CA CA - William Cierzan, 58, Santa Clarita Valley, 26 Jan 2017 #2

[Dushi]

Jumping in on your post : if it was bloodstains that were found, that could mean blood from an earlier time ?

Yes, but I do find it strange that LE came to take the MP report and checked the house so soon
It just seems like someone saw something unusual in the house
I know they say he was a home body but he was not a recluse.
How long after Linda got home, did she report him missing?

 

[Dushi]

I think he would have grabbed his money and keys if he voluntarily went some where with the neph.

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So do I.

 

[Razz]

I meant that he could have just decided to go out for a few hours ? He had been in the house all day ?

That's what I want to know. Did she tell him she was going to be 3 hours late at the 4:00 call or, did she call him at 6 (and of course, he didn't answer) to tell him it was going to be another hour?!

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[GigTu]

I don't think they noticed the blood the first day, necessarily. But they assigned homocide to the case within a few days of WC having gone missing, probably because they found blood.

In this article it's stated that the police were there every day for about a week, looking for clues. The press conference came shortly after, which is when we the public found out about the blood.

https://signalscv.com/2017/01/31/homicide-detectives-ramp-probe-cierzan-case/

There's a lot in the article that describes WC's personality, including that he has a photographic memory. I wonder if he heard or saw something that caused him to become a threat to someone else. Remember, the nephew worked at 6 Flags for a short time, got into a fight and was fired. I wonder if WC learned something damming about the nephew from other coworkers, and he confronted the nephew.

I'm also feeling that WC was "escorted out" after he was struck while still inside the house. He may have even been partially bound. Just guessing, that's not stated anywhere.

In multiple early articles, it states WC last spoke to LC AT 5:00 pm the day he disappeared, and she herself said she DID NOT KNOW the nephew was there that day. This matters, because I can't imagine there was enough time to kill WC, carry him out, clean the blood and other evidence in those 6 minutes. Maybe it's possible, but I find it unlikely.

 

[liz b.]

I think he would have grabbed his money and keys if he voluntarily went some where with the neph.

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He might not have needed his car keys, and it is very possible that he had some cash on him. I believe he had his phone when he left. I've never seen anything saying his phone was at the house ? jmo If so, I doubt he left under duress, since his abductor would likely know his phone could be pinged ?

 

[Dushi]

I don't think they noticed the blood the first day, necessarily. But they assigned homocide to the case within a few days of WC having gone missing, probably because they found blood.

In this article it's stated that the police were there every day for about a week, looking for clues. The press conference came shortly after, which is when we the public found out about the blood.

https://signalscv.com/2017/01/31/homicide-detectives-ramp-probe-cierzan-case/

There's a lot in the article that describes WC's personality, including that he has a photographic memory. I wonder if he heard or saw something that caused him to become a threat to someone else. Remember, the nephew worked at 6 Flags for a short time, got into a fight and was fired. I wonder if WC learned something damming about the nephew from other coworkers, and he confronted the nephew.

I'm also feeling that WC was "escorted out" after he was struck while still inside the house. He may have been partially bound even. Just guessing.

In multiple early articles, it states WC spoke to LC AT 5:00 pm the day he disappeared, and she herself said she DID NOT KNOW the nephew was there that day. This matters, because I can't imagine there was enough time kill WC, carry him out, clean the blood and other evidence in those 6 minutes. Maybe it's possible, but I find it unlikely.

“Deputies conducted a search at the house Thursday and found what appears to be blood stains,” Det. Ralph Hernandez said Wednesday at the press conference held at the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department’s Homicide Bureau in Monterey Park.

https://signalscv.com/2017/02/01/blo...e-missing-man/


This could be incorrect reporting
It is quoting from the PC
So I will have another listen after my dental app

 

[sassyblue]

His phone was also left behind from what I remember. MOO

 

[liz b.]

His phone was also left behind from what I remember. MOO

I have not seen that reported ? Just his keys, wallet and jacket ?

 

[LietKynes]

"Blood stains" seems to hint at blood that was 'wiped' or 'cleaned up'.
Just thinking out loud.

As opposed to 'blood spatter', 'blood drops' , etc.

