Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #5 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[GrainneDhu]

And I'm the opposite. I dont know of one person that changed underwear after PE. That just seems weird. JMO

I think the norm probably changes from school to school. If we could ask some of the girls from Sierra's class at Sobrato High, that might provide a more definitive answer.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I've been following the Sierra Lamar case from day 1. I've been trying to post here for a few days now and was finally just able to get an account on here! Thank you Chico!!

So I'm quite young but I really feel connected to this case. I'm about 20 minutes away from where Sierra lives and I have mutual friends with Sierra so I of course immediately connected with her. My heart is broken for Sierra.. truly. She is such a beautiful girl and unfortunately the exact type of person a perp would want to get. Young, beautiful, TINY (easy to just take without much of a fight).

Anyways, I NEVER bought the runaway theory. I just never did. I don't think that the bag and the phone would have been left on the side of the road like that. If someone wants to run away they want everything gone... they wouldn't leave their possessions in an open area especially right near their own home. Even if Sierra planned to runaway for a short time there is NO WAY that she would have left her phone. That phone was connected to that girl.

I think that she was taken from her driveway and that it was definitely someone she casually knew or it happened so fast she literally had no time to react to the situation. I see Sierra as being a trusting person not in the sense that she would just get into a stranger's car but that she would probably be polite if she were approached by someone looking for a light, directions, etc. I think that the perp obviously knew her schedule... her home is at the very end of the cul de sac there's no way that someone would just randomly go down that street and target her house, which is pretty secluded.

I think the phone and bag were dropped on the way out of the area and I don't really think that the clothes being neatly folded in the bag are an indicator of who the perp is. Girls bring an extra pair of clothes all the time! Sorry gentlemen on the board.. gonna go girl talk here... perhaps it was that time of the month and she brought an extra pair of jeans/underwear just in case? She might have brought the shirt because it would have been more comfortable and would have gone with the jeans she brought as an extra pair? She was quite fashionable and I could see her matching just a basic shirt with the jeans. It would also explain why there was no make-up, hairbrush, or any other personal items that you'd take for a short trip. I don't think the perp came back and dropped the bag and phone off afterwards. That phone was the first thing thrown from the car and the perp was very smart for doing so. Next, was the bag. I think the perp just wanted all of Sierra's belongings out of their car. The less amount of time they were with him the better. I one hundred percent think they are local and that they are following the case. Would NOT surprise me if they attended the vigils or the searches.

I could DEFINITELY see the perp being in the driveway with a car in tow if they were a co-worker or acquaintance of the boyfriend. Sierra could have walked out, have seen them before and not be alarmed. The person could have said some BS story about meeting the boyfriend before work or something and offered Sierra a ride to the bus stop. Honestly, anything could have happened. The one thing that's for certain is that if the dogs were accurate and she didn't make it past the driveway I just don't see a random perp taking that big of a chance going down the cul de sac. Then again some perps are just insanely lucky in terms of witnesses.

Just my two cents.

Sierra, I'm praying every day for you and we will NOT stop looking for you until you are found.

Thank you! I have had the same thoughts as you. You can offer some good insight being you are close to her age with mutual friends. Like I said before, I do believe someone was watching her and couldn't resist the urge anymore or the timing was just right that day with no one around. If by chance the perp or perps were waiting for an oportunistic time to abduct her, they would have been paying attention to other activity in the area. I think the farm workers working in a different field that day may be a clue as to why the perp chose that day and that route.

Being a little familiar with teens from my own daughter and myself when I was a teen, I don't find anything unusual about the bag or communication via phone or other social media to indicate this is anything other than a abduction. I feel like maybe I am missing something that others more experienced here are considering.

 

[sarx]

sarx or Oriah are more qualified to answer this but here's my unverified opinion anyway.

I know from doing it that dogs can track a human being across a heavily travelled road with lots of traffic. It's not ideal tracking conditions but it can be done.

The weather that day was fairly nice for tracking: on the cool side with a light rain after the track was laid.

Yes, there was no doubt increased traffic on the cul-de-sac but I doubt it was so much that it would make an insurmountable tracking problem.

The dog handlers wouldn't just follow their dogs to the end of the driveway where the dogs lost the track. Since the route she was supposed to follow was known, they would have taken their dogs at least that far to see if the dogs would indicate again. And they'd probably cast around the area, just to see if they could find her fresh scent off her expected route.

It's hard for me to believe that every single vestige of her scent from Friday had been obliterated from the entire 0.4 mile route. I think it's more likely that there was no fresh scent to be found after the end of the driveway, indicating that she was taken into a vehicle in some manner.

Yep, you got it.

 

[rosesfromangels]

And I'm the opposite. I dont know of one person that changed underwear after PE. That just seems weird. JMO

The big difference here, I would suggest, is that Sierra was an "athlete", not just participating in PE. I would guess that someone doing cheerleading practise would sweat to the point of requiring a complete clothes change, vs. just going through the motions of a PE class. Just a thought.

 

[liz b.]

Forgive me, mods, for I am sinning. I don't have a link for it but I seem to recall that LE said that the last text from her phone at 7:11 am came from inside her house.

