEN GIRL, SIERRA LAMAR: It`s really hard for a lot of us. But we`re just trying to keep -- stay strong because we`re not going to give up.

COSBY: No, don`t you dare. She looks like a beautiful young gal, so many people have said great things about her. Tell us about your dear friend.

N: She -- like, excuse me. She walks in a room, like, she would light up the room. Everyone loved her. And no one would think that this would happen to someone like this because she`s so innocent.

COSBY: Claire, was she dating anyone or was she having a relationship with anyone?

N: No. Not that we know of, but I`m pretty sure no.

COSBY: Would she have told friends if she was close to somebody?

N: Yes.

COSBY: Was there anybody who was angry at her?

N: There were a few girls who didn`t like her. But it didn`t really get to her.

COSBY: Would there have been any reason for her to run away? I understand that she moved schools, and that was a little bit of a transition, but was there any reason for her to run away? Is she the type of person who would have wanted to run away from home?

N: No, not at all. She was always happy.

COSBY: I understand she liked to dance, too. Dance and music. What -- tell us a little bit about things that she would love as we are looking at beautiful 15-year-old Sierra Lamar.

N: Music, that was like everything to her. She would always be listening to music.

COSBY: And a responsible person, right?

N: Yes.

Edited to remove friend's name.

 

[bellyup]

True, but this was supposedly a friend of his daughters. This was not a teenager who said she was 18 and turned out to be 15.

But I agree, maybe it was untrue. I know a guy whose ex-wife convinced his 9 yr old stepdaughter to make up an abuse accusation during their divorce. He was found guilty but eventually the girl recanted but it is still on the record because the wife says she recanted out of fear. The judge did not turn it around. It is tragic because people who know them say the ex is a crazy, evil witch. But it is hard to prove that in court.

OT but ONE of several stories as to why I don't always trust the RSO status.

I have a close close friend who is gay and drove a school bus. He got into a bar altercation after a man attacked him verbally and physically in a bar (it was anti-gay driven). My friend ended up filing charges on the man who attacked him. There was a lot of hoopla and stuff in the papers about it. This was a really really small town and sadly a homophobic area.

Turns out, the man who attacked him was the son of one of two judges in the small town. Shortly after a boy on his bus said my friend touched him inappropriately. Within weeks of that going public, he had FOUR charges from four different boys including one for sodomized rape.

Ultimately, his only choice was to plea no contest in order to have the other charges dropped. He served 3 years and is an RSO for life, yet I have NO DOUBTS at all that he did NOTHING to those boys. I've known him since we were 4 years old. Years later, one of the boys spoke to the papers about it and said that my friend had never touched him. That he had been TOLD what to say by his parents. Who just happened to be extremely close to the judge. It was very HATE driven targeting

 

[amber1]

http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news...cle_db3bf222-744a-11e1-b2b5-001a4bcf6878.html
doesn't sound good,