CA CA - Sydney “Syd” West, 19, Univ of CA student, San Francisco, 30 Sep 2020 #2

  • #521
When she got into Berkeley, an amazing school, she said her dad ignored her and she wanted to cry, and that he was angry at her for fuc**** up the internship at his company and angry at her for not wanting to go to school at Chapel Hill. I think he refused OOS tuition as a form of punishment. Source: her own Reddit account. On Twitter, she noted that he had once smashed her phone with a hammer, so it sounds like his anger could be intense. There were other incidents, but they were reported by friends and not on Sydney’s own accounts so I can’t reference them here.

Sydney said on Reddit that she just wanted to go to a community college and transfer. People repeated that in comments on the Until They are Found video, and her mom disputed it, saying she and Jay wanted Sydney to go to community college and Sydney was the one pushing for ivies. Then, people posted the actual quote from Sydney’s Reddit, saying the opposite, and her mom never addressed it.
I personally think Sydney was smart to turn down UNC and particularly the Chapel Hill campus. They have had a two decade long NCAA scandal for having phony classes that kept athletes eligible to play sports but provided no real education. https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article233111249.html is a local write-up, but this situation has been in the national news for years University of North Carolina academic-athletic scandal - Wikipedia . Even if she were to have managed to end up playing some sort of sport, you'd really have to question how a university would manage to do this and keep it secret for 2 decades. I remember it was put on probation for a year by its accrediting agency SASC.

Perhaps when Sydney arrived at Berkeley in August, within a few days she wanted to withdraw and go to a California community college, take two years of classes there (perhaps in SF or Las Positas College in Livermore), then transfer back to a UC and get a direct admit into the exact college/major of her choice as a transfer student without having to go through a set of "weed out" courses.

That would be consistent with Sydney's statements on reddit---the wish to go to a community college then transfer. That way she would not have to re-take UC equivalent courses that are "weed out" courses if she already received a 4 or 5 for that AP course.

Suppose she wanted to stay in California and the parents insisted she, now age 19 and officially an adult, come "home" to North Carolina. My guess considering Sydney's negative comments about the situation in North Carolina on reddit and the loneliness and isolation she expressed in the Gap Year essay is that she may have refused to go back to North Carolina. From reddit comments, she seemed to consider California her true "home," not North Carolina.
 
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  • #522
I relate to it as well.

Also, in today's environment at least in California, getting in is just the first hurdle for what they call "impacted majors." For example, at UC Santa Cruz, if you want to be a Computer Science major you must be admitted as a Proposed Computer Science major then you must satisfy a number of prerequisite classes until you are formally allowed in as a Computer Science declared major. If you were *not* admitted as a a Proposed Computer Science major in the first place, you are never allowed to transfer into that major. So if you go to UC Santa Cruz, the ability to ever be in their Computer Science program is limited to those that apply and are admitted as Proposed. If you wish to switch majors to Computer Science if you were admitted as another major or undeclared, you are out of luck. It isn't allowed. Even if you get top grades in some Computer Science courses, the highest in the class, you can't become a Computer Science major by switching majors. It says: "Admission to this major is selective. The Computer Science major at UCSC is impacted, and in order to pursue this major students must have been admitted to UCSC as a proposed Computer Science Major. Students not admitted as Computer Science will not be able to pursue this major." Getting started in Computer Science - Frosh

Stress levels are even high for majors like Business Administration. For UC Berkeley, if you want to get a B.S. in Business Administration, you can't be admitted to that major as a freshman. Undergraduate Program | Berkeley Haas Instead you must spend two years in limbo, then during your sophomore year, apply to the Haas business school to see if you get in. If you get in, that is great, but they are a very "highly competitive program" for some unknown reason. If you do get into Haas, the actual business classes don't start until your Junior year. So what do you do if you have spent two full years at Berkeley and don't get into the Haas business school but really want a B.S. in Business Administration? Well, you have to drop out and go somewhere else and start the process all over again. Or you have to settle on a different major---maybe a 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice.

Very stressful.

