Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #4 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[katydid23]

I cannot find anywhere where the term "freshly laundered" was used. No video and not online print article. So.............

There are a couple of us who remember hearing that exact term used. I cannot find it right now either, but i will keep looking. I know someone used it at the beginning.

 

[Paulette]

I don't think they're cameras. You'd think someone would have cameras!

 

[gngr~snap]

IF you find anything interesting, go here Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
to the Search for Sierra forum. They are making maps, etc.

Nowadays pinhole cameras are used more often you won't see this unless you go to the home and look for an infrared signal through a cell camera...
http://www.hiddenpinholecameras.com/wired-hidden-cameras.htm
http://gadgetspider.com/secure-your-home-with-jmc-1-2-ghz-wireless-surveillance-camera/

pinhole surveillance cam

sprinkler cam

 

[sarx]

Has there been LE confirmation that the 2 items were found on opposite sides of the road? A link would be great!

 

[sarx]

I don't think they're cameras. You'd think someone would have cameras!

I believe one is the edge of a dish, the other a vent for a bathroom or something similar.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Possible of course, but I hope not.

I really wanted to believe that Sierra was runaway but logic sets in after awhile.

Sierra was too social to have dropped off the face of the earth for this long.

Something horrible had to happen to her.

The truth can be very brutal sometimes.

My heart aches for her family.

IMO

 

[HauntsForHope]

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One of our granddaughters has a purse just like this one.

IMO

 

[Caligram]

I am sure that her cell was tossed immediately. That leads me to wonder if she was already subdued in some manner, and not visible from the passenger window. Perhaps someone got cuffs on her, or had an accomplice holding her down.
I wouldn't be surprised if she was eventually dumped in a well-hidden very remote location quite far away from her home. The longer she is undiscovered the harder it will be to gather trace evidence, and a river or lake may have been chosen. The car, well that may have been a rental car, already returned if this was all pre-planned. Could be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
There are so many children missing, and I think that when and if found they will not be close to home. The exception being a parent/step-parent who was involved in their own child's "disappearance".
I still go with my original theory that Sierra's bag was not disposed of at the time she was abducted. It was placed there "after" whatever was done to this girl, and probably because it was like a red flag, saying" lookie here". I don't think many murdered children are buried underground anymore, and even predators are getting more savvy about leaving evidence behind. It is my understanding that water washes away surface evidence. OMG I'm too old to be thinking about this gory stuff, but then I think "what if this was my grandchild?" and I get emotionally entangled in another new case.
I wish all children were ear-marked or toe-marked with GPS locators. Privacy issues become superfluous when lives are at stake.
IMHO

 

[gngr~snap]

Oh well me and the little yellow man at google tried! I looked at every roof and homefront. That's all I saw but it's blurry to me. lol

 

[JDB]

Has there been LE confirmation that the 2 items were found on opposite sides of the road? A link would be great!

Sarx it still is not clear what side of the road either were found on. That is what has me bugged everyone is saying the prep threw the phone out . But if that is the case they would have to throw it across at least one lane of traffic. I have been on that road to many times.

 

[Ransom]

Has there been LE confirmation that the 2 items were found on opposite sides of the road? A link would be great!

Not that I've heard/read. Sgt. Cardoza wouldn't say in his presser ... which direction.. IMO

 

[nutkin]

I am sure that her cell was tossed immediately. That leads me to wonder if she was already subdued in some manner, and not visible from the passenger window. Perhaps someone got cuffs on her, or had an accomplice holding her down.
I wouldn't be surprised if she was eventually dumped in a well-hidden very remote location quite far away from her home. The longer she is undiscovered the harder it will be to gather trace evidence, and a river or lake may have been chosen. The car, well that may have been a rental car, already returned if this was all pre-planned. Could be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
There are so many children missing, and I think that when and if found they will not be close to home. The exception being a parent/step-parent who was involved in their own child's "disappearance".
I still go with my original theory that Sierra's bag was not disposed of at the time she was abducted. It was placed there "after" whatever was done to this girl, and probably because it was like a red flag, saying" lookie here". I don't think many murdered children are buried underground anymore, and even predators are getting more savvy about leaving evidence behind. It is my understanding that water washes away surface evidence. OMG I'm too old to be thinking about this gory stuff, but then I think "what if this was my grandchild?" and I get emotionally entangled in another new case.
I wish all children were ear-marked or toe-marked with GPS locators. Privacy issues become superfluous when lives are at stake.
IMHO

Water does not wash away fingerprints unless whatever the item is were soaked in water for a very long time. Water can actually make prints on some objects bolder.

And I say all the time that I want to get a GPS chip implanted on my children. They can have it removed on their 18th birthday.

 

[obscured]

I havent heard LE say they were freshly laundered. If she just put them on that morning I am sure they were all clean though. Imo, she did not have a chance to wear them for very long.

This is just my opinion.

I think the perp kidnapped her at the end of the driveway as she was going out to catch the bus. I also think they had been watching her before they kidnapped her.

