CA CA - Susan Jacobson, 59, Sun City/Roseville, 2 May 2013 - #2

[Treelights]

The minute I thought this case couldn't get any stranger, bam, there it goes.
I have no words.....

 

[Treelights]

Dang... they're on it on the Roseville Police and Fire FB page. Unfortunately they didn't really have any new info, but I'm impressed they got back to me so fast. All they said was "No, I'm sorry, Mrs. Jacobson is still missing and there is no new information."

That's great that they answered back so fast.
Thanks for all that you do as well, nikb.

 

[cluciano63]

That posting is very strange. But it could be nothing more than an oddly worded opinion. I mean most people here know enough to think Susan may have been frail, was obviously very small and clearly there wasn't a big commotion at Raley's, whatever happened to her. Even assuming she is not alive is not exactly "out there" at this point. JMO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Some strange post on craigslist. A little creepy..

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/laf/4015569581.html

That post was in response to this post
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/laf/4015377612.html

Anyone else think this is a little odd in some way?

I would like to know what that responder knows...(or thinks s/he knows)

Interesting response for sure! :what:

 

[nikb]

That's great that they answered back so fast.
Thanks for all that you do as well, nikb.

Aw thanks Treelights. I feel like it's not enough, not til she's found. I must admit it was pretty exciting to get a response instead of feeling like I was banging my head against a wall. They were super responsive on the FB page. I'm curious now to see if I get anything back on my email - assume that'd probably be during normal business hours.

All of us have been wanting to find her so badly (you included, of course!). I wish I could do more... know many others do too. If she is alive and out there, I sure hope she sees someday how many of us care about her and haven't even met her. She's not alone.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Uh yes, very odd! I hope it's wrong, though I suspect it probably isn't. I want so much to believe she's still out there alive somewhere. Heck I love the theory/possibility that maybe she ran off with someone and is happily hiding, but I know the likelihood of that being the case is so, so small.

I wonder what the Craigslist poster meant by she didn't put up enough of a fuss by Raley's/Starbucks? And "When she did..." How would they know this? Very strange.

I found that same part very strange, too...

Like how does this person know?

And why so certain of the end results... (RIP Susan part)

:waitasec:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Well if you wanna give it a shot: http://www.roseville.ca.us/police/
Non-Emergency Phone: (916) 774-5000

Maybe you'll have better luck, we can hope so!

I asked about her on their FB page too, don't know why I didn't think to do that before. Fingers crossed...

Thank you for giving Juicy this info.

she is TERRIFIC-ally persuasive!

:rocker:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Excellent idea! I just saved it in TXT format and sent it to their contact email addy. I hope I'll hear something back.

I am SOOOO glad you sent it to LE!

I hope you get a response...

Or.... Maybe will stimulate more action on Susan's case!

lease:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I am thinking about the Craigslist response...

I know being on WS I have an over active imagination... So to speak...

And I recognize that people who post on the Internet are probably 99.99999% "Average Joe Citizen"... Not some evil intentioned people...

But I cannot help but think about the response in the following ways:

This comment sounded almost like the person knew what happened during the event... And while the event was happening... (Something only Susan and the perp(s) would know... Unless there were witnesses who haven't come forward, or which we have not heard about)

perps often insinuate themselves into the case physically searching, through media, attending vigils, etc.....

Perps often revel in the notoriety they gain from their heinous actions... And read/watch the aftermath...

perps often blame their victims for the action ...(This comment states Susan's mistake was not making a bigger fuss in the parking lot)

All the above makes me wonder more than just a little if the Craigslist responder could be the perp...

All JMO... Of course...

 

[Annie1004]

The Craigslist postings are both odd and creepy. The first post is claiming the family has done everything they can, and the response is cryptically stating that the author knows more, but isn't going to say anything else, and ends with "RIP." That posting gave me chills. And it came across as mean-spirited IMHO.

Susan and hubby may have had a family trust, which does not go through probate and is private. All assets are in the trust's name. After my dad died, Mom didn't take his name off as a co-trustee for ages. Mom updated it a couple of years before she died 22 years after Dad. I haven't practiced law in years, and when I did it was mainly corporate law, so am going on knowledge of my parents' trust, and not giving a legal opinion.

This case has me perplexed to no end. Poor Susan. It's heartening to know there are so many on here who care. Someone somewhere knows what happened.