From the Gap Year essay, it sounds like Sydney really struggled with the isolation and loneliness of living in North Carolina with her parents. And it sounds as like she did not have too much contact with peers that had gone off to college directly following their senior year to understand the hurdles and challenges freshman may face starting out once they arrive on campus.

And in many of these universities, getting your foot in the door is the first step. There is no such thing as a "dream college" where upon arrival you are on your way to pursue your "dream major." This is not really emphasized in the glossy brochures the colleges put out when they are trying to attract applicants. As a prospective student, young people have to forensically dig into college websites to figure out all of the restrictions and policies and the fine print. The higher the prestige of the university, the harder it is to compete to be selected for impacted majors and survive the "weed out" process.

Once in the university, first there are placement tests (which aren't really talked about in the glossy brochures either), then there is the stress to compete to actually get in a major you want that is real admission to the major and not a conditional or proposed major, and survive the "weed out" classes in order to study what you want to study. There are many hurdles along the way. And of course, in large universities like Berkeley, there are wait lists for classes which may mean students have to enroll in summers to get the classes they need to eventually graduate. And many possible failure points along the way that can really tear down the confidence and aspirations of even the most capable students.
It’s not just the prestigious universities doing this- state community colleges are dictating, through application approval processes, who can pursue specific majors. I think its a violation of civil rights & reeks communism- where countries decide for you what you may pursue as a profession.

But there are still dream colleges that allow students to declare their major freely though. My daughter is about to graduate from one. Parents have to read the fine print of all those glossy brochures & email the right questions to the right people before committing to that BS & having kids jett off somewhere snooty & overpriced. Many of those colleges riding on “prestige” are loosing the credibility they once had anyway. Between the college admissions scandals, the sexual misconduct scandals, Greek life scandals & all the related lawsuits & publicity, the value of a degree at those schools is significantly degraded imo.
 
  • #523
Suppose she wanted to stay in California and the parents insisted she, now age 19 and officially an adult, come "home" to North Carolina. My guess considering Sydney's negative comments about the situation in North Carolina on reddit and the loneliness and isolation she expressed in the Gap Year essay is that she may have refused to go back to North Carolina. From reddit comments, she seemed to consider California her true "home," not North Carolina.

I agree this definitely could have played a role. I also remember reading that she was not happy when her parents moved to North Carolina while she was in high school, and wanted to go back to California where she grew up and her friends were.
 
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  • #524
Here is a link to the official commercial that is airing nationwide for Sydney.
It provides a few more details on her case.
I am confused by the plea for her to "come home"
IMO it makes it seem like she is choosing to stay out of contact with her family, but maybe I'm just misinterpreting the message

This video is touching. Her parents are admitting they don't know if the bridge was her last destination but saying they love her and want her to come back to the family, if she's out there living on her own. I understand their sentiments. Of course they would like to reunite with her- doesn't mean they expect her to move back to their state. "Come home" = Reconcile and maybe let us help you.
They of course would like to reconcile and have her back as their daughter.
IMO.
 
  • #525
I would just ask for her to contact LE and verify she’s okay and I would just leave her alone. Asking her to come home doesn’t sound smart.
 
  • #526
I would just ask for her to contact LE and verify she’s okay and I would just leave her alone. Asking her to come home doesn’t sound smart.
Where the video says “Sydney was on top of the world when she got into her dream school,” all I could think about was that she cried that day (when she received her acceptance) and her dad left the house and refused to pay for it. (Source: her Reddit). They also said she dropped out “midway through” but it was within a few days of orientation. I think there should be less “spin” and more plain facts and truth.
 
  • #527
As for rowing, it seems her parents wanted her to have the same life they had.
Here is a link to the official commercial that is airing nationwide for Sydney.
It provides a few more details on her case.
I am confused by the plea for her to "come home"
IMO it makes it seem like she is choosing to stay out of contact with her family, but maybe I'm just misinterpreting the message
So her parents think she is staying away on purpose? Wonder what kind of conversation she had with her dad that makes them think this!
 
