CA CA - Westlake Village, HispFem 18-30, UP11249, pregnant, in parking lot, Jul'80

  • #221
Something interesting that happened at work a few days ago. (I work at a large theme park in So Cal FYI and that's all I'm going to say for privacy reasons.) A girl was training at the attraction I work at and I was STUNNED by her resemblance to VCJD. She's Latina and probably in her twenties, has hair the same length and texture complete with brown roots and coincidentally with blonde hair going down about three inches from the end, the same face shape, same skin tone, her eyebrows were plucked and heavily drawn in, honestly it freaked me out a little bit how much she resembles the latest reconstruction given how much I've looked at it over the past year.

I am very tempted to bring it up the next time I see her but she doesn't know me from Adam and I don't want to come off as some creepy person with our first conversation revolving around "Hey, do you have a relative that might have disappeared in 1980 and that you haven't heard from since?" Anyone ever approach anyone in real life about one of these cases, and if so, how do you do so with some tact?

Very interesting. It is not impossible that they could be related - possible JD was her aunt or, very theoretically if she had given birth young and her child had also had another child young, maybe be JD's granddaughter - very theoretical. To be honest, I would maybe try seeing if she mentions of course having a missing relative (not impossible!), having family in one of the areas of Mexico that JD's genealogy was traced to, things like that, but I think if there is really a strong resemblance it is worth being curious about. There are a lot of people in the area, all leads should be looked into IMO.
 
  • #222
Something interesting that happened at work a few days ago. (I work at a large theme park in So Cal FYI and that's all I'm going to say for privacy reasons.) A girl was training at the attraction I work at and I was STUNNED by her resemblance to VCJD. She's Latina and probably in her twenties, has hair the same length and texture complete with brown roots and coincidentally with blonde hair going down about three inches from the end, the same face shape, same skin tone, her eyebrows were plucked and heavily drawn in, honestly it freaked me out a little bit how much she resembles the latest reconstruction given how much I've looked at it over the past year.

I am very tempted to bring it up the next time I see her but she doesn't know me from Adam and I don't want to come off as some creepy person with our first conversation revolving around "Hey, do you have a relative that might have disappeared in 1980 and that you haven't heard from since?" Anyone ever approach anyone in real life about one of these cases, and if so, how do you do so with some tact?

I put "Cantu Doe" as my avatar...however in order to put it as my avatar, I had to get it down to 10 KB. So I had to do some adjusting of the image. I spent alot of time getting the image uploaded etc. and spent alot of time actually looking at Carl's recon. Suddenly, I realized she looks just like my husband's niece.

However, we have no missing family members.
I have also seen San Antonio Jane Doe's actual post mortems and I don't see a family resemblance.

I guess, you could put an image on your locker, "Do you know who I am?" and hope that she sees it.

Ventura County Jane Doe's hair style is pretty much common now. It wasn't very common in 1980.

I was at a Tex-Mex eatery in a pretty rough part of town tonight. Nobody spoke English. They all spoke Spanish. For some reason, all the waitresses looked just like Kim Kardashian. They were also dressed in skimpy outfits, It was really strange.....

"Why do they all look like Kim Kardashian?...They aren't Armenian"
But here I am, an Armenian myself in Tex-Mex dive surrounded by waitresses who look like Kim Kardashian. Go figure.....
 
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  • #223
Interesting! Probably the same place my family members worked as well! Anyway, we know Jane doe might have connections to that area and wasn’t it believed that she had a prior birth? This could be a relative. Are there any sort of lockers or mailboxes where a flier could be placed where she might see it?

I like this idea..get the word out. Word gets around...lockers and fliers are a good idea.
 
  • #224
I put "Cantu Doe" as my avatar...however in order to put it as my avatar, I had to get it down to 10 KB. So I had to do some adjusting of the image. I spent alot of time getting the image uploaded etc. and spent alot of time actually looking at Carl's recon. Suddenly, I realized she looks just like my husband's niece.

However, we have no missing family members.
I have also seen San Antonio Jane Doe's actual post mortems and I don't see a family resemblance.

