CA CA - William Cierzan, 58, Santa Clarita Valley, 26 Jan 2017 #2

[Dushi]

But, even if he did plan on stepping out for a bit to do a quick errand , even if he put cash in his pocket and left everything else behind, wouldn't he have been seen on the neighbor's video camera?

Would it be common to leave doors unlocked?
Is there a key pad on the garage door?

 

[LietKynes]

Yes, I think you're right. Although if he began cooking at 4pm, I think the oven may well have been cold. My thought was why wouldn't WC wait a while before cooking, if he was just starting to prepare the food, and his wife told him at 4pm she was going to be late ?

Also, is it known where WC's wife was when she called him at 6pm, and got no response ? TIA to anyone who might know.

SABBM

I thought she was at work ?

Would be VERY interested in what was on WC's phone !! That is one of the few clues available ; imo.

Still can't shake the feeling Will was surprised that day. And it doesn't feel like he ran away.

 

[liz b.]

But, even if he did plan on stepping out for a bit to do a quick errand , even if he put cash in his pocket and left everything else behind, wouldn't he have been seen on the neighbor's video camera?

Would it be common to leave doors unlocked?
Is there a key pad on the garage door?

Dushi, I think he got into the relative's vehicle at 5 06 pm. jmo

 

[liz b.]

SABBM

I thought she was at work ?

Would be VERY interested in what was on WC's phone !! That is one of the few clues available ; imo.

Still can't shake the feeling Will was surprised that day. And it doesn't feel like he ran away.

I definitely do not believe he ran away. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Dushi, I think he got into the relative's vehicle at 5 06 pm. jmo

I think so too,liz.
I don't believe he ran away

JMO

 

[LietKynes]

Exactly who was the relative that Will left with ?
I have an idea.

Quite clearly WC didn't leave on foot.

The one piece of concrete evidence is that he left with someone.
I would like to speak with that "someone".
Whatever happened to or with Will-- somebody was with him at least a few minutes after 5pm. He wasn't alone.
:moo:

Gahhh ! This is so frustrating.

There's this mental image of someone luring Will away... saying something like : ".. we need to have a quick chat..."
And I think that it was someone Will had no reason to fear. (relative or close friend ?)
Again I want to know more about the relative who was fired from the same place where Will worked.

 

[Dushi]

Exactly who was the relative that Will left with ?
I have an idea.

Quite clearly WC didn't leave on foot.

The one piece of concrete evidence is that he left with someone.
I would like to speak with that "someone".
Whatever happened to or with Will-- somebody was with him at least a few minutes after 5pm. He wasn't alone.
:moo:

Gahhh ! This is so frustrating.

There's this mental image of someone luring Will away... saying something like : ".. we need to have a quick chat..."
And I think that it was someone Will had no reason to fear. (relative or close friend ?)
Again I want to know more about the relative who was fired from the same place where Will worked.

Yeah but... someone was bleeding
I know LE has not stated it was new or old blood, but if it was old, I doubt it would have mattered to them, or been mentioned
I don't think he was lured.
I think he was taken, forced

And Until told otherwise, I feel confident I know who knows what happened there

 

[Razz]

Dushi, I think he got into the relative's vehicle at 5 06 pm. jmo

Why do you think he got into the vehicle at 5:06. And do you think it was willingly?

If there is no evidence of Will voluntarily getting into the car or evidence he was put in unwillingly, how can they prove that he was ever in the car at all? All neph had to say is, I was in the neighborhood, stopped in his driveway for a bit to make a phone call and left. I never saw or spoke to WC at that time.

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[Dushi]

Why do you think he got into the vehicle at 5:06. And do you think it was willingly?

If there is no evidence of Will voluntarily getting into the car or evidence he was put in unwillingly, how can they prove that he was ever in the car at all? All neph had to say is, I was in the neighborhood, stopped in his driveway for a bit to make a phone call and left. I never saw or spoke to WC at that time.

