CA CA - William Cierzan, 58, Santa Clarita Valley, 26 Jan 2017 #2

[Dushi]

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Things that stood out: Anything in () is further information or my opinion.
A reporter is questioning Det. Ralph Hernandez (one of the lead detectives) about the nephew.
Reporter: Was WC still at the house when he (nephew) left?
Det. Hernandez: pauses for a long time before answering yes.


Why the hesitation?

 

[debbiegarcia36]

But does he have to?

I dont think so. If he did that would be "cooperating". During the PC, LE did not say that he was "cooperating" but that "he provided a statement".

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[debbiegarcia36]

Something makes we wonder...just a thought. Could the nephew have been there earlier at one point, say after Will talked to Linda. Possibly parked somewhere by that back wall hopped the wall, did something to Will, left over the back wall and pull around to the front when we see the suv back in.

Cant park anywhere near the back wall. A fenced in plot of vacant land is behind their backyard which abuts abusy street with no parking allowed.

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[debbiegarcia36]

Yea I wonder too if he was ever there until the suv shows up at 5. But in 6 min I dont get what the motivation was, unless something had happened previously and this was revenge or if it was planned for some other reason.

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I believe at the PC LE does confirm that a "family member" was at the home earlier that afternoon. Its really mind boggling to put the pieces together in how it all occurred.

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[Dushi]

I believe at the PC LE does confirm that a "family member" was at the home earlier that afternoon. Its really mind boggling to put the pieces together in how it all occurred.

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Yes, they did confirm that
But would they just be taking somebody's word for that or would that person be asked to prove it?

 

[GigTu]

In earlier conversations, it was speculated that perhaps the nephew was present at 4:00 pm when the phone conversation took place between Will and Linda. If so, he would have gleaned that golf was viewed on TV that day and known to state that is why he had been there.

The only real reason the nephew is even being considered as someone to talk about is because the SUV parked rear end first in the driveway and left 6 minutes later. From then, WC is missing.

It is entirely possible that someone else was driving. But that person would have to have white person arms and fluffy hair at the time, because those are two features I can distinctly detect in the video.

 

[GigTu]

I'm now going to make you have more questions. Sorry.

When looking at the video of the SUV, the sidewalk in front of the house is shown. If someone walked from the left side neighboring house to WC's house, I think they would be seen on video. Even if they walked up along the grass and out of the view of the camera's angle that shows the sidewalk, it seems like they would have to pass the neighbors lot at some point and it would show up in the distance. Can anyone else verify that?

When LE says no one came to the house, I think this is what they might be referring to. They might be indicating that no one was seen walking on the sidewalk, or past that left side neighbor's house to WC's house. Therefore, I do not believe the SUV was already parked down the street, at least not on that side of the house.

That doesn't mean, however, that someone couldn't have come in from the other side.

We've heard LC mention that she thought the nephew and WC got along. I'd like to think so. I wonder if everyone who has access to that SUV all got along with WC, or if someone was harboring anger/issues that we can't possibly know about. I hope LC and all of WC's family are thinking about the many possibilities.

There was blood. I can't let that go. I just can't.

 

[liz b.]

I don't doubt for a moment that he left in that SUV. For me, the question is was he dead or alive when he left in that vehicle?

Were WC's glasses ever located ? tia to anyone who might know. I think he was alive when he left the house, but jmo

 

[GigTu]

I don't think we know about the glasses. I've been watching and reading and haven't seen anything on it. It's just a question mark.

I agree that he was alive when he left in the SUV. I think though, he was probably injured.

 

[Dushi]

I'm now going to make you have more questions. Sorry.

When looking at the video of the SUV, the sidewalk in front of the house is shown. If someone walked from the left side neighboring house to WC's house, I think they would be seen on video. Even if they walked up along the grass and out of the view of the camera's angle that shows the sidewalk, it seems like they would have to pass the neighbors lot at some point and it would show up in the distance. Can anyone else verify that?

When LE says no one came to the house, I think this is what they might be referring to. They might be indicating that no one was seen walking on the sidewalk, or past that left side neighbor's house to WC's house. Therefore, I do not believe the SUV was already parked down the street, at least not on that side of the house.

That doesn't mean, however, that someone couldn't have come in from the other side.

We've heard LC mention that she thought the nephew and WC got along. I'd like to think so. I wonder if everyone who has access to that SUV all got along with WC, or if someone was harboring anger/issues that we can't possibly know about. I hope LC and all of WC's family are thinking about the many possibilities.

There was blood. I can't let that go. I just can't.

I agree with that observation

And I also agree that LE was referring to the front area of the house , the sidewalk. That seems to be the only thing visible on the video
And i understand that if someone parked down the street, they would be seen walking up.
If someone didn't want to be seen, they could have parked anywhere and walked, jumped the fence etc (JMO) Three blocks away

I guess the thing about the family member goes to the SUV, it seems like too big of a coincidence that a vehicle so similar would be there
And it seems the neighbor recognized it. Doesn't tell us who was driving

The blood is the scary part.

 

[LietKynes]

Sorry to be so graphic.....

But if there was blood -- like, how much ?
That is something that isn't being released, for whatever reason. Makes me think it was a considerable amount and that LE is building their case.