I guess, you could put an image on your locker, "Do you know who I am?" and hope that she sees it.

Ventura County Jane Doe's hair style is pretty much common now. It wasn't very common in 1980.

I was at a Tex-Mex eatery in a pretty rough part of town tonight. Nobody spoke English. They all spoke Spanish. For some reason, all the waitresses looked just like Kim Kardashian. They were also dressed in skimpy outfits, It was really strange.....

"Why do they all look like Kim Kardashian?...They aren't Armenian"
But here I am, an Armenian myself in Tex-Mex dive surrounded by waitresses who look like Kim Kardashian. Go figure.....
there is a very high rate of young women going into the MX border cities to get "work" done.
 
  • #225
Interesting! Probably the same place my family members worked as well! Anyway, we know Jane doe might have connections to that area and wasn’t it believed that she had a prior birth? This could be a relative. Are there any sort of lockers or mailboxes where a flier could be placed where she might see it?

We do have employee lockers and lock our stuff up in the same place over and over again given the area we work in. I think putting up a flyer would be my best bet just to see if it generates any new leads. I'll try to do it discreetly in the next week or two. Better a shot in the dark then just sitting on this!
 
  • #226
An interesting article with many details about Ventura County Jane Doe

She Has a Name


To investigators clustered at the scene in shirtsleeves on that warm Friday afternoon in July 1980, she looked young, probably in her 20s. She was sprawled on a dirt slope near a parking lot above the Westlake High School football field in Thousand Oaks, a safe, upscale suburb 40 miles north of Los Angeles. Her face, tilted to the sun, was a perfect heart shape. Her dark hair, lighter at the tips, was matted with blood, as were her white T-shirt and red corduroy pants. Open-toed, high-heeled shoes had been tossed into the brush. Blood smears suggested that the woman had been killed elsewhere, dumped from a car, and dragged to her public resting place.

Later that afternoon, an autopsy at the Ventura County morgue showed that she was between five foot two and five foot three, weighed 100 to 110 pounds, and was four or five months pregnant with a male fetus, not her first child, according to a further medical exam. Though her red-lacquered fingernails were intact, her cut and bruised arms signified a struggle. Hemorrhaging around her neck indicated that she had been strangled until unconscious, though not to the point of death, which had been caused by multiple knife wounds in her chest and abdomen.

School maintenance workers had found the body and alerted the authorities. Until an ambulance and a fire truck made their noisy arrivals, a scattering of parents attending a varsity football practice that morning had remained oblivious. They told detectives they knew nothing. A motorcycle hidden in some parking lot bushes seemed suspicious, but had simply been flung there by a man who’d run out of gas. When the news spread, a motorist reported that he and his wife had noticed someone matching the victim’s description hitchhiking near the freeway the previous night. He had daughters, and he worried. This information led nowhere, and no one claimed the woman.

Still unidentified, a month later she was buried at Conejo Mountain Memorial Park in Camarillo. Without leads, detectives stored her bloodied clothes. And so, in 1980, the case of Westlake, a.k.a. Jane Doe Ventura County, went cold…

…In January 2013, CODIS had identified the DNA of Wilson C. Chouest Jr. on Westlake’s clothing. It turned out that Chouest (pronounced “shoe-west”) was already locked up at California State Prison, Corcoran for a rape, a kidnapping, and a robbery he’d committed in August and September 1980—after Jane Doe Westlake’s July murder…

…By October 2018, the DDP was ready to start researching Westlake’s identity. The genealogy websites GEDmatch and FamilyTree provided lists of people who shared her DNA, and from those, volunteers traced a line of ancestry to the Mexican state of Zacatecas and her third- or fourth-great-grandparents, Ponciano Montellano and Feliciana Rojas, who had seven children.

