Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #6 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

[nutkin]

Is there more than one way out of her street? If it was a random person and he saw an opportunity, wouldn't he be concerned his car might be identified by neighbors? Wouldn't he be concerned that she would see a car she didn't recognize and run back in? I don't know, anything is possible.

If he were watching her for a while, he probably knew the neighbors' routines as well. Also, he wouldn't be worried if he had a 'reason' for being in the area. A phone company employee, utility worker, etc.

Also, if she saw a car she didn't recognize and just ran back in, that doesn't hurt anything. Driving in a neighborhood you aren't from isn't a crime.

 

[liz b.]

After some research, I found yet another link to Sierra's case and the abduction/murder of Christina Marie Williams. ( Marc Klass had mentioned how similar these two cases look to be ).

Christina, aged 13, had recently moved when she was abducted.Her family had moved from Japan to Monterey. She had complained a lot about missing her friends at her old school... LE at first believed she was a runaway,but realized quite quickly that she had been abducted.

The same evening Christina was taken, a woman jogger told LE that 2 men in a vehicle had pulled up alongside her,and made "menacing comments ". She heard one man say to the other that no,she was not the type they were looking for.

She underwent hypnosis, and a sketch artist was able to produce some decent sketches.

It was 14 years ago. Too much of a timespan to be related ?

 

[Plumeria5]

Sierra LaMar: Anatomy of a Search

http://theklaasact.blogspot.com/2012/04/sierra-lamar-anatomy-of-search-new.html

From looking at the photos I guess they are all since Sierra went missing...even the one with Sierra's dad and sister???

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Is there more than one way out of her street? If it was a random person and he saw an opportunity, wouldn't he be concerned his car might be identified by neighbors? Wouldn't he be concerned that she would see a car she didn't recognize and run back in? I don't know, anything is possible.

I truly believe that kidnappers/rapists and murderer are some of the highest risk takers there are. Maybe it is part of the sick game....to 'catch me if you can.' 'I can do this in broad daylight." etc

It only takes mere seconds for someone to be pulled into a car. All he would have to know is no one was around to see or hear anything.

IMO

 

[nutkin]

After some research, I found yet another link to Sierra's case and the abduction/murder of Christina Marie Williams. ( Marc Klass had mentioned how similar these two cases look to be ).

Christina, aged 13, had recently moved when she was abducted.Her family had moved from Japan to Monterey. She had complained a lot about missing her friends at her old school... LE at first believed she was a runaway,but realized quite quickly that she had been abducted.

The same evening Christina was taken, a woman jogger told LE that 2 men in a vehicle had pulled up alongside her,and made "menacing comments ". She heard one man say to the other that no,she was not the type they were looking for.

She underwent hypnosis, and a sketch artist was able to produce some decent sketches.

It was 14 years ago. Too much of a timespan to be related ?

Not necessarily. There are killers that span decades, especially if they are the type to move around.

 

[Ransom]

Hey guys I am just recently into this case. I have followed a little bit. What was said on Sierra's twitter and stuff that has everyone concerned?

read for yourself.
https://twitter.com/#!/cccairuh

It's not my "cup of tea" but I am not a 15 year old teenager either in California either. I grew up in an entirely different time/state. So did my kids. They were rather isolated/insulated to the world. I did worry about them when they went off to the BIG world of college. They are doing great, but ........

 

[shana]

Website in memory of Christina Williams, setup by her parents (her father is a native English-speaker; her mother is not).

 

[epiphany]

A retired FBI agent talks about the process investigators are using to find missing 15-year-old Sierra LaMar.

Rick Lack was the lead FBI investigator for a missing Seaside girl, Christina Williams. She disappeared in 1998. Seven months later, her body was found on the former Fort Ord. Her story similar to Sierra LaMar's and is drawing the same support from the FBI.

http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/1...rs-insight-in-lamar-case?clienttype=printable

 

[liltexans]

From looking at the photos I guess they are all since Sierra went missing...even the one with Sierra's dad and sister???

