CA CA - Tujunga, Hisp/AsianFem 440UFCA, 14-24, wig & St Christopher medallion, Aug'94

[Sleuth91]

Hey everyone, sorry I have not been on here in a while. I have some updates about this Jane Doe.

Her top two front teeth are actually well-aligned with the midline of her face/nose. (I was previously told that her teeth were shifted to the right of the midline of her face/nose. It turns out that that is incorrect. According to the Forensic Odontologist, her teeth were aligned normally and the confusion was probably caused by a postmortem photo where the soft tissue was distorted.)

She had all her adult teeth and these teeth had 12 restorations, all on posterior teeth. 11 restorations are amalgam (silver alloy restorations) and one restoration is a composite, or a white restoration. There is only a slight gap between the top two front teeth, unlike the composite drawing. There is spacing of the bottom four front teeth, but that was not represented in the composite drawing.

I obtained this information from Dr. Richard Scanlon, a Forensic Odontologist. He has 43 years' experience in the field of forensic odontology. He currently serves as the Forensic Odontologist for NamUs entries, the Los Angeles Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME), the Alaska OCME and the Alaska State Troopers.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

I'm wondering about the band on her ring finger. It's in a v-shape and in the photo in NamUs it appears to have ruby-colored stones, although I've never seen it described as having ruby-colored stones in any of the online sources like NamUs, NCMEC, Doe Network, etc.

On NCMEC, it's described as having "a single stone." However, in NamUs it just says "1 yellow metal band on her left ring finger" and nothing about any of the stones in the ring. When I talked to the ID Unit with the Los Angeles Medical Examiner-Coroner's Office, they said that the most up-to-date information about this Jane Doe is in NamUs.

Is anyone else seeing what I'm seeing about the ring having ruby-colored stones? Or now that I'm looking at it closer, it could just be dark-colored stones. Or maybe it's just my bad eyesight :/

RSBM for focus on the ring.
IMHO, it appears that all stones, except for the one right of center, are missing.
Right of center looks like a diamond to me, FWIW.

 

[iamshadow21]

RSBM for focus on the ring.
IMHO, it appears that all stones, except for the one right of center, are missing.
Right of center looks like a diamond to me, FWIW.

With the greatest of respect, I disagree. You can see the facets of the cut of the dark stones. Empty settings for stones don't have that shaping, and they would appear goldish, like the band. I think they're something like garnets, and the one to the right of centre is reflecting the flash. You can see how brightly the light is reflecting off the gold around it.

 

[atomicsciencegal]

Nothing new about our girl?

 

[DS2021]

 

[Bit of hope]

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Thanks! Interesting they compaired Donnis Redman to this Jane Doe, because identifiers don't match up. Rene Roof is on the list twice. It's a little dissapointing some other rule outs are not on the list after all this years.

I think the information underneith, posted before by @Sleuth91, is important, so I'm bringing it back up.

Here are some things that I learned from the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner's (LACMEC) ID Unit. There is some very serious misinformation out there about this Jane Doe's distinguishing characteristics. In fact, it's so serious it could definitely be detrimental to the search for her identity. For example, if a family member were to be searching for a missing loved one and the family "mentally ruled out" this Jane Doe out based on the misinformation that is out there.

The LACMEC's ID Unit said that (in their opinion), none of the three sketches of Jane Doe look like Jane Doe. They said that there are similarities between the sketches and Jane Doe, but none of the sketches are a good duplication of her.

Below is the misinformation that somehow ended up online / important information that was left out online / things that should have been specified online about Jane Doe. I'm attaching the partial coroner's report that was sent to me by LACMEC's ID Unit (they could not release the entire report since it is a homicide).

MOLES

Contrary to what is stated on NCMEC and Doe Network, and by the Forensic Artist (of the sketch of Jane Doe that is in my signature) in an abc7 article, there were NO MOLES on Jane Doe’s forehead (per the LACMEC's ID Unit).

I sent the abc7 article to the LACMEC's ID Unit, and after reviewing the article they said that what the Forensic Artist was seeing on Jane Doe's forehead were "burn artifacts."

DENTALS

Contrary to what is stated by the Forensic Artist in the abc7 article, there is NO GAP between Jane Doe's two front teeth (per the LACMEC's ID Unit).

Jane Doe's teeth were shifted to the right. The space between her upper two front teeth was shifted to the right of the mid-line of her face/nose (per the LACMEC's ID Unit).

The info about the teeth being shifted to the right was not included in any online sources. I think that needs to be included because that is a very distinguishing characteristic. Would you agree?

SCAR

The artist sketch depicts the scar as being in the middle of Jane Doe's forehead. However, according to LACMEC's ID Unit, the scar is "right below her hairline (at least an inch above the eyebrow)."

Below is an image of a close-up of the scar in the artist's sketch. LACMEC's ID Unit verified that this is from an artist's sketch and that it is not an actual photo of Jane Doe.

Some more info about Jane Doe's appearance that I spoke to LACMEC's ID Unit about:

• Her teeth appear to be normal size (I asked the ID Unit if she had large teeth bc they appeared that way (to me) in one of the sketches)
• Her teeth are a little crooked. (This was noted in some of the online profiles but I wanted to verify it with the ID Unit since there is so much misinformation out there.)
• Appears to have full lips BUT they can swell after death due to trauma. (I know I mentioned this in an earlier comment but I wanted to add it again since that seems to be a prominent facial feature of this Jane Doe.