So, does strangulation cause any blood ?
Stabbing would cause a large amount if an artery was sliced.
Shooting would make a spatter but wouldn't there be bullet holes ?
Except sometimes bullets stay lodged within a body.

My .02 is that this wasn't a 'professional' hit -- if Will is dead. So that means there's evidence of some injury at least.
Hoping that if he's been harmed that a lot of evidence was left.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

Yes, they did confirm that
But would they just be taking somebody's word for that or would that person be asked to prove it?

It seems nephew told his aunt, AP, that he was there at 1:30 watching golf. Nephew most likely admitted the same to LE when he provided his "statement" .

Snipped from xmsmadex's time line

Things that stood out: Anything in () is further information or my opinion.
A reporter is questioning Det. Ralph Hernandez (one of the lead detectives) about the nephew.
Reporter: Was WC still at the house when he (nephew) left?
Det. Hernandez: pauses for a long time before answering yes.


Why the hesitation?

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[Dushi]

The only question I have about the blood, Will and the SUV, is if Will was bleeding when he got or was put in the SUV, wouldn't that be relatively easy to find?

 

[debbiegarcia36]

In earlier conversations, it was speculated that perhaps the nephew was present at 4:00 pm when the phone conversation took place between Will and Linda. If so, he would have gleaned that golf was viewed on TV that day and known to state that is why he had been there.

The only real reason the nephew is even being considered as someone to talk about is because the SUV parked rear end first in the driveway and left 6 minutes later. From then, WC is missing.

It is entirely possible that someone else was driving. But that person would have to have white person arms and fluffy hair at the time, because those are two features I can distinctly detect in the video.

Two reasons to include nephew as a person of interest 1) as you said, a vehicle very similar to nephews backing up in the driveway at 5:06 and staying for just 6 minutes and 2) Nephew was last know person to see WC.

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[xmsmadex]

It seems nephew told his aunt, AP, that he was there at 1:30 watching golf. Nephew most likely admitted the same to LE when he provided his "statement" .



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He may deciding whether to answer or not. He may have been unsure during that pause.

I am a firm believer that body language, facial expressions all of that is so telling beyond what a person says. That's why when they ask about the nephew cooperating and Linda shakes her head, I knew immediately she susoected something. I think the nephew told them he was there watching golf and left at 4. When asked about the suv he denied it being his thats why LE hasnt simply explained it away saying it was just the nephew who had forgotten something or something along those lines.

And without any other evidence especially without a body they are kind of stuck. I have a feeling they havent even been able to check nephews truck because they dont have difinitive proof it was his. imo


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[debbiegarcia36]

He may deciding whether to answer or not. He may have been unsure during that pause.

I am a firm believer that body language, facial expressions all of that is so telling beyond what a person says. That's why when they ask about the nephew cooperating and Linda shakes her head, I knew immediately she susoected something. I think the nephew told them he was there watching golf and left at 4. When asked about the suv he denied it being his thats why LE hasnt simply explained it away saying it was just the nephew who had forgotten something or something along those lines.

And without any other evidence especially without a body they are kind of stuck. I have a feeling they havent even been able to check nephews truck because they dont have difinitive proof it was his. imo


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They could have gotten a warrant to impound and search nephews vehicle just because he was last known person to see Will alive.

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[LietKynes]

This is such a frustrating case !

I feel badly for Will's wife. She seemed to be so lost without him.

So the only reason we "know" who was at Will's house that day was someone's 'say so'.
No proof of who was there, besides Will himself.

I'd like to know where the phone's pinged.
Just because that's better evidence than someone's 'word'.

Very few people today go here or there without their phone.
And practically everyone texts someone during the day.

I wish they'd used sar dogs immediately. Valuable time was lost, and time is/was precious.

 

[debbiegarcia36]

The only question I have about the blood, Will and the SUV, is if Will was bleeding when he got or was put in the SUV, wouldn't that be relatively easy to find?

I believe it was a small amount based on the fact that Linda didnt see it at first. It could have been blood that was cleaned up but trace amounts were left. Its hard to say. One thing though ive learned from reading about profiling is that a stranger that kills doesnt usually hide the body. But if the killer knows or has some kind of relationship with the victim, the body is usually hid.

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[LietKynes]

I believe it was a small amount based on the fact that Linda didnt see it at first. It could have been blood that was cleaned up but trace amounts were left. Its hard to say. One thing though ive learned from reading about profiling is that a stranger that kills doesnt usually hide the body. But if the killer knows or has some kind of relationship with the victim, the body is usually hid.

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RSBM

Agreed. I'm not getting the vibe that a total stranger just happened to come into Will's home and decided to harm him.
Just my opinion -- this seemed personal.

 

[SmartSassyBBW]

IMHO Yes. I think that is very possible

As I have reported several times before. There is a wall surrounding Will's backyard. Neighbors are on 2 sides and the back wall of his property backs up to a commercial lot that faces Bouquet Cyn Rd, a very busy 4 lane road. It used to be home to a gas station but it has been torn down and the lot is empty and surrounded by a 6 ft tall chain link fence. It would not be easy to get out of Will's backyard unseen.


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