CA CA - William Cierzan, 58, Santa Clarita Valley, 26 Jan 2017 #2

[Dushi]

Good post,.but to be real, it's best to only believe what comes directly from LE. jmo

I agree, but I have a hard time doubting anything Linda said at the PC
I certainly have no faith in anything that family was told by other family members and was reported at the PC. It may be true, it may not be

 

[katydid23]

Here is my theory, based upon my experience with a deadbeat/druggie nephew that used to be a problem in our family----

I had posted earlier about my experience with my husband's cousins son. Husband;s family is all on East coast. We are in Southern Cali. A few years ago my husband's great-nephew moved near us. Supposedly because he had a new job and new girlfriend. We welcomed him at first and husband was kind and generous towards him. But slowly it devolved into a toxic relationship. He lost his job and his girlfriend,lost his car and drivers license, etc etc...

Anyhow, my point is that eventually my husband and I began fighting about the nephew. I didn't want him around much at all. Husband still wanted to help him a bit because he is compassionate/pushover. But he rarely mentioned it if nephew came by and I was not home, lol,...


So MY THEORY is that nephew stopped by and wanted something, like to borrow money or a big favor. And WC nicely refused. And tried to just watch golf with him instead. And he did not mention it to wife because he did not want to discuss it on the phone, maybe nephew was still there even?

Nephew leaves but is still angry and he seethes about it for awhile and then decides to go back and ask again, more forcefully? It all goes sideways ?

 

[liz b.]

Why do you think he got into the vehicle at 5:06. And do you think it was willingly?

If there is no evidence of Will voluntarily getting into the car or evidence he was put in unwillingly, how can they prove that he was ever in the car at all? All neph had to say is, I was in the neighborhood, stopped in his driveway for a bit to make a phone call and left. I never saw or spoke to WC at that time.

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That would be a huge coincidence for the relative to pull into WC's driveway just to make a call. According to the vid time stamp, the vehicle was there for only about 5 minutes. I think the driver drove WC someplace. I just don't see WC being carried out and placed in the vehicle. LE is sayng that it is a missing person's case, they do not even know if a crime took place. jmo

 

[liz b.]

SABBM

Good point --- did someone sneak into Wills' home , stay and visit, and sneak away again ?
We've heard about the vehicle that stopped by for a bit later in the afternoon -- so, is there NO video of the earlier visit ?
And why didn't Will mention to his wife that his nephew was there that day ?
Why did we only hear it from the nephew's mother ?


I was thinking the only 'proof' we have that a relative stopped over and watched golf ...was the relative's parent ?

A lot of this case and its' "facts" are based on hearsay.
I wish LE would tell us more.
They HAVE to know more ; imo.

Whatever happened to Will took him by surprise ; imo.

I keep hopping on and off the fence as to whether Will was a victim of foul play-- but I'm leaning towards something bad that occurred.
He (WC) did not seem like a flighty person. He sounded dependable-- from what I've read about him.

Originally, WC's sister said that, according to the video "no friends stopped by" " No one came to the front door" , but if a relative stopped by, and used the side pathway to enter through the sliders in back ?

 

[cool12]

i just wish LE could and/or would release more info.


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[LietKynes]

i just wish LE could and/or would release more info.


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RSBM

Agreed.
Here's a morbid thought --- Maybe LE has a good idea that Will is deceased... but there's no body and all involved (and maybe some relatives of those involved?) are keeping silent ?

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[Razz]

RSBM

Agreed.
Here's a morbid thought --- Maybe LE has a good idea that Will is deceased... but there's no body and all involved (and maybe some relatives of those involved?) are keeping silent ?

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This has always bothered me. Certainly they know someone, possibly in the family is in-
volved in WC' s disappearance.

So, what side do you choose? The brother whose son may be responsible or the brother that is missing.

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[GigTu]

I've been reading, not posting. With no new information, there isn't much to say. I just want closure for Will's wife, and the person who would harm a sweet, harmless man taken off the streets. If I lived closer, I'd be supporting the search teams... but by doing my own investigative search on those responsible.

Murderers need to be brought to justice, no matter who they are.

 

[GigTu]

This has always bothered me. Certainly they know someone, possibly in the family is in-
volved in WC' s disappearance.

So, what side do you choose? The brother whose son may be responsible or the brother that is missing.

You must choose the side of Will. No matter what went down, Will does not deserve to be harmed, and hid. And... if a person commits a crime of this nature to a family member, then why wouldn't they harm others as well? The dangerous person needs to be removed from the streets. Period.

 

[Razz]

You must choose the side of Will. No matter what went down, Will does not deserve to be harmed, and hid. And... if a person commits a crime of this nature to a family member, then why wouldn't they harm others as well? The dangerous person needs to be removed from the streets. Period.

Yes, I agree no argument here but what I meant is; I wonder if the family is feuding over it? "My son said he was not involved and that should be enough for you right there. And to say he had something to do with it makes me very angry and if you're all not careful, it will cause a permanent rift between us. You'll be minus 2 brother's instead of one."

