• #36,901
A door mat, very important as perp stood on that mat, foliage, perp handled this, could have saliva on from bite torch, camera missed so collected later, where is the fingerprint powder on the doors, on the white bracket which was also not collected till days later, I think it was an incredibly poor job, who knows what was or wasn't done inside
Yes there were multiple things that should have been obvious to collect. Especially the bracket as early on they didn’t even know if the person that removed the bracket was wearing gloves. It blows my mind tbh, the doorbell was ripped off the wall and they didn’t even think removing the bracket was necessary?!?!
 
  • #36,902
I want to see some "expert" criminals analyze the video. What do they see? I'm guessing none of us have experienced criminal histories so it would be helpful to get their perspective.
 
  • #36,903
Truth is ,somebody somewhere knows something.In digital world where everything is recorded on some kind of device.If they were map out the Guthrie house with the closest business in all directions and watch all available cvc footage from time of believed kidnapping and watch and note all vehicles traveling towards Guthrie house then account time it would take to take her and then see which cars come back threw..yes it would take alot of man hours but it's something and I'm positive the perp will be right there

Good points. We also don’t know anything about Nancy’s phone. We don’t know anything about the communication with the person who alerted the family that she was missing. As well as what she was wearing, her prescription status, what was found inside her home and more. LE hasn’t released this info for a reason.

Earlier on it was made me feel hopeful about what they were gathering and tying together. That hope is gone now.
 
  • #36,904
Respectfully, I disagree. The family has spoken when there was a calculated decision by the family and LE that it'd help the investigation. We are eager for insight, but the family doesn't need to perform in public for our entertainment. They owe nothing more to the public than cooperation with LE.

The family released video clips early on to reach the kidnapper, the ransom note writer, and their mother and to plead for help from the public. The clips accomplished LE and the family's goals. But at tremendous cost to family members. Every twitch or tear, or lack of it, was dissected as implicating or exculpating family members. Their words themselves were parsed for possible hidden meanings.

The family statements came at tremendous costs to family members. AG, who is not a celebrity like her sister or hardened military like her brother, who is coping with a horrific nightmare, and who is parenting a young child, the subject of intense speculation that she is a murderer or enabling a spouse who is. The family was harassed night and day to the point they were forced to leave the comfort of their own home at a time when they needed that familiar refuge

If appropriate, I am certain the family will speak out again. Not because we'd appreciate insights into family dynamics or to attest to their agony but because LE or the family believe conveying a tailored message publicly at that time will be helpful to the investigation.

Posting with respect to everyone here. MOO.
Thank you, @Bodhi. I believe this so strongly. You have lived up to your name :)
 
  • #36,905
Apologies if this has already been discussed or asked....but do we know anything about the possibility of NG having work done on her house in the past year or so. Thinking along the lines of building contractors. Any way to look that up online?
 
  • #36,906
I understand that LE want the search done by the pros, but IF it was my family and we are at the 3 week mark - then I'd be thankful any organized volunteer group wanted to donate their time to find my loved one and I just wonder how much searching the Sheriff's office has done. IF I remember correctly they called off searching early on and I haven't seen any searches going on (of course, that does NOT mean searches are not taking place.) IF they were taking place you'd think the Sheriff's office would come out and say we are searching high and low and everywhere in-between for Nancy.

**No, I don't think random people should be out searching for Nancy, but if it is a real organized volunteer group I'd certainly work quickly with them to get the red tape completed so they can search.

I've been thinking it was strange that we aren't seeing searches this entire time. So odd.

Set aside LE, set aside the Sheriff, set aside the FBI - this is about Nancy.....Are they doing all they can to find her? Where is Nancy? (These are not real questions. These are questions I ponder while we wait for Nancy to be found!)

JMO >
 
  • #36,907
I feel like we were kind of spoiled with AB's show every evening during the week during the Idaho investigation.
I know, reporters really stayed on it, during the Idaho 4 case. Even Nancy Grace sat out in the cold, in front of the house. Brian Entin, from Florida, bundled up, of course, really on it, as usual, every detail! Many other you tubers, really good.

Re NG’s case, I don’t think the case has gone cold at all! LE is waiting for the inside house DNA results, STR, then maybe IGG, the person will be known eventually, it’s just whether they are associated with the crime.

Maybe more searches in the brush, within one mile, look for more evidence to test, even if a long shot. Go to nearby trailheads, abandoned barns, railroads or random dump sites, drivable
Dirt roads. Look for disturbs brush. I know it was noted because roads are a combo hard packed dirt, sand, crushed gravel, it’s like “ concrete”, usually can’t get tracks, just see disturbed dirt.
It’s all good. Need more searches. JMO

All JMO
 
  • #36,908
I understand that LE want the search done by the pros, but IF it was my family and we are at the 3 week mark - then I'd be thankful any organized volunteer group wanted to donate their time to find my loved one and I just wonder how much searching the Sheriff's office has done. IF I remember correctly they called off searching early on and I haven't seen any peaches going on (of course, that does NOT mean searches are not taking place.) IF they were taking place you'd think the Sheriff's office would come out and say we are searching high and low and everywhere in-between for Nancy.

I've been thinking it was strange that we aren't seeing searches this entire time. So odd.

Set aside LE, set aside the Sheriff, set aside the FBI - this is about Nancy.....Are they doing all they can to find her? Where is Nancy? (These are not real questions. These are questions I ponder while we wait for Nancy to be found!)

JMO >
IMO it feels like LE is laser focused on the idea of her still being alive, so no need to do searches for a body. But again JMO
 
  • #36,909
IMO it feels like LE is laser focused on the idea of her still being alive, so no need to do searches for a body. But again JMO
If she still is alive I worry about what condition she is in and if her captor(s) are treating her fairly well - which in my mind - I cannot imagine, but hey crazier things have happened.