 

[nikb]

That posting is very strange. But it could be nothing more than an oddly worded opinion. I mean most people here know enough to think Susan may have been frail, was obviously very small and clearly there wasn't a big commotion at Raley's, whatever happened to her. Even assuming she is not alive is not exactly "out there" at this point. JMO

True. I think it's just so detailed is what gave me the shivers. The part about her being frail and weak struck me too... I mean going with the post being legit for a minute, how was she more frail and weak when she did put up a fuss than she was when grabbed at Raley's? Is the poster implying she was alive for awhile? I know, I shouldn't even be thinking so much about what could be a random nut posting on Craigslist, but there's something just odd IMO about this post. I hope LE looks into it.

 

[Seajay]

Just weird. It's like they knew something. How did they know about her "mistake"? How did they know she didn't fight?? Or that she did later?? It was like blaming the victim.

The second one sounds like it could have been written by one of us. Why isn't anyone looking for her??? People in Roseville don't even know she's missing. The word is not getting out. How many times have we said this over and over again??

Now this Reconveyence and Subtitute Trust thing.

When my in-laws passed, my FIL went first. Everything passed straight to my MIL, she did not have to go through probate.

In the case of Susan, she's missing, has not been declared legally dead. That won't come for another 5 years if she's not heard from by anyone.

I don't know what the laws are on existing joint funds, like bank accounts, etc. It would seem that they would not be frozen as long as husband is not a POI or suspect. For these 5 years, can he spend the money as if it's all his own?? Or does he have to file something to show how much they had at the time she disappeared and half the assets are now frozen??? That doesn't make sense.

If it was in a trust, then her half of the trust is safe, I think. We need Gitana.

 

[Seajay]

The family is going all that is "reasonably" expected? What does that mean???

 

[nikb]

Just weird. It's like they knew something. How did they know about her "mistake"? How did they know she didn't fight?? Or that she did later?? It was like blaming the victim.

The second one sounds like it could have been written by one of us. Why isn't anyone looking for her??? People in Roseville don't even know she's missing. The word is not getting out. How many times have we said this over and over again??

Now this Reconveyence and Subtitute Trust thing.

When my in-laws passed, my FIL went first. Everything passed straight to my MIL, she did not have to go through probate.

In the case of Susan, she's missing, has not been declared legally dead. That won't come for another 5 years if she's not heard from by anyone.

I don't know what the laws are on existing joint funds, like bank accounts, etc. It would seem that they would not be frozen as long as husband is not a POI or suspect. For these 5 years, can he spend the money as if it's all his own?? Or does he have to file something to show how much they had at the time she disappeared and half the assets are now frozen??? That doesn't make sense.

If it was in a trust, then her half of the trust is safe, I think. We need Gitana.

Totally agree with you on the Craigslist post, it's just worded really strangely.

As far as financials, FWIW, from the several years I did work on legal transfers of assets, basically nothing would probably happen to accounts held in Joint Tenancy. It took some effort for married couples (particularly in California) to register anything some other way. I remember getting calls from people who were "just wondering if a friend of a friend had a spouse pass away what would happen to their account" kind of thing, worried that their loved one's account might be frozen, but we didn't freeze accounts except for certain states, or in a divorce situation. We also had people call saying that "half" of an account was theirs when in reality, the account belonged 100% to each party. In other words yes, one of the account owners could spend all of it if they wanted. Of course that's mutual funds and bank accounts, so I really don't know if property such as a home would be treated the same way. I don't know a lot, just wanted to share the limited knowledge I have on this subject. Would love it if Gitana would weigh in!

I'm also wondering, if the assets are in a trust, how might it differ? Usually there are multiple trustees, and the documents I saw almost always had "OR" on them meaning either trustee could act on behalf of the trust. I wonder can "missing" mean "incompetent"? I don't know. I only ever saw cases where we had a doctor's note/examination certifying that a person was incompetent to make their own decisions. If they can't even find the person, how does that work legally? Is there some way to get around the rule about waiting until the person is declared deceased? I don't know what happened obviously and I'm not trying to implicate anyone at all, I'm just wondering from a legal perspective.

