• #36,901
I find this really odd- I understand LE needs to maintain a PR/Legal stance to protect people's private property. However, a volunteer search party most likely would be aiding the search by looking at open uninhabited land (areas LE has yet to look at). I highly doubt they'd go trampling in and around people's homes/yards (since investigators already looked here) JMO.
This is one thing I agree with the Sheriff, any searches need to be done in conjunction with LE,
 
  • #36,902
There's nothing unusual about the early tweet from the Pima County Sheriff's Office, IMO. The X user named Olivia misinterpreted it because she either didn't read beyond the heading or misinterpreted what PCSO posted.

The PCSO statement was NG was last seen "on the evening of January 31 at her residence in the area of East Skyline Drive and North Campbell Avenue." They didn't state NG lives on or was last seen on East Skyline Dr. The sheriff's office deliberately and responsibly omitted NG's exact address. They're notifying the public that she is missing and providing the area where residents are most likely to have relevant information or footage. The time in the heading is when the period they'd like relevant information from begins.

Misreading by people on social media is how misinformation spreads. When LE knocks down the misinformation, social media users then allege LE is incompetent, walking back, or correcting its misstatements. This instance is one example of a straightforward, accurate statement from PCSO being misconstrued because a user didn't read the statement fully or misinterpreted it. IMO.

Much of the misinformation blamed on LE could be avoided if social media participants read statements fully or had better reading comprehension, IMO. So much of public discussion is driven by headlines, which are written to grab attention, and not content.

I appreciate your link to the source @ab01. :) Jennifer Coffindaffer's expertise appears to lend legitimacy to X user Olivia's retweet. But JC does not question the location or time in the heading or content. The image reinforces how simple misreading or not reading fully fuels speculation that is not warranted. MOO.
Yeah unfortunately things can get taken out of context etc. But I will say Pcso statement clarifying this was confusing at best. they didn’t even reference the actual date of the report and or the time. I agree it’s a big nothing burger, but communication in this case has been suspect at best.

The sheriff has out right lied about who contacted who as far as the fbi goes. Changing his story multiple times back and forth, that’s not a hard detail to keep straight and it’s not msm misconstruing his words, it’s been straight from his mouth.

He has said your guess is as good as mine.

He has said oh the family made a statement that’s new to me, i just found out last night when my wife was watching the news.

He’s went on multiple one on one interviews for the sole purpose of defending his reputation.

He’s caused many of the issues that he’s been dealing with by his own words and actions. Nobody is out to get him, he’s out to get himself.

When you tell the truth you don’t have to think about it, the truth is the truth!
 
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This is one thing I agree with the Sheriff, any searches need to be done in conjunction with LE,
There's miles and miles of desert, state park, etc. that LE is not searching because they don't have time or resources. They've spent 3 weeks only looking within 2 miles of the home. Time is NOT our friend. With animals and environmental conditions her body could be slowly disappearing. If they don't look for her now their only chance to find her might be gone. Sheriff already did damage to this case. If the community is offering their assistance to search they should be allowed to with guidance from LE. If they can find her body, the location of said body, or finding cause of death via autopsy might be able to provide more clues to LE to trace where the perp may have came from or went to. I understand your point but I'd imagine if searchers stumbled upon something they would notify LE and not disturb the area.

JMO
 
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A door mat, very important as perp stood on that mat, foliage, perp handled this, could have saliva on from bite torch, camera missed so collected later, where is the fingerprint powder on the doors, on the white bracket which was also not collected till days later, I think it was an incredibly poor job, who knows what was or wasn't done inside
Yes there were multiple things that should have been obvious to collect. Especially the bracket as early on they didn’t even know if the person that removed the bracket was wearing gloves. It blows my mind tbh, the doorbell was ripped off the wall and they didn’t even think removing the bracket was necessary?!?!
 
  • #36,905
When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?
 
  • #36,906
When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?
That is what I wondered many many pages ago... I asked if the gem neighbour was away that night. And they got the wrong house? Weren't expecting anyone to be at home.
 
  • #36,907
When you search for NG's address on Google Maps and look at satellite view it labels her neighbor's house (the gemologist) with her address rather than hers. I think we are allowed to post her address here-- 5820 N Camino Escalante, in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

Did the perpetrator(s) also get the address wrong?
If you look for the adjacent house’s real address, does it point to Nancy’s?
 
  • #36,908
I want to see some "expert" criminals analyze the video. What do they see? I'm guessing none of us have experienced criminal histories so it would be helpful to get their perspective.
 
  • #36,909
Truth is ,somebody somewhere knows something.In digital world where everything is recorded on some kind of device.If they were map out the Guthrie house with the closest business in all directions and watch all available cvc footage from time of believed kidnapping and watch and note all vehicles traveling towards Guthrie house then account time it would take to take her and then see which cars come back threw..yes it would take alot of man hours but it's something and I'm positive the perp will be right there

Good points. We also don’t know anything about Nancy’s phone. We don’t know anything about the communication with the person who alerted the family that she was missing. As well as what she was wearing, her prescription status, what was found inside her home and more. LE hasn’t released this info for a reason.

Earlier on it was made me feel hopeful about what they were gathering and tying together. That hope is gone now.
 
  • #36,910
Respectfully, I disagree. The family has spoken when there was a calculated decision by the family and LE that it'd help the investigation. We are eager for insight, but the family doesn't need to perform in public for our entertainment. They owe nothing more to the public than cooperation with LE.

The family released video clips early on to reach the kidnapper, the ransom note writer, and their mother and to plead for help from the public. The clips accomplished LE and the family's goals. But at tremendous cost to family members. Every twitch or tear, or lack of it, was dissected as implicating or exculpating family members. Their words themselves were parsed for possible hidden meanings.