The possibility that WC might have had a "photographic memory" ; and that the NEPHEW (even though there's NO poi , and this may be unrelated to any relative of Will's) worked at Six Flags --- is very huge in my mind.

This case is like a puzzle where the pieces are starting to fit together.

I'm starting to lose hope that Will is ok. So sorry for his wife. She seemed sad and heartbroken at the presser.

 

[GigTu]

Here is says his cell phone was left behind. But it also states they last spoke at 4:00 pm, not 5:00 pm.

It's hard to know which article to trust, but I lean towards the first published articles as being most likely.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...zan-missing-santa-clarita-20170202-story.html

 

[GigTu]

I feel like blood "stains" is just semantics. I think it could have been splatter or drops. We don't know that department's terminology habits.

 

[Razz]

I don't think they noticed the blood the first day, necessarily. But they assigned homocide to the case within a few days of WC having gone missing, probably because they found blood.

In this article it's stated that the police were there every day for about a week, looking for clues. The press conference came shortly after, which is when we the public found out about the blood.

https://signalscv.com/2017/01/31/homicide-detectives-ramp-probe-cierzan-case/

There's a lot in the article that describes WC's personality, including that he has a photographic memory. I wonder if he heard or saw something that caused him to become a threat to someone else. Remember, the nephew worked at 6 Flags for a short time, got into a fight and was fired. I wonder if WC learned something damming about the nephew from other coworkers, and he confronted the nephew.

I'm also feeling that WC was "escorted out" after he was struck while still inside the house. He may have even been partially bound. Just guessing, that's not stated anywhere.

In multiple early articles, it states WC last spoke to LC AT 5:00 pm the day he disappeared, and she herself said she DID NOT KNOW the nephew was there that day. This matters, because I can't imagine there was enough time to kill WC, carry him out, clean the blood and other evidence in those 6 minutes. Maybe it's possible, but I find it unlikely.

The PC said she first called at 4:00 and then LC later and after the PC and on camera said she called again at 6:00 (no answer) and returned home from work at 7:00. That is how police came up with the time frame of 4:00 to 7:00.



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[liz b.]

I don't think they noticed the blood the first day, necessarily. But they assigned homocide to the case within a few days of WC having gone missing, probably because they found blood.

In this article it's stated that the police were there every day for about a week, looking for clues. The press conference came shortly after, which is when we the public found out about the blood.

https://signalscv.com/2017/01/31/homicide-detectives-ramp-probe-cierzan-case/



There's a lot in the article that describes WC's personality, including that he has a photographic memory. I wonder if he heard or saw something that caused him to become a threat to someone else. Remember, the nephew worked at 6 Flags for a short time, got into a fight and was fired. I wonder if WC learned something damming about the nephew from other coworkers, and he confronted the nephew.

I'm also feeling that WC was "escorted out" after he was struck while still inside the house. He may have even been partially bound. Just guessing, that's not stated anywhere.

In multiple early articles, it states WC last spoke to LC AT 5:00 pm the day he disappeared, and she herself said she DID NOT KNOW the nephew was there that day. This matters, because I can't imagine there was enough time to kill WC, carry him out, clean the blood and other evidence in those 6 minutes. Maybe it's possible, but I find it unlikely.

LE was at the house for a week ??? "Looking for clues " ? That is amazing, in a missing person's case involving an adult. That is a lot of man power hours. jmo And WC is considered a missing person. Not "endangered missing " ?

IDK, but these things do not add up. Usually, if a missing person is vulnerable because of some mental or physical condition, the public is informed. It increases the sense of urgency to find them. Not the case here, apparently. It seems there was immediate LE presence at the house. Some things that come to mind are : did anyone have a serious, ongoing grudge with WC ? Was WC to be a witness in any upcoming trials ? Had he ever had any disputes with any neighbors ?

There are no rewards being offered ? No Crime Stoppers reward ?

 

[debbiegarcia36]

That's what I want to know. Did she tell him she was going to be 3 hours late at the 4:00 call or, did she call him at 6 (and of course, he didn't answer) to tell him it was going to be another hour?!