Lines from the Montellano family reached into Monterrey, in Mexico’s state of Nuevo León, and into New Mexico. But close matches to Westlake, a.k.a. Jane Doe Ventura County, a.k.a. Lyra Jade, proved elusive…
 
  • #227
An interesting article with many details about Ventura County Jane Doe



…By October 2018, the DDP was ready to start researching Westlake’s identity. The genealogy websites GEDmatch and FamilyTree provided lists of people who shared her DNA, and from those, volunteers traced a line of ancestry to the Mexican state of Zacatecas and her third- or fourth-great-grandparents, Ponciano Montellano and Feliciana Rojas, who had seven children.

Lines from the Montellano family reached into Monterrey, in Mexico’s state of Nuevo León, and into New Mexico. But close matches to Westlake, a.k.a. Jane Doe Ventura County, a.k.a. Lyra Jade, proved elusive…

I was playing around with the Montellano family in Family Search. I got dead ended when trying to retrieve records for those born after 1928 or so in Mexico. Family Search has policies against creating records for possibly living people, so I gave up.
I'm sure Doe DNA Project has much better access to records, than li'l ole me.
It's just going to take a long time.
 
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  • #228
It is very novel-style narrative, but still there are some interesting details:


But no matter how hard Rhods pushed him about the murders of Westlake and Jane Doe Kern County, Chouest wouldn’t break.

“Not my DNA,” he insisted. “I didn’t do it.”

Chouest hadn’t seen his daughter, Brigette, since she was a toddler. With brown eyes and black hair, she looked remarkably like her father as a younger man.

Rhods showed him photos.

“My ploy was, You get to know where your daughter is. Maybe your victims’ families would like to know where their daughter is,” says Rhods.

Chouest became emotional, but still denied knowing the murdered women. Hoping that he would confess to Brigette, Rhods and Evans took her to breakfast. The confession didn’t happen.

“She believed that her father was a murderer, but she didn’t want to believe that her father was a murderer,” Rhods says.

In May 2016, Brigette Chouest, at 40, committed suicide by jumping off a building in Hollywood. Another of her father’s victims, Rhods thought…

…The day after Chouest’s sentencing, Rhods and Barrick visited him in jail. Still uncooperative, Chouest did say he thought he had picked up Jane Doe Kern County in a Lemoore bar and Jane Doe Westlake as she had hitchhiked in the area.

Barrick didn’t buy it. Westlake’s clothes, her manicure, seemed more city than country. Chouest had killed Jane Doe Kern County, Barrick surmised, then driven south to Los Angeles. There, he picked up Westlake, murdered her, and dumped her in Thousand Oaks on his way north to Carolyn Bell’s house, where the boys vacuumed her blood from his car.
 
  • #229
In a recent triumph, the DDP identified the father of Westlake’s fetus, and he agreed to a DNA test. It was positive. But in 1980, he was married with a daughter on the way. Despite the evidence, over the phone to Rhods, he denied knowing Westlake or having an affair.

Since the man has moved from Los Angeles to New York, Rhods plans to fly there. Harder to lie face-to-face, he thinks
She Has a Name
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There is still hope for some info from the father of VCJD's unborn child. We might not get a name etc, but he might remember something......
 
  • #230
@CarlK90245

Maybe Carl is a featured guest already?

Alta Live: Who Is Jane Doe Ventura County?
Description
Advances in DNA technology helped Sergeant Steve Rhods discover who killed Jane Doe Ventura County, but they have yet to help the experienced detective identify the young, pregnant murder victim, discovered near a high school football field in 1980. In her latest for Alta Journal, writer Louise Farr examines Rhods’s exhaustive efforts to hunt down a murderer and find justice for his victims, despite not knowing their names. Rhods has solved numerous mysteries in his storied career—is he closing in on the answer to another? Farr and Rhods join Alta Live to look at law enforcement’s use of genetic databases, discuss the challenges unidentified victims present in criminal cases, and see whether you recognize the latest—and hopefully most accurate—artist’s rendering of Jane Doe Ventura County. Join us.
Time
Jan 5, 2022 12:30 PM in Pacific Time (US and Canada)


Welcome! You are invited to join a webinar: Alta Live: Who Is Jane Doe Ventura County?. After registering, you will receive a confirmation email about joining the webinar.
 