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You are so right.
All he needed to do was admit to being there.
If there is no further video, how can LE prove Will left/ was taken by a specific person?

 

[Dushi]

We know he was alive at five
We know he didn't answer his phone at 6
We know he was gone at 7

 

[Dushi]

Will had company, (according to the company) that day , to watch golf
Where is the video of this company coming and going?

 

[Razz]

We know he was alive at five
We know he didn't answer his phone at 6
We know he was gone at 7

Wait a sec. How do we know he was alive at 5. He talked to LC at 4:00.

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[Dushi]

Wait a sec. How do we know he was alive at 5. He talked to LC at 4:00.

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Wait

Yes I am wrong
There was incorrect reporting about the 5PM call
She called at 4, not 5

Sorry for confusion

 

[Dushi]

We know he was alive at five
We know he didn't answer his phone at 6
We know he was gone at 7

CORRECTION


He was alive at four
He did not answer a call at six
He was not at home at seven

 

[LietKynes]

Will had company, (according to the company) that day , to watch golf
Where is the video of this company coming and going?

SABBM

Good point --- did someone sneak into Wills' home , stay and visit, and sneak away again ?
We've heard about the vehicle that stopped by for a bit later in the afternoon -- so, is there NO video of the earlier visit ?
And why didn't Will mention to his wife that his nephew was there that day ?
Why did we only hear it from the nephew's mother ?


I was thinking the only 'proof' we have that a relative stopped over and watched golf ...was the relative's parent ?

A lot of this case and its' "facts" are based on hearsay.
I wish LE would tell us more.
They HAVE to know more ; imo.

Whatever happened to Will took him by surprise ; imo.

I keep hopping on and off the fence as to whether Will was a victim of foul play-- but I'm leaning towards something bad that occurred.
He (WC) did not seem like a flighty person. He sounded dependable-- from what I've read about him.

 

[Dushi]

SABBM

Good point --- did someone sneak into Wills' home , stay and visit, and sneak away again ?
We've heard about the vehicle that stopped by for a bit later in the afternoon -- so, is there NO video of the earlier visit ?
And why didn't Will mention to his wife that his nephew was there that day ?
Why did we only hear it from the nephew's mother ?


I was thinking the only 'proof' we have that a relative stopped over and watched golf ...was the relative's parent ?

A lot of this case and its' "facts" are based on hearsay.
I wish LE would tell us more.
They HAVE to know more ; imo.

Whatever happened to Will took him by surprise ; imo.

I keep hopping on and off the fence as to whether Will was a victim of foul play-- but I'm leaning towards something bad that occurred.
He (WC) did not seem like a flighty person. He sounded dependable-- from what I've read about him.

Lord, that is a fact
I keep going back to the PC
I believe the timeline because Linda said it
The family member visiting is really just second hand as it came from another Family member. There is nothing that I am aware of to back that up.
Then we know about the visitor at 5:06 but, we never see that person getting out of the car
We can't see the garage door so we don't know if someone exited through it
It is very frustrating
I wish LE would update
People care

 

[zencompass]

I was so hoping that street web cams captured this vehicle. Perhaps the authorities have received more information.

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[liz b.]

We know he was alive at five
We know he didn't answer his phone at 6
We know he was gone at 7

Ho do we know he was alive at 5pm ? TIA

 

[Dushi]

Ho do we know he was alive at 5pm ? TIA

I corrected that above
We don't know he was alive at 5, the call was made at 4
It was too late to edit so i copied and corrected
Sorry for any confusion

 

[liz b.]

Lord, that is a fact
I keep going back to the PC
I believe the timeline because Linda said it
The family member visiting is really just second hand as it came from another Family member. There is nothing that I am aware of to back that up.
Then we know about the visitor at 5:06 but, we never see that person getting out of the car
We can't see the garage door so we don't know if someone exited through it
It is very frustrating
I wish LE would update
People care

Good post,.but to be real, it's best to only believe what comes directly from LE. jmo