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We dont know she was 3 hours late. We do know that at 4 they spoke and he asked her if she was going to be a little late and she said yes. He said Ill be here. Say she normally gets off work at 5. Her commute time from Universal City would be an hour.That would normally get her home at 6. He probably was in the habit at starting dinner at 4 or 5 so it would be ready by the time she got home. He most likely knew that the chicken would keep warm in the oven as he wasnt sure how late she was going to be.
I think she worked until 6 and called him at that time to let him know she was on her way. But she was unable to reach him. When she arrived home at 7 he wasn't home and his truck, keys, wallet, phone were in the house.

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[debbiegarcia36]

Also the only timeline we can rely on is what we hear Linda say. She said she called him at 6 not 5. I think the 5pm time was first stated to the news media by Virginia Peck. It grew legs from there.

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[Razz]

We dont know she was 3 hours late. We do know that at 4 they spoke and he asked her if she was going to be a little late and she said yes. He said Ill be here. Say she normally gets off work at 5. Her commute time from Universal City would be an hour.That would normally get her home at 6. He probably was in the habit at starting dinner at 4 or 5 so it would be ready by the time she got home. He most likely knew that the chicken would keep warm in the oven as he wasnt sure how late she was going to be.
I think she worked until 6 and called him at that time to let him know she was on her way. But she was unable to reach him. When she arrived home at 7 he wasn't home and his truck, keys, wallet, phone were in the house.

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What does Linda do in Universal City?

Also, why start dinner at 4:00
(when we don't know for sure that she gets off at 5:00 which would mean her arrival time at home would have been 6:00?) Regardless, he started dinner 2 hours before her arrival unless she works til 4 and normally gets home at 5:00.

I don't know why I'm making such a big deal of this. I guess I feel bad for WC that he was making a nice dinner for the 2 of them only to have it sit for 2 hours and in the meantime he disappears. It sounded like he had just "discovered" cooking after LC
said in the PC that he "likes
to cook now."



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[liz b.]

WC is listed on the California DOJ website as missing due to "Unknown Circumstances"... not "Missing Endangered " This in spite of someone finding blood stains. Originally, the bloodstains were supposed to have been found in the kitchen. LE has never searched anywhere other than the house ?

 

[liz b.]

What does Linda do in Universal City?

Also, why start dinner at 4:00
(when we don't know for sure that she gets off at 5:00 which would mean her arrival time at home would have been 6:00?) Regardless, he started dinner 2 hours before her arrival unless she works til 4 and normally gets home at 5:00.

I don't know why I'm making such a big deal of this. I guess I feel bad for WC that he was making a nice dinner for the 2 of them only to have it sit for 2 hours and in the meantime he disappears. It sounded like he had just "discovered" cooking after LC
said in the PC that he "likes
to cook now."



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I think many of us wondered about that starting dinner around 4pm thing...but, what if WC had cooked dinner early deliberately, so that he could go out for a couple of hours ? Did LC tell him she was going to be home about 2 hours later than usual when she called at 4pm ?

 

[Razz]

WC is listed on the California DOJ website as missing due to "Unknown Circumstances"... not "Missing Endangered " This in spite of someone finding blood stains. Originally, the bloodstains were supposed to have been found in the kitchen. LE has never searched anywhere other than the house ?

The detective in the PC never said where the blood was found. I think the "finding it in the kitchen" was another thing that grew some legs.
Also, at the time of the PC they did not know whose blood it was.

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[Claudius]

It's possible that L is not a fan of the nephew, and that's why WC didn't tell her they were watching golf together. GigTu mentioned the reason nephew was fired, and if that's true, evidently he has a violent temper. I now believe that WC was expecting him over that day, something violent went down, and the visitor cleaned up & removed the evidence in his SUV. I was thinking differently before, but if he was not expected over that day, and nobody knew he was going there, why would he remove the body (sorry)? Maybe I'm naive. It seems risky to remove a body and have all that evidence in your car... but if he were ashamed and didn't want family to hurt, knowing their loved one was deceased, he could have thought he was doing them a favor.

Sorry, just thinking out loud....

I do not believe LE is working on this case. Unless they actually did confiscate that vehicle and are currently testing evidence, while keeping us in the dark (I hope, I hope!). Also, if they are working this case, I hope they are checking the visitor's pings/location. I'm assuming this wasn't planned and he had his cell phone on him. If these things aren't being done, then I'm furious for L.