I also have been thinking about the phone being found on one side of the road and the purse with the clothing and books inside being found on the other side of the road if I have that part correct.

They would immediately throw the phone out so she could not use it. I then think they took her to a remote area and made her strip by taking all of her clothes off including her bra and panties. Sadly, I think they most likely raped and murdered her there and hid her body either in a shallow grave or a pond. Once they came out of the area and onto the road again they turned in the opposite direction and threw all of her possessions away (books and clothing in purse.)

I also think that the perp or perps have left the area and did so soon after the crime.

IMO

This is what I think too. As soon as I heard her bag and clothes were found, I came up with the same scenario. Not sure if I read whether the phone and bag were found on opposite sides of the street or not, but it would make sense that the phone was left on the way out of the area, and the bag left on the way back if they were on opposite sides.

I never read anything about her clothing being freshly laundered. I only read that LE didn't know if they were worn or not when the info was first announced, then later read that LE believed they were the clothes she was wearing the morning she disappeared (which I think is right).

IMO

 

[Ransom]

Sarx it still is not clear what side of the road either were found on. That is what has me bugged everyone is saying the prep threw the phone out . But if that is the case they would have to throw it across at least one lane of traffic. I have been on that road to many times.

One street going in each direction. Toss the phone over the car into the tall weed. Not toss across traffic.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ8gEwAA

hit street view to see the two lane road near where the items were found.

 

[sarx]

One street going in each direction. Toss the phone over the car into the tall weed. Not toss across traffic.

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...code_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCAQ8gEwAA

hit street view to see the two lane road near where the items were found.

Thanks. I was out there yesterday. The roadside is pretty much etched into my brain at this point.

 

[sarx]

I'm sure not connected, but to keep it handy anyways.
http://kron4.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=3581

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am sure that her cell was tossed immediately. That leads me to wonder if she was already subdued in some manner, and not visible from the passenger window. Perhaps someone got cuffs on her, or had an accomplice holding her down.
I wouldn't be surprised if she was eventually dumped in a well-hidden very remote location quite far away from her home. The longer she is undiscovered the harder it will be to gather trace evidence, and a river or lake may have been chosen. The car, well that may have been a rental car, already returned if this was all pre-planned. Could be like looking for a needle in a haystack.
There are so many children missing, and I think that when and if found they will not be close to home. The exception being a parent/step-parent who was involved in their own child's "disappearance".
I still go with my original theory that Sierra's bag was not disposed of at the time she was abducted. It was placed there "after" whatever was done to this girl, and probably because it was like a red flag, saying" lookie here". I don't think many murdered children are buried underground anymore, and even predators are getting more savvy about leaving evidence behind. It is my understanding that water washes away surface evidence. OMG I'm too old to be thinking about this gory stuff, but then I think "what if this was my grandchild?" and I get emotionally entangled in another new case.
I wish all children were ear-marked or toe-marked with GPS locators. Privacy issues become superfluous when lives are at stake.
IMHO

I am hoping that the old standard rule applies if she is out there somewhere and is deceased.

I have read countless articles through the years that most often a victim is found within a 5 mile radius from where they went missing. Of course there are exceptions but as a general rule they are not taken far away if the perp is a stranger to the victim. Now a mother who murders her own children tends to dispose of their body close to their home and a father who does the same often takes the child or children far away from where they were killed to discard their bodies.

If this is a stranger, and I think it is, there would be no need for them to take the body far away. They would want to discard the body as quickly as possible, imo.

I think they most likely took her to a remote area a few miles from her home and after they gravely harmed her they disposed of her in that same general area. Men tend to bury their victims...much more than females. Men also can toss their victims in bodies of water and females do this too.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is what I think too. As soon as I heard her bag and clothes were found, I came up with the same scenario. Not sure if I read whether the phone and bag were found on opposite sides of the street or not, but it would make sense that the phone was left on the way out of the area, and the bag left on the way back if they were on opposite sides.

I never read anything about her clothing being freshly laundered. I only read that LE didn't know if they were worn or not when the info was first announced, then later read that LE believed they were the clothes she was wearing the morning she disappeared (which I think is right).

IMO

Yes, what was left? In her pictures I didnt notice her wearing jewelry but I havent seen all the photos. So everything she had on was found in the purse and the book or books she carried and her cell phone discarded.

I think the clothes would still smell fresh since she had just put them on that morning. Maybe that is where the 'freshly laundered' came from.

 

[Paulette]

Not that I've heard/read. Sgt. Cardoza wouldn't say in his presser ... which direction.. IMO

God, who knows! There are too many choices to contemplate. Take 101 to the many feeder freeways & she could be in Pacifica in a half hour or Oakland in fifteen, or San Jose.

It all depends on the perp. Does he live or work near her house?

I'm thinking a worker - Mars in Virgo in the 6th house of work.

I read a few pages back that "some workers weren't at work on Friday" having to do with farming or grass.

That would be an ideal time for the perp to drive by when he knows his work mates won't be around to see him and snatch her. He's been watching her and noted the time the bus comes.