 

[Treelights]

That posting is very strange. But it could be nothing more than an oddly worded opinion. I mean most people here know enough to think Susan may have been frail, was obviously very small and clearly there wasn't a big commotion at Raley's, whatever happened to her. Even assuming she is not alive is not exactly "out there" at this point. JMO

I have to agree cluciano. The reason I said that I have no words, is because there is no accounting for "taste" so-to-speak, and I think this person was showing their viewpoint.
When the writer used the words Most Likely, that to me, is interpreted as they did not know really, but were giving an educated guess on what they perceive happened.
When the writer used the word About, (about all that is reasonable expected) implies to me that perhaps the family Could do more, but not much more.
The writer writes their own thought that "it's scary."
The writer writes FOR now she is in the hands of God.
The word FOR, to me, implies that God is with her now, and later, someone will find her, and she will be in their hands.
The writer addressed the Family Issue first, Then Susan.
I think this is a person giving their opinion that they thought she was in the parking lot in addition to near where the wallet was found, but it was found near the Wells Fargo, and not Starbucks....They knew she was small, perhaps read that she had hip surgery in the past, etc.
I do commend Nikb for sending this info to the police.
If this note is not what I think it is, then the police will definitely investigate more if there is more to it.
Thanks also for littlemisscontrary for bringing it to the forefront and giving the note the attention that it needs, whether it means something, or nothing really.
Getting Susan's name out there is Key in helping to find her.
I am hoping that she will be found. There are so many people that care about her, that have not met her.
Websleuths Unite! We rock!

IMOO.

 

[longtallcold]

If you spend any time reading craigslist (especially rants and raves), you will see most of them are trolls IMO this is nothing more than a troll.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I have to agree cluciano. The reason I said that I have no words, is because there is no accounting for "taste" so-to-speak, and I think this person was showing their viewpoint.
When the writer used the words Most Likely, that to me, is interpreted as they did not know really, but were giving an educated guess on what they perceive happened.
When the writer used the word About, (about all that is reasonable expected) implies to me that perhaps the family Could do more, but not much more.
The writer writes their own thought that "it's scary."
The writer writes FOR now she is in the hands of God.
The word FOR, to me, implies that God is with her now, and later, someone will find her, and she will be in their hands.
The writer addressed the Family Issue first, Then Susan.
I think this is a person giving their opinion that they thought she was in the parking lot in addition to near where the wallet was found, but it was found near the Wells Fargo, and not Starbucks....They knew she was small, perhaps read that she had hip surgery in the past, etc.
I do commend Nikb for sending this info to the police.
If this note is not what I think it is, then the police will definitely investigate more if there is more to it.
Thanks also for littlemisscontrary for bringing it to the forefront and giving the note the attention that it needs, whether it means something, or nothing really.
Getting Susan's name out there is Key in helping to find her.
I am hoping that she will be found. There are so many people that care about her, that have not met her.
Websleuths Unite! We rock!

IMOO.

Good points!

Actually... Wouldn't it be great to get both the first and the second commenters on Craigslist over here on WS!

:thumb:

JMO

 

[sophiebelle]

I don't know where the person is getting their info unless they've actually read what we have. Did the son post all around that his mother was frail and weak and had problems? Or how would anybody know that. I know a tiny woman who weighs 95 pounds but she's not weak or frail and would fight for herself. So pics would not tell the story. I haven't read the Craiglists posts and have never been on that site.

 

[Treelights]

I don't know where the person is getting their info unless they've actually read what we have. Did the son post all around that his mother was frail and weak and had problems? Or how would anybody know that. I know a tiny woman who weighs 95 pounds but she's not weak or frail and would fight for herself. So pics would not tell the story. I haven't read the Craiglists posts and have never been on that site.

That's what I meant when I said they may have read about the hip surgery, meaning reading what Kjac22 posted on Websleuths.
But anybody can read the comments on Websleuths, not just members, so it could be someone reading here and giving their opinion.
I only read the Craigslist post from here. I haven't ever been on craigslist to read. Dealing with strangers can be a scary proposition.
IMOO.

 

[Treelights]

Bringing forward the LIST that Kjac composed from post #462 June 24, 2013 from Thread #1.
This list comprised the For and Against Ideas.
Kjac does mention that it could have been a few days previous to Susan being
reported missing, that a person saw and talked to her.
Who is that person?

Kjac wanted people to add to the list.
But this list has never really been talked about much and pretty much went
to the way-side.

IMOO.

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