I hope they are right....for Nancy's sake and if she is alive I pray she is not suffering in anyway. ☹️

JMO>
 
  • #36,910
This has probably been asked and answered already. I cant seem to find it on any media or on this forum. Why havent LE or FBi conducted any ground searches?
 
  • #36,911
Remember, "the day" is all day. So if something was out that should not have been, or if someone normally called to come over to take out her trash cans or get her mail or have a cup of coffee on the back porch or something, anyone could have called from morning on. If they called at 10 am, no one knew she was missing yet.
On MONDAY everyone knew she was missing. If something was amiss..the normal person would call LE for a welfare check. She was found missing SUNDAY at noonish. People wouldn't call APS reflexively for a welfare check. Lady left APS card reportedly Monday around 6pm. That's what had been reported here but I don't know if that is accurate. Since NANOS has clearly been asked about this and and addressed it at his news conference, and imo the answer made no sense, ( a neighbor called), when it was already 24/7 on the news, We here that question it, are not out of line JMO
 
  • #36,912
This has probably been asked and answered already. I cant seem to find it on any media or on this forum. Why havent LE or FBi conducted any ground searches?

As far a continued/continuing ground searches by law enforcement, I am not sure.

Apart from that, at least one volunteer organization has reported that their assistance was turned down as they lack proper permits.

Per Brian Entin, LE just wants the work left to professionals/wants them to give LE the space they need to do their work.

 
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When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?
WOW, very good question! jmo
 
  • #36,915
Truth is ,somebody somewhere knows something.In digital world where everything is recorded on some kind of device.If they were map out the Guthrie house with the closest business in all directions and watch all available cvc footage from time of believed kidnapping and watch and note all vehicles traveling towards Guthrie house then account time it would take to take her and then see which cars come back threw..yes it would take alot of man hours but it's something and I'm positive the perp will be right there

--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.
 
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This is really sad. The more you think about it, the more you realize she probably didn't make it out of her house alive.
This is my thinking as well. Otherwise, why remove her from her home? They certainly weren't asking for a ransom. (Nobody would wait days to concoct a ransom email.)

In my opinion, this is someone NG recognized. He knew she could and would identify him. Therefore, he took steps to ensure that didn't happen.

My mind keeps returning to the retired FBI Profiler who once stated that if an elderly female, who lives alone, is raped and murdered, it's usually going to be the teenage son of a neighbor.

I'd be investigating that route. MOO.
 
  • #36,917
This is my thinking as well. Otherwise, why remove her from her home? They certainly weren't asking for a ransom. (Nobody would wait days to concoct a ransom email.)

In my opinion, this is someone NG recognized. He knew she could and would identify him. Therefore, he took steps to ensure that didn't happen.

My mind keeps returning to the retired FBI Profiler who once stated that if an elderly female, who lives alone, is raped and murdered, it's usually going to be the teenage son of a neighbor.

I'd be investigating that route. MOO.
Have seen a few true crime documentaries where it wound up being the teen son of neighbors.

I wonder if they have explored that scenario?🤔
 
  • #36,918
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.

And the cameras that you see on the mast arms next to traffic signals are not traffic cams at all. They do not record anyone running the red lights or any traffic accidents that occur at intersections.

They are aimed to detect vehicles that are stopped at the stop bar waiting for the red light to turn green.
 
  • #36,919
--Traffic cams in Tuscon on main streets are DOT operated and do not record at all (per police clarification). No police cams or flock cams in the entire city. So no footage on nearby main roads.
--No street lights and traffic cams in the immediate neighborhood.
--Low light ordinance makes it pitch dark, and houses have privacy hedges/landscaping, set back so residential cameras do not record past their immediate home circle.
--NG's own cameras, no subscription, DIY type installs that did not prioritize security, no reach to street to record cars

It's a rare surveillance blind spot/perfect storm that complicates the case.
You summed up this city pretty well. Excellent detective work
 
  • #36,920
Respectfully, I disagree. The family has spoken when there was a calculated decision by the family and LE that it'd help the investigation. We are eager for insight, but the family doesn't need to perform in public for our entertainment. They owe nothing more to the public than cooperation with LE.

The family released video clips early on to reach the kidnapper, the ransom note writer, and their mother and to plead for help from the public. The clips accomplished LE and the family's goals. But at tremendous cost to family members. Every twitch or tear, or lack of it, was dissected as implicating or exculpating family members. Their words themselves were parsed for possible hidden meanings.

The family statements came at tremendous costs to family members. AG, who is not a celebrity like her sister or hardened military like her brother, who is coping with a horrific nightmare, and who is parenting a young child, the subject of intense speculation that she is a murderer or enabling a spouse who is. The family was harassed night and day to the point they were forced to leave the comfort of their own home at a time when they needed that familiar refuge

If appropriate, I am certain the family will speak out again. Not because we'd appreciate insights into family dynamics or to attest to their agony but because LE or the family believe conveying a tailored message publicly at that time will be helpful to the investigation.

Posting with respect to everyone here. MOO.


Word for word, perfectly stated @Bodhi.

This is my exact opinion, as well.

Savannah is a public figure, but this is private anguish. She’s not on display for us and neither are her siblings.

I agree 1000% that they spoke out when they felt it necessary, and/or on legal advice. I appreciate that they didn’t waste precious time and emotion dispelling rumors about a family member being the culprit.

We, the curious public, want to know more, but we don’t have to know anything other than if Nancy is found, somehow.

The unresolved nature of a crime like this is so much worse than losing your mother to natural causes. Whether Nancy is alive, or died a minute after the invasion, it’s unbearable that she had to have been so frightened. And knew her family would suffer over her.

JMO
 

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