 

[bombardier]

Thanks! Interesting they compaired Donnis Redman to this Jane Doe, because identifiers don't match up. Rene Roof is on the list twice. It's a little dissapointing some other rule outs are not on the list after all this years.

I think the information underneith, posted before by @Sleuth91, is important, so I'm bringing it back up.

Here are some things that I learned from the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner's (LACMEC) ID Unit. There is some very serious misinformation out there about this Jane Doe's distinguishing characteristics. In fact, it's so serious it could definitely be detrimental to the search for her identity. For example, if a family member were to be searching for a missing loved one and the family "mentally ruled out" this Jane Doe out based on the misinformation that is out there.

The LACMEC's ID Unit said that (in their opinion), none of the three sketches of Jane Doe look like Jane Doe. They said that there are similarities between the sketches and Jane Doe, but none of the sketches are a good duplication of her.

Below is the misinformation that somehow ended up online / important information that was left out online / things that should have been specified online about Jane Doe. I'm attaching the partial coroner's report that was sent to me by LACMEC's ID Unit (they could not release the entire report since it is a homicide).

MOLES

Contrary to what is stated on NCMEC and Doe Network, and by the Forensic Artist (of the sketch of Jane Doe that is in my signature) in an abc7 article, there were NO MOLES on Jane Doe’s forehead (per the LACMEC's ID Unit).

I sent the abc7 article to the LACMEC's ID Unit, and after reviewing the article they said that what the Forensic Artist was seeing on Jane Doe's forehead were "burn artifacts."

DENTALS

Contrary to what is stated by the Forensic Artist in the abc7 article, there is NO GAP between Jane Doe's two front teeth (per the LACMEC's ID Unit).

Jane Doe's teeth were shifted to the right. The space between her upper two front teeth was shifted to the right of the mid-line of her face/nose (per the LACMEC's ID Unit).

The info about the teeth being shifted to the right was not included in any online sources. I think that needs to be included because that is a very distinguishing characteristic. Would you agree?

SCAR

The artist sketch depicts the scar as being in the middle of Jane Doe's forehead. However, according to LACMEC's ID Unit, the scar is "right below her hairline (at least an inch above the eyebrow)."

Below is an image of a close-up of the scar in the artist's sketch. LACMEC's ID Unit verified that this is from an artist's sketch and that it is not an actual photo of Jane Doe.

Some more info about Jane Doe's appearance that I spoke to LACMEC's ID Unit about:

• Her teeth appear to be normal size (I asked the ID Unit if she had large teeth bc they appeared that way (to me) in one of the sketches)
• Her teeth are a little crooked. (This was noted in some of the online profiles but I wanted to verify it with the ID Unit since there is so much misinformation out there.)
• Appears to have full lips BUT they can swell after death due to trauma. (I know I mentioned this in an earlier comment but I wanted to add it again since that seems to be a prominent facial feature of this Jane Doe.

wow!! i wonder why there hasnt been an updated sketch/bust if there is so many problems with the prior sketch??

 

[Bit of hope]

wow!! i wonder why there hasnt been an updated sketch/bust if there is so many problems with the prior sketch??

Yes, I wonder about that too. I think they lost the file with pictures of the deceased. IIRR luckely a medical examiner found a bone of her somewhere on a shelf. I think the only way now is genealogical DNA research.

 

[Bit of hope]

I came across this missing woman. The thing is she went missing somewhere in 1996 and Tujanga Doe is found in 1994. Normally I wouldn't bring her up but it's not totally sure when exact she went missing and IMO she looks a lot like a mixture of the recons known. No stats (f.i. age) available.

Juana “Joana” Cuevas Sanchez Went Missing in 1996, And Her Daughter is Seeking Answers.

Juana Joana Cuevas Sanchez is a United States citizen who disappeared while in Tijuana, Mexico in 1996. Have you seen her? Please click the article headline to read the full article on her disappearance.

undergroundmysteries.com

 

[Nauticalguy]

@Nauticalguy I contacted Aransas PD several months ago and I left a message with the Chief asking if Elisa's dental records were available for comparison to this Jane Doe's but I never heard back from him. I have been busy helping another family who thinks this may be their missing loved one, so I have not reached out to Aransas PD again. I will reach out to Aransas PD again tomorrow. Did you know Elisa? The reason I ask is because I noticed that you also visited Elisa's Websleuths thread.

I just send you a direct message, having forgotten you had replied to me four years ago! Sorry, my bad!

 

[Susikatze]

They have no DNA, right?
I would not rule out her being AA or Afrohispanic. Is it common for Asian or Hispanic women to wear wigs? Very common for AA women.

 

[DS2021]

No new exclusions

 

[snooptroop88]

Am posting images of this young woman because I don't believe (?) I've seen her mentioned yet in conjunction with this case, and I think she strongly resembles the sketches available. Lillian Irene Estrada, missing Sept 1990 from Spring Valley CA, runaway, 16 yo, 5'1", 105 lbs.

Jane Doe:

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Spring Valley CA is approximately 2 and a half hours drive to Sunland Tujunga.

 

[iamshadow21]

Am posting images of this young woman because I don't believe (?) I've seen her mentioned yet in conjunction with this case, and I think she strongly resembles the sketches available. Lillian Irene Estrada, missing Sept 1990 from Spring Valley CA, runaway, 16 yo, 5'1", 105 lbs.

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Jane Doe:

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Spring Valley CA is approximately 2 and a half hours drive to Sunland Tujunga.

Lillian's thread: https://websleuths.com/threads/ca-lillian-irene-estrada-16-spring-valley-29-sept-1990.114786/