Yes, they are from the search last week organized by KlaasKids. I think Sierra's sister is wearing a shirt with Sierra's likeness on it, but it's kind of hard to tell.

 

[Ransom]

http://www.gilroydispatch.com/artic...cle_ca679d8e-2290-5109-94e0-c2bc5c74622d.html

posted to internet 4 mins ago.

from your link:
Meanwhile, the county crime lab is treating Sierra’s belongings and other evidence collected so far that might be related to the case as a “top priority,” according to spokeswoman Lisa McCrary.
Evidence reportedly found so far includes Sierra’s cell phone, which was found March 17, and her purse containing folded clothing that belonged to her on March 18. These items were found in two separate locations within two miles northwest of Sierra’s home.
The crime lab is also processing a cardboard box labeled “stainless steel handcuffs,” and two used condoms found at the west end of Palm Avenue – also about two miles from Sierra’s home. Authorities have not confirmed if they think these items are related to the case, but they were sent to the crime lab anyway for forensic testing.
“The case is a top priority for the lab,” McCrary said. “They’re working on it daily during the week, on the weekends, and some evenings to expedite the work.”

 

[Ransom]

Does anyone know the actual reason why the urine question was even asked.. there's something to it. something leaked and this isbwhy they asked LE that question.. what was it that lead to it being learned there was possible urine.. I believe the bag was tossed much later..

A reporter asked the question of Sgt. Cardoza. Have no clue why and I've never heard that ? before in any other presser.

 

[boaps]

Is there a way to look up historical traffic conditions? What I mean is, if someone was commuting up from San Martin or Gilroy, and there was bad traffic on 101, it might make sense that they could have used Santa Teresa or Monterey as an alternate route up. Some people prefer to use side streets to beat traffic, especially those familiar with the area. They might have been familiar with Sierra, and knew she would be there, or just drove past her at the right moment and took the opportunity.

It happened early enough that the perp could have still made it to work in San Jose or north of there and not raised any suspicions.

 

[CJMAJORGIRL24]

ORGANIZED OFFENDER conducts extensive planning for the crime and staging of the crime scene to avoid detection and identification. Some of this staging will include removal of evidence such as weapons and restraints used in the attack. He tends to personify victims and is fairly adept at striking up conversations in order to lure their victims into submission. He very specifically chooses his victims by age, appearance, gender, lifestyle, occupation and other details which would be trivial to anyone but him. This offender’s lifestyle can be characterized as ‘put together’. He lives with a spouse or long-term partner, has a steady skilled job, and quality personal transportation. Physically, he is generally of above average weight and height and presents himself as non-threatening. FBI Special Agent John Douglas notes that “general organized offenders are hypothesized to kill after undergoing some sort of precipitating stressful event, such as financial, relationship, or employment problems” (Canter, Alison, Alison, & Wentink, 2004, p.2). Finally, the organized offender generally ranges in age from 18 to 45 years but is usually under the age of 35.
http://policelink.monster.com/train...tors-first-step-in-violent-offender-profiling

I think this is really interesting. There's so much more at the link...

 

[liltexans]

Is there a way to look up historical traffic conditions? What I mean is, if someone was commuting up from San Martin or Gilroy, and there was bad traffic on 101, it might make sense that they could have used Santa Teresa or Monterey as an alternate route up. Some people prefer to use side streets to beat traffic, especially those familiar with the area. They might have been familiar with Sierra, and knew she would be there, or just drove past her at the right moment and took the opportunity.

It happened early enough that the perp could have still made it to work in San Jose or north of there and not raised any suspicions.

Interesting thought. I still think it might have been someone who was just coming off the night shift and wouldn't be missed at work during the day.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I truly believe that kidnappers/rapists and murderer are some of the highest risk takers there are. Maybe it is part of the sick game....to 'catch me if you can.' 'I can do this in broad daylight." etc

It only takes mere seconds for someone to be pulled into a car. All he would have to know is no one was around to see or hear anything.