Her school bus stop was 0.4 miles away, so more like a 10 minute stroll (assuming time to close doors, text, text, text). A comfortable walking pace for an adult in reasonably good shape is a 15 minute mile (note: no texting involved <snrk>).

So far as I know, it has never been identified exactly where the neighbour lives who said she saw Sierra going back and forth from the bus stop. If that neighbour's view is closer to the bus stop, there probably wasn't anything for her to see.

The trailing dog lost her scent at the end of the driveway. Two of WS verified posters (sarx and Oriah) have indicated they know or know of the dogs used in that area and have good opinions of them.

It all paints a picture..MOO. Last text was inside her house. Dogs lost her scent at the driveway.Neighbor lady didn't see her walking by that day....

I will *assume* that the gate was open. And a car pulled into the driveway,at the end of the driveaway close to the gateway. Maybe the person(s) in the car got out and knocked on the door... Sierra felt comfortable enough to get in the car.

As to the identity of the driver...could have been someone from Fremont. MOO Could have been a family friend. Could even have been a neighbor... But,probably not a total stranger. MOO

Problem with this is that LE could have,and would have, checked any and all such persons early on... IDK, but it seems like there is a lot LE is holding back here...MOO

 

[KrazyKatLadi]

The big difference here, I would suggest, is that Sierra was an "athlete", not just participating in PE. I would guess that someone doing cheerleading practise would sweat to the point of requiring a complete clothes change, vs. just going through the motions of a PE class. Just a thought.

I graduated in '94, girls might be different now but...I was a cheerleader from 8th until 11th grade and we also had PE daily and I can't think of one girl that changed bra or panties and only 2 or 3 that would actually shower. We didn't want anyone to see us naked and I wouldn't be carrying around dirty underwear all day. JMO

But who knows? Everyone is different. Id really like clarification on whether her books and other supplies were found as well. Sine reports says only clothes and some say books as well

 

[Ransom]

I graduated in '94, girls might be different now but...I was a cheerleader from 8th until 11th grade and we also had PE daily and I can't think of one girl that changed bra or panties and only 2 or 3 that would actually shower. We didn't want anyone to see us naked and I wouldn't be carrying around dirty underwear all day. JMO

But who knows? Everyone is different. Id really like clarification on whether her books and other supplies were found as well. Sine reports says only clothes and some say books as well

msnbc.com Video Player
at around the 1:04 mark Sheriff talks about her Juicy bag and "it was her school books"

 

[oceanblueeyes]

When I was in high school and packing a change of clothes for PE day, I always took fresh underwear as well. All my girlfriends did; so far as I know, we all did.

We'd gotten all sweaty and icky during PE, so we didn't want to put those undies back on!

But Marlene hasnt even said Sierra ever did this for PE. All she said was Sierra sometime exchanged other clothing with her friends and to me that excludes a bra and her panties.

I think the kidnapper stripped her off and put all of her clothing in the purse along with her book(s.)

One thing Steve said and that was he was baffled by the clothing being found in her purse. So this does not make sense to him, imo, like he knows Sierra wouldnt do this.

JMO though

 

[nutkin]

The big difference here, I would suggest, is that Sierra was an "athlete", not just participating in PE. I would guess that someone doing cheerleading practise would sweat to the point of requiring a complete clothes change, vs. just going through the motions of a PE class. Just a thought.

I played basketball in high school and never changed underwear afterward. No one did. No one showered either.

 

[liz b.]

1st BBM: Thank You for this info -- which I did not know ... sure would like to know why she was moved to another school just a couple of months after the start of the school year ...

2nd BBM: I totally agree ...


I mostly :lurk: here on this thread and do not post much because "my opninion" would not be welcomed ... there are many things that I "see" that sends my radar up to the roof ...

Hoping that Sierra is found soon ...

JMO ... :moo:

I know what you mean...MOO Thing is,though, if this had been a move over something going wrong in a big way in Fremont, wouldn't Sierra have been more vocal about it on her twitter and tumblr accounts ? There is just not a lot that she mentions about the move, reasons why it happened etc. Unless such posts were removed,for some reason ?

 

[stillwatersc]

My boys had PE Uniforms that they kept in their locker (until I insisted they bring them home to wash!) They would change into & out of their uniforms for PE. Back when I went to HS we brought shorts & t-shirts for PE, changed before PE & showered & changed back into our school clothes after.

 

[Skully]

I have a question. They found the phone near the bus stop about 1/2 mile away, so was the backpack just over looked or didn't they go that far when searching. The backpack contained her purse, books and neatly folded cloths. If you are in a car, moving lets say 35 mph, how long to get from the house where she was taken, to the place where the phone was tossed to the backpack where it was found. Now bear with me here. I am driving and lets say someone else is confining her to the car, and tossing stuff out, how far off the road are the items found? Would they be able to toss them that far? Also if they took her cloths, how did they get them neatly folded and into the backpack, as the car is driving. Is the distance relative to the time frame to do these acts and then toss the backpack and keep moving?