The family statements came at tremendous costs to family members. AG, who is not a celebrity like her sister or hardened military like her brother, who is coping with a horrific nightmare, and who is parenting a young child, the subject of intense speculation that she is a murderer or enabling a spouse who is. The family was harassed night and day to the point they were forced to leave the comfort of their own home at a time when they needed that familiar refuge

If appropriate, I am certain the family will speak out again. Not because we'd appreciate insights into family dynamics or to attest to their agony but because LE or the family believe conveying a tailored message publicly at that time will be helpful to the investigation.

Posting with respect to everyone here. MOO.
Thank you, @Bodhi. I believe this so strongly. You have lived up to your name :)
 
  • #36,911
Apologies if this has already been discussed or asked....but do we know anything about the possibility of NG having work done on her house in the past year or so. Thinking along the lines of building contractors. Any way to look that up online?
 
  • #36,912
I understand that LE want the search done by the pros, but IF it was my family and we are at the 3 week mark - then I'd be thankful any organized volunteer group wanted to donate their time to find my loved one and I just wonder how much searching the Sheriff's office has done. IF I remember correctly they called off searching early on and I haven't seen any searches going on (of course, that does NOT mean searches are not taking place.) IF they were taking place you'd think the Sheriff's office would come out and say we are searching high and low and everywhere in-between for Nancy.

**No, I don't think random people should be out searching for Nancy, but if it is a real organized volunteer group I'd certainly work quickly with them to get the red tape completed so they can search.

I've been thinking it was strange that we aren't seeing searches this entire time. So odd.

Set aside LE, set aside the Sheriff, set aside the FBI - this is about Nancy.....Are they doing all they can to find her? Where is Nancy? (These are not real questions. These are questions I ponder while we wait for Nancy to be found!)

JMO >
 
  • #36,913
I feel like we were kind of spoiled with AB's show every evening during the week during the Idaho investigation.
I know, reporters really stayed on it, during the Idaho 4 case. Even Nancy Grace sat out in the cold, in front of the house. Brian Entin, from Florida, bundled up, of course, really on it, as usual, every detail! Many other you tubers, really good.

Re NG’s case, I don’t think the case has gone cold at all! LE is waiting for the inside house DNA results, STR, then maybe IGG, the person will be known eventually, it’s just whether they are associated with the crime.

Maybe more searches in the brush, within one mile, look for more evidence to test, even if a long shot. Go to nearby trailheads, abandoned barns, railroads or random dump sites, drivable
Dirt roads. Look for disturbs brush. I know it was noted because roads are a combo hard packed dirt, sand, crushed gravel, it’s like “ concrete”, usually can’t get tracks, just see disturbed dirt.
It’s all good. Need more searches. JMO

All JMO
 
  • #36,914
I understand that LE want the search done by the pros, but IF it was my family and we are at the 3 week mark - then I'd be thankful any organized volunteer group wanted to donate their time to find my loved one and I just wonder how much searching the Sheriff's office has done. IF I remember correctly they called off searching early on and I haven't seen any peaches going on (of course, that does NOT mean searches are not taking place.) IF they were taking place you'd think the Sheriff's office would come out and say we are searching high and low and everywhere in-between for Nancy.

I've been thinking it was strange that we aren't seeing searches this entire time. So odd.

Set aside LE, set aside the Sheriff, set aside the FBI - this is about Nancy.....Are they doing all they can to find her? Where is Nancy? (These are not real questions. These are questions I ponder while we wait for Nancy to be found!)

JMO >
IMO it feels like LE is laser focused on the idea of her still being alive, so no need to do searches for a body. But again JMO
 
  • #36,915
IMO it feels like LE is laser focused on the idea of her still being alive, so no need to do searches for a body. But again JMO
If she still is alive I worry about what condition she is in and if her captor(s) are treating her fairly well - which in my mind - I cannot imagine, but hey crazier things have happened.

I hope they are right....for Nancy's sake and if she is alive I pray she is not suffering in anyway. ☹️

JMO>
 
  • #36,916
This has probably been asked and answered already. I cant seem to find it on any media or on this forum. Why havent LE or FBi conducted any ground searches?
 
  • #36,917
If you look for the adjacent house’s real address, does it point to Nancy’s?
No, weirdly enough when you search the adjacent house's address, it doesn't show any address over NG's house even though every other house in the neighborhood shows an address. I don't know what to make of it, but, to me, it seems like wrong house/wrong burglary makes the most "sense" when combined with the known facts of the case.
 
  • #36,918
Remember, "the day" is all day. So if something was out that should not have been, or if someone normally called to come over to take out her trash cans or get her mail or have a cup of coffee on the back porch or something, anyone could have called from morning on. If they called at 10 am, no one knew she was missing yet.
On MONDAY everyone knew she was missing. If something was amiss..the normal person would call LE for a welfare check. She was found missing SUNDAY at noonish. People wouldn't call APS reflexively for a welfare check. Lady left APS card reportedly Monday around 6pm. That's what had been reported here but I don't know if that is accurate. Since NANOS has clearly been asked about this and and addressed it at his news conference, and imo the answer made no sense, ( a neighbor called), when it was already 24/7 on the news, We here that question it, are not out of line JMO
 
  • #36,919
This has probably been asked and answered already. I cant seem to find it on any media or on this forum. Why havent LE or FBi conducted any ground searches?

As far a continued/continuing ground searches by law enforcement, I am not sure.

Apart from that, at least one volunteer organization has reported that their assistance was turned down as they lack proper permits.

Per Brian Entin, LE just wants the work left to professionals/wants them to give LE the space they need to do their work.

 
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