IMO

They say the most successful shoplifters are the ones who act normally while committing the act. I was in a large retail store one day waiting on my order to be filled, when two men in a small pickup truck backed up to the front doors, casually blocked the open, loaded a canoe into the back of the truck, un blocked the doors and quietly drove away as staff and customers watched.
Not trying to get OT here but sometimes the more obvious you are, the less attention one pays to you. In the case above had the two theives been rubber necking they would have drawn suspision from those watching. Ted Bundy would walk into a group of people, ask for help, then kidnap and murder his victim. He was so blatant about it it didn't raise any suspision from the others. IF that is the case here, he's done it before.

 

[epiphany]

Suspect in Christina Marie Williams case appears to have been sentenced under three-strikes law, but perhaps one of the similarities in the cases may be "Christina Williams abductor" is/was a complete stranger and a human predator.

He appears to have been at it for a couple of decades (See timeline at link.):

Sept. 13, 1998: Holifield tries to kidnap 23-year-old Defense Language Institute student Melanie Padgett at gunpoint in Marina. She runs, identifies Holifield. He's convicted of that crime and failing to register as a sex offender and is sentenced to two consecutive 25-to-life sentences under the three strikes law.

http://www.montereyherald.com/exclusive/ci_19467851

 

[boaps]

Sorry, I am catching up with this case since now I have some time.

Has LE checked the lake? Just the reservoirs, right? But no lake?

The reservoirs are lakes. Unless you mean another lake in particular?

 

[GrainneDhu]

I agree with everything you have said, except the part about the footwell. In most cases where the victim is placed into the footwell of the car, there is usually two or more abductors with one keeping them in the footwell, a lone abductor who restrains the victim and then places them into the footwell, or one or more abductors who put the victim into the footwell because they did not plan on taking them very far. Also, it is very difficult for a driver to reach over to the passenger side footwell and have much force to push their victim back down, get into your vehicle and try to reach over there, keeping in mind the person could be resisting and you would be driving as well.
Putting an unrestrained victim in the footwell would be equal to having them sit in the front seat, except they are out of view. A lone abductor will not fire a gun inside a moving vehicle, because the concussive sound would stun him. It would be very difficult to stab at somebody with a knife while you are driving and they are moving around.
I'm not trying to say that an abductor has never placed an unrestrained victim into a car floorwell, i'm saying that it requires a certain set of circumstances and cooperation from the victim and a level of trust/ignorance on the part of the abductor.

BBM

That's where the handy-dandy tire iron comes into play. Or baseball bat, but a tire iron often comes as part of the car's equipment (how convenient).

With many, many victims, it's not actually necessary to knock them out once they are in the vehicle. Strike them with enough force and the shock of the blow tends to cause them to freeze.

If the abductor is using a gun, how many victims reason through that they are unlikely to fire it within the confines of the car? I'm betting... not many. It doesn't really matter what the reality of a gunshot is, what matters is the victim's perception of a gunshot.

 

[calamityjane831]

Does anyone know the actual reason why the urine question was even asked.. there's something to it. something leaked and this isbwhy they asked LE that question.. what was it that lead to it being learned there was possible urine.. I believe the bag was tossed much later..

Of course this is my opinion but I believe the reason why the urine question even came up was from the press conference given by LE was telling the public about the Juicy bag being found. When one of the officers was describing where the bag was exactly located he said something to effect that the bag was secreted... meaning what I believed to be hidden because it was in a weeded area not easily visible even though it was on the side of the road. Then the reporter asked was their urine bc the press and many others took the word secreted to mean secretion of a body fluid. LE then stated "no comment" to that question. It was a bad choice of wording and that word "secreted" was not used by LE again.

 

[GrainneDhu]

A lone perp could have put her in the trunk after cuffing her.

Or even before cuffing her. I've read several accounts of abductions where the victim was initially shoved into the trunk, driven a brief distance to a more secluded spot, then the perp goes back to the victim and restrains them.

It's a risk, sure... but predators are risk takers. If they weren't, they'd stick to watching .