  • #231
@CarlK90245

Maybe Carl is a featured guest already?

No, I was unaware that this was scheduled. Jan 5 is a Wednesday, which is an office day for me (I've been back to full-time accounting work for the past couple of years), so I would be unavailable even if I was invited.
 
  • #232
In a recent triumph, the DDP identified the father of Westlake’s fetus, and he agreed to a DNA test. It was positive. But in 1980, he was married with a daughter on the way. Despite the evidence, over the phone to Rhods, he denied knowing Westlake or having an affair.

Since the man has moved from Los Angeles to New York, Rhods plans to fly there. Harder to lie face-to-face, he thinks
She Has a Name
_________________________________________________________________________
.
There is still hope for some info from the father of VCJD's unborn child. We might not get a name etc, but he might remember something......

He may not remember her name or his involvement with her, but I guarantee if he were married, and his wife knew about the affair and knew her name, there's a good chance she certainly would remember, even 40 years later. I know I do.
 
  • #233
He may not remember her name or his involvement with her, but I guarantee if he were married, and his wife knew about the affair and knew her name, there's a good chance she certainly would remember, even 40 years later. I know I do.


I'm pretty sure she did not know.

There really is no reason for her to find out either.... JMO...
I hope they can keep it under wraps for VCJD's sake....
 
  • #234
I'm pretty sure she did not know.

There really is no reason for her to find out either.... JMO...
I hope they can keep it under wraps for VCJD's sake...
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RBBM for clarity, as I don't think I'm understanding, and I apologize. What do you mean by this?
 
  • #235
RBBM for clarity, as I don't think I'm understanding, and I apologize. What do you mean by this?


There is no reason for his wife to find out that he had an affair 40 years ago, if it will ensure that he will talk about her.

He may have told his wife, but I seriously doubt it just based on the fact that: "over the phone to Rhods, he denied knowing Westlake or having an affair."
 
  • #236
There is no reason for his wife to find out that he had an affair 40 years ago, if it will ensure that he will talk about her.

He may have told his wife, but I seriously doubt it just based on the fact that: "over the phone to Rhods, he denied knowing Westlake or having an affair."

There may be no shielding her from the truth, unfortunately.
 
  • #237
There may be no shielding her from the truth, unfortunately.

I can't imagine she doesn't know at this point, but I could be wrong. I imagine if her husband is getting calls or emails from DDP, submitting DNA tests to see if he is a paternal match with Jane Doe's son, etc., it is unlikely that she has been shielded from it. Unless they aren't together anymore. Even if they aren't, though, I think it'd be unlikely she doesn't know.

When the news spread, a motorist reported that he and his wife had noticed someone matching the victim’s description hitchhiking near the freeway the previous night. He had daughters, and he worried. This information led nowhere, and no one claimed the woman.

I had no idea about this - did anyone? This pokes a hole in Chouest's statement that he picked her up in Visalia and seems to indicate that (unless it was a case of mistaken identity, which is possible) she hadn't been held captive by Chouest for a long period of time. I mean, I guess theoretically he could have picked her up in Visalia, dropped her off in the area, and then later picked her up again? I have no clue. I tend to think he was lying.
 
  • #238
I had no idea about this - did anyone? This pokes a hole in Chouest's statement that he picked her up in Visalia and seems to indicate that (unless it was a case of mistaken identity, which is possible) she hadn't been held captive by Chouest for a long period of time. I mean, I guess theoretically he could have picked her up in Visalia, dropped her off in the area, and then later picked her up again? I have no clue. I tend to think he was lying.

I read about that earlier, but I don't think the girl didn't quite fit Jane Doe's description. There was something that was a bit off.

I think I read about it in the Ventura Star...or something like that...
I know that Chouest had a sedan and this couple saw the girl get in a truck.
The hitch-hiker may have been wearing different clothes too.
 
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Could our Jane be one of the ones DDP mentioned as being ID'd, but they have to sit on an announcement?
 

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