The above is sheer speculation and sort of how I imagine things could be going among the family members.

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[GigTu]

Yes, I agree no argument here but what I meant is; I wonder if the family is feuding over it? "My son said he was not involved and that should be enough for you right there. And to say he had something to do with it makes me very angry and if you're all not careful, it will cause a permanent rift between us. You'll be minus 2 brother's instead of one."

The above is sheer speculation and sort of how I imagine things could be going among the family members.

Oh, I see. Yeah, that would be rough.

I don't know how the dynamics are playing out but I would think anyone but the person's actual parents would choose the side of Will. Maybe I am stubborn and inflexible, but if I am putting myself in the shoes of Will's brothers and sisters, I would want the nephew off the streets. Being the nephew's parents would be a much harder scenario to deal with. However, at some point and time people have to accept reality and do the right thing for society, even if it is their relative. jmo

 

[Razz]

Oh, I see. Yeah, that would be rough.

I don't know how the dynamics are playing out but I would think anyone but the person's actual parents would choose the side of Will. Maybe I am stubborn and inflexible, but if I am putting myself in the shoes of Will's brothers and sisters, I would want the nephew off the streets. Being the nephew's parents would be a much harder scenario to deal with. However, at some point and time people have to accept reality and do the right thing for society, even if it is their relative. jmo

We are speculating that the neph has answers. I cannot say with any certainty that he is guilty or in any way responsible for Will's
disappearance.

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[GigTu]

We are speculating that the neph has answers. I cannot say with any certainty that he is guilty or in any way responsible for Will's disappearance.

Of course, all speculation. Based on circumstantial evidence, common sense, and 'most likely-hoods'. But yeah, speculation.

 

[Dushi]

I guess it is possible that a perfect stranger is responsible for Will's disappearance.
I still want to know why there is no video of anyone coming to the door or Will leaving.
The only video that we have seen is a of a SUV that is similar to one owned by a family member
Of course there could be more video, but wouldn't LE have shown us video of persons or vehicles unknown?

 

[Dushi]

“Just when I think he’s dead, I think ‘no.’ They searched 80 acres. There are searchers out there every day,” Will Cierzan’s sister, Andrea Peck told The Signal Tuesday. “That’s when we start to think

‘Is there a possibility he’s OK?’ We’re hanging in there.”
Homicide detectives continue to work diligently on the case, she said, but sharing nothing of what they’ve uncovered or learned with the family.

https://signalscv.com/2017/04/25/no-sign-will-cierzan-3-months/

 

[Dushi]

Asked about how the missing man’s wife was doing, Peck said: “Not very well. She’s at her wit’s end.”

Will Cierzan’s nephew, who watched golf on TV with him the day he disappeared, has withdrawn from any interaction, she said.

“He won’t search, he won’t talk,” Peck said.

https://signalscv.com/2017/04/25/no-sign-will-cierzan-3-months/

 

[GigTu]

Asked about how the missing man’s wife was doing, Peck said: “Not very well. She’s at her wit’s end.”

Will Cierzan’s nephew, who watched golf on TV with him the day he disappeared, has withdrawn from any interaction, she said.

“He won’t search, he won’t talk,” Peck said.

https://signalscv.com/2017/04/25/no-sign-will-cierzan-3-months/

That's very telling!

 

[GigTu]

The *coff* music group Insane Clown Posse (ICP) has a following, and those super fans are call Juggalos. I looked up some song lyrics, and every single song is about violence and acts of evil. If a group of people are bonded based on this foundation, and that group is more like an underground cult that acts like a gang, it seems to me those people would all stand by each other, help each other and cover for each other. If a group of impressionable teens grows up following this cult, adopting the song lyrics as if they're bible verses, that would become a very dangerous group. And if they are motivated and guided by song lyrics, who's to say they also wouldn't adopt other music group's lyrics that fit into their modus operendi? For example, Necro. That band has a song that's literally a guide on how to dispose of a body.

At the surface it all seems far fetched. But if you really look into Juggalos, you will quickly learn that it's basically a life style choice based on brainwashing, and the group members are dangerous if they really stand by their gang.

 

[liz b.]

“Just when I think he’s dead, I think ‘no.’ They searched 80 acres. There are searchers out there every day,” Will Cierzan’s sister, Andrea Peck told The Signal Tuesday. “That’s when we start to think

‘Is there a possibility he’s OK?’ We’re hanging in there.”
Homicide detectives continue to work diligently on the case, she said, but sharing nothing of what they’ve uncovered or learned with [/B]the family.

https://signalscv.com/2017/04/25/no-sign-will-cierzan-3-months/

RBBM : That's interesting.

 

[xmsmadex]

"One of these days I'm going write my own article.
Correction: foul play/suspicious circumstances are suspected. And Kari Dauer-Hewitt is a former administrator, no longer with SCVEN.
And, there's a phenomenal team of people, not just one person or searching daily. None of us wish to be named."

https://www.facebook.com/MissingWillCierzan/

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