  • #528
Here is a link to the official commercial that is airing nationwide for Sydney.
It provides a few more details on her case.
I am confused by the plea for her to "come home"
IMO it makes it seem like she is choosing to stay out of contact with her family, but maybe I'm just misinterpreting the message

I'll say it, IMO, the parents seem to miss the mark in their plea for Sydney's return. If she's really out there alive, I don't think the struggles the parents highlight in the video will motivate her to come home. Unpopular opinion.
 
  • #529
I'll say it, IMO, the parents seem to miss the mark in their plea for Sydney's return. If she's really out there alive, I don't think the struggles the parents highlight in the video will motivate her to come home. Unpopular opinion.
I agree with you. I think the video is less for Sydney, though, and more for them - to rehab their image as perfect parents and a happy family. I expected this kind of thing when they hired a PR firm a few months ago. For those familiar with the case, the video hits a lot of false notes.
 
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  • #530
You guys are right about exposing her specific struggles being too personal. It did feel sensationalized and insensitive to her right to privacy at that part of the video, IMO.

They could have just said she was living with friends and figuring out her path like all 19-year-olds.
 
  • #531
If the issue was just about COVID, she could have easily canceled her housing contract, moved out of her dorm and continued to take the classes she was enrolled in remotely via Zoom off-site in an apartment, at a friend's house, or even from NC. Pinning all this on COVID seems like a stretch. There was no requirement to live on campus to take the classes remotely.
Not sure why they had to bring in the topic of the little sister in the video. For this video, now they seem to have dropped the concussion angle and it least implies to me in the video that her distress was due to her somehow being homesick and missing North Carolina.
 
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  • #532
If the issue was just about COVID, she could have easily canceled her housing contract, moved out of her dorm and continued to take the classes she was enrolled in remotely via Zoom off-site in an apartment, at a friend's house, or even from NC. Pinning all this on COVID seems like a stretch. There was no requirement to live on campus to take the classes remotely.
In the video, probably much of what actually went on they are leaving out. It implies to me she was somehow homesick and missing North Carolina
It seems quite clear she wasn’t homesick (I agree they’re implying that she was), or she would’ve gone back to NC immediately after dropping out, rather than “couch surfing” and staying in hotels.
 
  • #533
As for rowing, it seems her parents wanted her to have the same life they had.

So her parents think she is staying away on purpose? Wonder what kind of conversation she had with her dad that makes them think this!
For rowing, it seems Sydney and the mid-July "Row Row Row Your Boat" and "I'm dying deep down" lyrics she substituted in the Tik-Tok video a full month before she went to Berkeley means she was not at all thrilled with rowing. Perhaps there were strings attached to paying OOS tuition that involved rowing. The only two colleges out of state that she put on reddit were the two she was considering on her list attending (Cal, UMass-Amherst) coincidentally were the only two that offered her a walk on rowing position. Perhaps it could be that the parents only agreed to pay OOS if she was on a rowing team.

Regarding the last conversation that would make them think she was staying away on purpose would seem to me have involved some sort of ultimatum on the parents' part.

There was a gap between when this conversation took place (Sept. 29th) to when they filed a missing persons report (Oct. 2nd at 2 PM). Given the uncle is quoted in the News & Observer in one of the first articles as checking with airports and airport security to see if they have seen her https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article246239320.html , one could guess at least one of the ultimatums was that she get on a flight to go back home to North Carolina immediately.
 
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  • #534
I personally think Sydney was smart to turn down UNC and particularly the Chapel Hill campus. They have had a two decade long NCAA scandal for having phony classes that kept athletes eligible to play sports but provided no real education. https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article233111249.html is a local write-up, but this situation has been in the national news for years University of North Carolina academic-athletic scandal - Wikipedia . Even if she were to have managed to end up playing some sort of sport, you'd really have to question how a university would manage to do this and keep it secret for 2 decades. I remember it was put on probation for a year by its accrediting agency SASC.

Perhaps when Sydney arrived at Berkeley in August, within a few days she wanted to withdraw and go to a California community college, take two years of classes there (perhaps in SF or Las Positas College in Livermore), then transfer back to a UC and get a direct admit into the exact college/major of her choice as a transfer student without having to go through a set of "weed out" courses.

That would be consistent with Sydney's statements on reddit---the wish to go to a community college then transfer. That way she would not have to re-take UC equivalent courses that are "weed out" courses if she already received a 4 or 5 for that AP course.