No shoes were found, so if she was told to take cloths off or someone did it for her, you have to get shoes off first and then the cloths. If a person is unconscious it is quite difficult to do in a back seat of a car. Measure the time to get the cloths off and neatly packed into the backpack with the distance the car traveled; is this feasible? If not, they were cloths she took with her.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't believe the clothes in the bag are the clothes she wore that morning...her shoes should have been found by now, for one thing. I also don't believe she was made to undress in the car so near her home, if at all. The main thing would be to get out of the area as quickly as possible, not hang around long enough for her take off her clothes so that you can toss the bag. And I also don't believe the items would have been returned to the area if she taken elsewhere. All just JMO, based on nothing.

 

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[Ransom]

I have a question. They found the phone near the bus stop about 1/2 mile away, so was the backpack just over looked or didn't they go that far when searching. The backpack contained her purse, books and neatly folded cloths. If you are in a car, moving lets say 35 mph, how long to get from the house where she was taken, to the place where the phone was tossed to the backpack where it was found. Now bear with me here. I am driving and lets say someone else is confining her to the car, and tossing stuff out, how far off the road are the items found? Would they be able to toss them that far? Also if they took her cloths, how did they get them neatly folded and into the backpack, as the car is driving. Is the distance relative to the time frame to do these acts and then toss the backpack and keep moving?

No shoes were found, so if she was told to take cloths off or someone did it for her, you have to get shoes off first and then the cloths. If a person is unconscious it is quite difficult to do in a back seat of a car. Measure the time to get the cloths off and neatly packed into the backpack with the distance the car traveled; is this feasible? If not, they were cloths she took with her.

There is no backpack. SL carried her stuff in her Juicy bag. No scent were found around the fields where items were found. Searchers found the items and pings led to her cellphone. Bag found further down the same street one day later after finding her cellphone.

Presser where Juicy bag findings are discussed: article/video of Sgt. Cardoza
http://www.morganhilltimes.com/news...cle_db3bf222-744a-11e1-b2b5-001a4bcf6878.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I have a question. They found the phone near the bus stop about 1/2 mile away, so was the backpack just over looked or didn't they go that far when searching. The backpack contained her purse, books and neatly folded cloths. If you are in a car, moving lets say 35 mph, how long to get from the house where she was taken, to the place where the phone was tossed to the backpack where it was found. Now bear with me here. I am driving and lets say someone else is confining her to the car, and tossing stuff out, how far off the road are the items found? Would they be able to toss them that far? Also if they took her cloths, how did they get them neatly folded and into the backpack, as the car is driving. Is the distance relative to the time frame to do these acts and then toss the backpack and keep moving?

No shoes were found, so if she was told to take cloths off or someone did it for her, you have to get shoes off first and then the cloths. If a person is unconscious it is quite difficult to do in a back seat of a car. Measure the time to get the cloths off and neatly packed into the backpack with the distance the car traveled; is this feasible? If not, they were cloths she took with her.

Bern, they didnt find a backpack. They only found her purse with her clothing and books inside of it.

The bus driver was interviewed and said Sierra held her books in her arms instead of in a backpack.

We just dont know........ it is like trying to read tealeaves when it comes to what actually happened during the abduction. They may have allowed her to put her shoes back on if they were going to lead her futher up in the wilderness.

You could tell her father, Steve, does not believe Sierra put those clothes in her purse, imo.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't believe the clothes in the bag are the clothes she wore that morning...her shoes should have been found by now, for one thing. I also don't believe she was made to undress in the car so near her home, if at all. The main thing would be to get out of the area as quickly as possible, not hang around long enough for her take off her clothes so that you can toss the bag. And I also don't believe the items would have been returned to the area if she taken elsewhere. All just JMO, based on nothing.

We dont know what kind of monster we are dealing with here. Predators have been known to keep some of the items belonging to his victims.

I have nothing to base it on that Sierra wasnt wearing these clothes when she left that morning.

IMO

 

[mamacita]

What doesnt make sense to me along with her outter clothing.. her bra and panties were inside the Juicy Purse too.

imo

she could have been wearing a sports bra for PE. i know when i go out to exercise, i never wear a regular bra. and a lot of times, i wont wear "cute" undies under my sweats and/or yoga pants if im gonna be sweating like crazy. i'd wear the ugly stuff and save the cute stuff for after i was showered and nice and clean. just my 2cents.

 

[Amster]

I don't believe that her father would know if she did carry clothes in her purse or not. Just MOO

 

[JDB]

I am on Facebook. I have a twitter account but do not use it as I did not have a smartphone when I set it up and just never started with it. I have a 20 year old daughter who keeps me up to speed on music, fashion, LOLCATZ and TMI about her personal life, but I have never even heard of tumbler. What is it, how does it work, and what did Sierra have posted that was so scandalous!?!?

Not ignoring your post HONEST :seeya: I ham poping in and out from work.I am not a computer Geek at all but best way to describe Tumbler is like a webpage she has, Some of the pics and post and graphics were something that shocked many of us from day 1 for a 15 yearold.
If you go to I think the very 1st thread there is a link you might have to scroll for awhile.
Sorry I know not much help but like I said at work
BTW see Maryland? Take not the Mega winner Laffin :waitasec: