CA CA - Skip, 55, & Joni Tillman, 51, La Canada, 7 Feb 2000

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  • #61
I've done some brief/simple searches on several of the businesses where Skip Tillman is listed as "registered agent" (looking for news reports, etc) related to lawsuits, indictments, criminal activities, and I haven't found anything of value.

One of the newer businesses:
Cyber Coterie was listed as travel arrangement, amusement & recreation
https://address.radaris.com/Seal+Beach+CA/OLD+RANCH+PKWY/3020/300

One of the older businesses:
Curt Totzke, IIRC appears to be real estate and other things (also Coastal Carpet)

There are a few other businesses I mentioned in a previous post, but again... I haven't found much of anything.

Bubbling Lady of California... it could be related to most any of the things everyone has mentioned. Heck, I was thinking it was a horse (but then again, I'm in Kentucky and everything the last few weeks has revolved around a racing horse :D)

Anyway, the only thing that might be of value is... the Lawson Place address was owned by an R M Snyder (and/or trustee) aka RMS Investments/RMS Investments LLC. Now, most important... I don't know beans about companies, LLC's, etc... but, I noticed that this trust/LLC reinstated in 1998 and wonder if this took place about the time Skip and Joni moved from the home (Lawson Place) in Glendale?? Did one event cause the other??

Reinstatement info:

http://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2f4mcc/the-robert-m-snyder-trust-1998-restatement
 
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bessie said:
I thought it might be related to champagne bottlers/distributors.
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I was thinking of the burlesque theatres in Times Square ( before it was cleaned up)...Fan dancers and bubble dancers. ...jmo
 
  • #65
Lets look at this case as if the bodies and dog were NOT found! Theories on what may have happened on that Sunday night after 9 Pm after dinner and the returning to home as seen by a neighbor.
 
  • #66
:+:MrTT:+: said:
Lets look at this case as if the bodies and dog were NOT found! Theories on what may have happened on that Sunday night after 9 Pm after dinner and the returning to home as seen by a neighbor.
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Your suggestion prompted me to once again read some of the news reports... great idea :)

If I'm reading this correctly... A sheriff's deputy entered the home on Tuesday (prompted by calls from worried friends) but found nothing disturbed and nothing missing and so he left.

Sooo, exactly how did this officer know nothing was missing??

And, it wasn't until the following day (Wed) that a real estate agent unlocked the door for Eller (Tillman's business partner/friend) and another friend, that the answering machine was checked, the bed was noticed to be turned down, sliding door was unlocked, etc.

Seems interesting, to me.

"By this time, Eller and other friends were frantic with worry, and called the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. A deputy went to the scene Tuesday but found no sign of foul play and nothing apparently missing. Newspapers were in the driveway, their Jaguar was in the garage, and their 2000 Dodge Durango and dog were gone. Eller said he assumed they had gone on a trip. The following day, Eller and one of the Tillmans' Sunday night dinner companions decided to go into the house. As the deputy had said, the house looked undisturbed. But Eller noticed the bed covers had been turned down as if the couple had been preparing to go to bed. Eller listened to their phone messages and heard the call from the man who had found the dog. Eller called him and explained the situation."

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/feb/19/local/me-430


Was it simply because there was no evidence of anything criminal and house was in order that the deputy didn't check further??
 
  • #67
I wonder why the police are suspecting a professional hit. Hitman weant to be in and out as quickly as possible, not keeping control of one victim while strangling another. This murder screams revenge to me. I think it is more personal than a hired hit.

Up thread it was asked....who benefited from their deaths? I see the brother in law was cleared, but what about the other lawsuits?
 
  • #68
fred&edna said:
Your suggestion prompted me to once again read some of the news reports... great idea :)

If I'm reading this correctly... A sheriff's deputy entered the home on Tuesday (prompted by calls from worried friends) but found nothing disturbed and nothing missing and so he left.

Sooo, exactly how did this officer know nothing was missing??

And, it wasn't until the following day (Wed) that a real estate agent unlocked the door for Eller (Tillman's business partner/friend) and another friend, that the answering machine was checked, the bed was noticed to be turned down, sliding door was unlocked, etc.

Seems interesting, to me.

"By this time, Eller and other friends were frantic with worry, and called the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. A deputy went to the scene Tuesday but found no sign of foul play and nothing apparently missing. Newspapers were in the driveway, their Jaguar was in the garage, and their 2000 Dodge Durango and dog were gone. Eller said he assumed they had gone on a trip. The following day, Eller and one of the Tillmans' Sunday night dinner companions decided to go into the house. As the deputy had said, the house looked undisturbed. But Eller noticed the bed covers had been turned down as if the couple had been preparing to go to bed. Eller listened to their phone messages and heard the call from the man who had found the dog. Eller called him and explained the situation."

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/feb/19/local/me-430


Was it simply because there was no evidence of anything criminal and house was in order that the deputy didn't check further??
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Per the cited article, bolded by me.

"A deputy went to the scene Tuesday but found no sign of foul play and nothing apparently missing."

This is the article that left me scratching my head earlier, and commenting about how quickly everything went into play.


Sunday night, Tillmans return home from dinner shortly after 9:00 P.M.

Monday, appointments are missed, and calls go unanswered.

Tuesday, friends are "frantic with worry", and call police. That seems a bit odd to me, but what do I know.

Normally, if police are called to do a wellness check, they won't enter a residence without a warrant unless there is a clear sign of imminent danger to the inhabitant(s), e.g., evidence of fire or a break in, or knowledge that the inhabitant is disabled, ill, or elderly. Local laws might vary, but typically, LE would have examined the exterior of the property. If they discovered the unlocked sliding glass door, they might have entered the home to have a look around. Finding no obvious signs of stolen property -- say, for instance, an empty space on an entertainment center where a television would have been, overturned furniture, or a jewelry box lying on the floor -- they would conclude nothing "apparently" was missing. I think that's what happened here. Then on Wednesday, when the leasing agent allowed the friends to enter the residence, and they listened to the messages -- learning the man had found the dog's body -- an investigation proceeded.

In regard to :+:MrTT:+:'s idea to look at the case as if the discovery of the dog's body (which led to finding the graves) had not occurred, IMO this would have been chalked up as a voluntary missing persons case with little, or no, follow up. And that seems to have been the intent of the killers.

Theory: I get the impression everything was normal when the couple returned home from dinner. Neighbor heard their car enter the garage, they went inside, and Mrs. Tillman decided to do a load of laundry before going to bed. Mr. Tillman might have watched television, maybe checked his email -- typical Sunday night activities.

At some point, either the killer(s) knocked on the door and were let in, or they made noise in the backyard, which alerted the couple to go outside and inspect. The latter notion makes more sense to me, because I think they actually were "lured" out of the home. Once outside, they were surprised by the attackers, and forced into a vehicle. One perp then entered the home, taking the phones, purse and wallet, as well as the bed sheet, and a towel and paper towels (possibly to wipe up fingerprints). At the same time, the other perp held the couple at knifepoint inside the vehicle. They might have been bound in the back of a car or SUV, with the sheet thrown over them, while they were driven to the grave site where they were murdered

Tamijt4 said she learned Mr. Tillman was forced to watch while his wife was killed. That might have taken place while a knife was held to his neck. He reacted, causing the neck wound which left the blood at the graveside.

JMO

Back to the article, a couple of statements stand out.

"MD said she had expected Tillman to pick up her business records that morning."

What kind of "business records"?

"They were the most generous and popular people of any that I know. We are just so devastated."

How generous? Had they loaned money to someone, and were trying to collect on it?
 
  • #69
bessie said:
Per the cited article, bolded by me.

"A deputy went to the scene Tuesday but found no sign of foul play and nothing apparently missing."

This is the article that left me scratching my head earlier, and commenting about how quickly everything went into play.


Sunday night, Tillmans return home from dinner shortly after 9:00 P.M.

Monday, appointments are missed, and calls go unanswered.

Tuesday, friends are "frantic with worry", and call police. That seems a bit odd to me, but what do I know.
Normally, if police are called to do a wellness check, they won't enter a residence without a warrant unless there is a clear sign of imminent danger to the inhabitant(s), e.g., evidence of fire or a break in, or knowledge that the inhabitant is disabled, ill, or elderly. Local laws might vary, but typically, LE would have examined the exterior of the property. If they discovered the unlocked sliding glass door, they might have entered the home to have a look around. Finding no obvious signs of stolen property -- say, for instance, an empty space on an entertainment center where a television would have been, overturned furniture, or a jewelry box lying on the floor -- they would conclude nothing "apparently" was missing. I think that's what happened here. Then on Wednesday, when the leasing agent allowed the friends to enter the residence, and they listened to the messages -- learning the man had found the dog's body -- an investigation proceeded.

In regard to :+:MrTT:+:'s idea to look at the case as if the discovery of the dog's body (which led to finding the graves) had not occurred, IMO this would have been chalked up as a voluntary missing persons case with little, or no, follow up. And that seems to have been the intent of the killers.

Theory: I get the impression everything was normal when the couple returned home from dinner. Neighbor heard their car enter the garage, they went inside, and Mrs. Tillman decided to do a load of laundry before going to bed. Mr. Tillman might have watched television, maybe checked his email -- typical Sunday night activities.

At some point, either the killer(s) knocked on the door and were let in, or they made noise in the backyard, which alerted the couple to go outside and inspect. The latter notion makes more sense to me, because I think they actually were "lured" out of the home. Once outside, they were surprised by the attackers, and forced into a vehicle. One perp then entered the home, taking the phones, purse and wallet, as well as the bed sheet, and a towel and paper towels (possibly to wipe up fingerprints). At the same time, the other perp held the couple at knifepoint inside the vehicle. They might have been bound in the back of a car or SUV, with the sheet thrown over them, while they were driven to the grave site where they were murdered

Tamijt4 said she learned Mr. Tillman was forced to watch while his wife was killed. That might have taken place while a knife was held to his neck. He reacted, causing the neck wound which left the blood at the graveside.

JMO

Back to the article, a couple of statements stand out.

"MD said she had expected Tillman to pick up her business records that morning."

What kind of "business records"?

"They were the most generous and popular people of any that I know. We are just so devastated."

How generous? Had they loaned money to someone, and were trying to collect on it?
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RBBM : May not have been so odd if people around the couple were aware of an existing tense and potentially dangerous situation. Example : If the couple sold their home to protect assets in a possible legal judgment of an existing lawsuit. And the other party in the lawsuit knew about them doing this. I read in one of the news articles that the couple paid out of their own pocket for a total reno of the rental house they moved into. Maybe someone who believed they had lost out financially. Someone close enough to know a whole lot about them. jmo
 
  • #70
Skip Tillman was registered agent for Beverly Hills Dental Radiology & Imaging Inc. And, listed as "president" of this company was DLN. The company was incorporated in 1993, and DLN would have been about 19 years old (which, imo, is rather young, but not unheard of).

Nye (a dentist) was licensed in California, and at some point changed his name to Newhart. Per news reports, Dr Newhart was arrested recently for bank robbery. He was already on probation in Orange County, and in 2010 he pleaded guilty to grand theft and passing a bad check.

I haven't looked to see if he had any criminal/legal problems prior to 2010.

https://businessfilings.sos.ca.gov/frmDetail.asp?CorpID=01724698

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Beverly-Hills/damian-l-nye/42278204.aspx

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-dentist-turned-bank-robber-20150204-story.html
 
  • #71
fred&edna said:
Skip Tillman was registered agent for Beverly Hills Dental Radiology & Imaging Inc. And, listed as "president" of this company was DLN. The company was incorporated in 1993, and DLN would have been about 19 years old (which, imo, is rather young, but not unheard of).

Nye (a dentist) was licensed in California, and at some point changed his name to Newhart. Per news reports, Dr Newhart was arrested recently for bank robbery. He was already on probation in Orange County, and in 2010 he pleaded guilty to grand theft and passing a bad check.

I haven't looked to see if he had any criminal/legal problems prior to 2010.

https://businessfilings.sos.ca.gov/frmDetail.asp?CorpID=01724698

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Beverly-Hills/damian-l-nye/42278204.aspx

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-dentist-turned-bank-robber-20150204-story.html
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Wow...very interesting. wonder what happened between graduating dental school ( hopefully he did), and doing strong arm robbery ?
 
  • #72
Skip's California CPA license, shows Ohio address

http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=2691&P_LTE_ID=781
 
  • #73
SophieRose said:
Skip's California CPA license, shows Ohio address

http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/WLLQRYNA$LCEV2.QueryView?P_LICENSE_NUMBER=2691&P_LTE_ID=781
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The license was mentioned in a news report.


"Board officials said Tillman changed his address from Glendale to Strongville, Ohio, in October 1999. His license was in good standing, said board Assistant Executive Office Mary Crocker."

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BODIES+FOUND+IN+SHALLOW+GRAVE+IDENTIFIED.-a083421707
 
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The couple had no children ? Did they have wills ? What happened to their estate(s). ?
 
  • #76
liz b. said:
The couple had no children ? Did they have wills ? What happened to their estate(s). ?
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I couldn't find they had any children under the CA birth index. It appears the dog was their baby. I couldn't find when they married or when he moved to CA (originally from WA.) He had two daughters by a prior marriage.
 
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I hope we didn't overwhelm tamijt4
 
  • #79
It was implied that this was a "paid hit" the police called it. Lack of evidence and lack of theft from the scene were their basis and the amount of litigation forming against them.
 
  • #80
It is my understanding that their group of friends is very close. My father was obsessive in detail and would never just no show on a planned meeting or get together. I am told that they had plans with others and when they didn't show up it was an immediate warning sign. I am unsure who in the group was aware of what "goings on" that they were involved with. I am in contact with a few of the very closest friends and have not been compelled to personally seek out people due to the nature of the deaths.
 
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