Suppose she wanted to stay in California and the parents insisted she, now age 19 and officially an adult, come "home" to North Carolina. My guess considering Sydney's negative comments about the situation in North Carolina on reddit and the loneliness and isolation she expressed in the Gap Year essay is that she may have refused to go back to North Carolina. From reddit comments, she seemed to consider California her true "home," not North Carolina.
I think the reason that she rejected UNC-CH, and was lukewarm about UCB, might be that they are the "local" state universities, i.e, sort of the default choice for qualified area students Plus, at UNC she'd have been on a really short leash, even if living in the dorms, with her family only a few minutes away.
 
  • #535
I agree with you. I think the video is less for Sydney, though, and more for them - to rehab their image as perfect parents and a happy family. I expected this kind of thing when they hired a PR firm a few months ago. For those familiar with the case, the video hits a lot of false notes.

I am not getting a genuine or sincere vibe from this video at all, IMO. I definitely sense the the all-to-familiar undertones of control
 
  • #536
I think the reason that she rejected UNC-CH, and was lukewarm about UCB, might be that they are the "local" state universities, i.e, sort of the default choice for qualified area students Plus, at UNC she'd have been on a really short leash, even if living in the dorms, with her family only a few minutes away.
Berkeley is hardly the local “default” choice; its world-reknown, very competitive to get into and finish, and always in the top of lists of public universities. That being said, if it’s not the right school for the student, one would be miserable.
 
  • #537
That video was CRINGE for me. My college-aged daughter would be mortified if I publicized her personal struggles and it certainly wouldn’t encourage her to “return home” if she decided to cut ties with me.

The contention that she completely disappeared to avoid her parents “making her come home” as others suggest is far-fetched - hard to imagine she would abandon ALL her dreams and ALL her friends and ALL her family just to avoid an action that her parents couldn’t make her do as a legal adult is not realistic IMO.
 
  • #538
I think the reason that she rejected UNC-CH, and was lukewarm about UCB, might be that they are the "local" state universities, i.e, sort of the default choice for qualified area students Plus, at UNC she'd have been on a really short leash, even if living in the dorms, with her family only a few minutes away.
Bingo. She wasn’t avoiding NC, but rather the toxic criticism, ridicule, short leash, & control that was reported throughout so many of her SM posts. I think it reached an unbearable point- like fleeing an abusive spouse. Imho.
 
  • #539
Berkeley is hardly the local “default” choice; its world-reknown, very competitive to get into and finish, and always in the top of lists of public universities. That being said, if it’s not the right school for the student, one would be miserable.
Agree. Maybe I worded that poorly. By "qualified" I meant the top local in-state students. My comment is based in part on earlier in this thread where @ElizabethAnne quoted Sydney's reddit comment "cal- I grew up in Bay Area, more familiar. never really saw myself at Berkeley tho".

Maybe it's like the old adage, familiarity breeds contempt.
 
  • #540
Bingo. She wasn’t avoiding NC, but rather the toxic criticism, ridicule, short leash, & control that was reported throughout so many of her SM posts. I think it reached an unbearable point- like fleeing an abusive spouse. Imho.
Her poem Fun and Games sydney west – Medium from Jan. 23, 2020 was 2 1/2 months after the Gap Year Blues essay. Staying in NC living at home was as she said:
"if I am not quite myself for a while,

it’s because my life does not quite look like how I would like it to

For now it’s okay to be sad when my dreams aren’t coming true."

Also for the title "Fun and Games," this is often used to mean the exact opposite. If you look up the meaning of it on the online dictionary it says "The phrase is often used ironically, to refer to activities that are far from amusing (e.g. things that are frustratingly difficult, or nefarious goings-on)."

The ending line is "Big wins, do not happen overnight. I will have to be quiet for a while until they do." I still don't exactly know what that means, but it does convey that she had to remain silent. My guess is that she had to remain quiet about what she really wanted to do with her life because it did not at all agree with what her obviously controlling parents were pushing her to do with her life. To avoid confrontations, she had to remain silent.
 
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