Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom

[Detective Klimpt]

I haven't seen anyone come up with a theory that involves the actual calls (where DB is the one making the calls) where it actually makes sense. The vm attempts are even more bizarre, since if it was her phones, she would know if she had a vm or not (by a visual indicator) so it doesn't make sense that she would still check for vm's (twice at that).

Correct. Since the cell phones show no other activity, how did DB manage to contact someone to get help disposing of a body? She had to either do it all by herself or someone was already close enough that she didn't need to call them. That doesn't sound reasonable to me. Therefore, until I get some sensible answers to those questions, I remain on the fence. However, I will admit that the intruder theory is even more bizarre.

I have to wonder if LE were to arrest DB right now based on the evidence they have which we know about, would a jury convict her based on circumstantial evidence? Based on what I read from people on the net, I'm afraid they would. Could DB ever get an impartial jury? That is very scary to me.

 

[Oriah]

I have been somewhat torn by all of the circumstances surrounding this crime.
It crossed my mind a little bit ago, that these situations are not mutually exclusive- the HRD alert(s), and a kidnapping.

 

[cityslick]

Correct. Since the cell phones show no other activity, how did DB manage to contact someone to get help disposing of a body? She had to either do it all by herself or someone was already close enough that she didn't need to call them. That doesn't sound reasonable to me. Therefore, until I get some sensible answers to those questions, I remain on the fence. However, I will admit that the intruder theory is even more bizarre.

I have to wonder if LE were to arrest DB right now based on the evidence they have which we know about, would a jury convict her based on circumstantial evidence? Based on what I read from people on the net, I'm afraid they would. Could DB ever get an impartial jury? That is very scary to me.

I don't see how they can arrest anyone with how much we know. If they do, they have a ton more. The spokesperson for the DA may have spoke out of turn when he said it'll be awhile before any charges are brought, but I believe there is some truth to that if there is as little evidence as we think there is.

 

[yllek]

I have been somewhat torn by all of the circumstances surrounding this crime.
It crossed my mind a little bit ago, that these situations are not mutually exclusive- the HRD alert(s), and a kidnapping.

Me too. I trust well-trained dogs and their handlers to perform their duties and have the utmost respect for both. In this matter, we don't many details about the hit. We only know that an HRD dog hit near the floor in the parents' bedroom and that was one factor used to justify further search/investigation in the home.

LE isn't publicly claiming anything more or less about the hit. They tried to suppress the affidavit. Imo, they are investigating to find the truth, not to try and crucify anyone. The HRD hit at the home of a reportedly abducted child was one factor used to justify further investigation/searching of the home. Makes sense.

So, imo, this HRD hit could mean everything, and we just don't know it. Or, it could mean little depending on the results of LE's investigation of the original hit. Remains to be seen.

JMO...

 

[natsound]

Ok then, why did DB call MW's number? Why was she checking her email and internet at 3:15am? What on earth could someone that just killed a baby and disposed of the body want to see on the internet at 3:15am? Why did she even feel a need to dispose of the cell phones, because LE is/was obviously able to tell the activity on the phones. If she wasn't smart enough to know that, then she wasn't smart enough to remove the battery or put them in water so they would no longer ping after 3am.

I have been seriously wracking my brain on this case. I'm obsessed with it; specifically the part about the cell phones. I've already stated my theory back in middle of Nov. (on the theory thread) and it hasn't changed much at all. I still think those cells phone calls were made by Jersey. I really wish we could know if Jersey was completely cleared of anything involved in this case, or that anyone was completely cleared (rather than LE is moving on, whatever that means.)

Sorry, this really belongs in the cell phone thread or maybe even the theory thread, but the topics on this case are starting to get a bit inter-twined within threads.

Someone else suggested this to me recently. Either:

1. DB panicked and tried to call Jersey at 11:57. Call didn't go through, or he didn't answer Dane did, and she hung up and took matters into her own hands. VM checks were to see if JI had called. Or...

2. DB was successful in reaching Jersey, he helped her dispose of the body. the VM checks were to see if the coast was clear.

I'm leaning toward scenario number one... but again this is with the limited information we have.

 

[natsound]

I still don't think FBI would be following up tips for an alive BL halfway across the country if this was the case. IMO

IMO, they have to do that. Especially since they don't have a body. To me, that's not curious at all. That's procedural.

 

[Sparklin]

This! ^^^^
Very early on, one of our awesome sleuths, (I can't remember which one and can't find the original post!) noticed from poring over pictures that the bird feeder was there, then disappeared, and then reappeared. I think the phones were in the feeder. I also think that's what the spokesman meant when he said something like they were looking at something that hadn't been there, but had returned.

That is interesting...is there anywhere I can see those pictures?? TIA

 

[cityslick]

Someone else suggested this to me recently. Either:

1. DB panicked and tried to call Jersey at 11:57. Call didn't go through, or he didn't answer Dane did, and she hung up and took matters into her own hands. VM checks were to see if JI had called. Or...

2. DB was successful in reaching Jersey, he helped her dispose of the body. the VM checks were to see if the coast was clear.

I'm leaning toward scenario number one... but again this is with the limited information we have.

Neither scenario explains the internet access on the phone either though. Also, if the call was made from only one phone, why try to hide all three? Why not just try to hide the one phone you made the call from.

Also, why does it have to be Jersey that was the intended call? We haven't seen anything that links MW or any of the other cast of characters to DB.

 

[natsound]

Neither scenario explains the internet access on the phone either though. Also, if the call was made from only one phone, why try to hide all three? Why not just try to hide the one phone you made the call from.

Also, why does it have to be Jersey that was the intended call? We haven't seen anything that links MW or any of the other cast of characters to DB.

Who knows what was on those phones? Texts they didn't want LE to see? IMO, it's very suspicious that an "intruder" would feel the need to take three phones, phones that were not in the room where Lisa was.

Jersey is my moving target of the intended call because he used to date the owner of the phone and he used to live across the street from DB and JI. Also, because there's some odd activity going on with the status of his case, as Dr. Know has shown us in the recent past. And, because LE did feel the need to show his picture around the neighborhood at one time, IIRC.

Again, this is off of what we know. Who knows, another mystery man named "Blaine" or "Wayne" may make a cameo in this circus. The "flop" house had numerous people living in it, and we haven't heard from all of them.

 

[Donjeta]

I haven't seen anyone come up with a theory that involves the actual calls (where DB is the one making the calls) where it actually makes sense. The vm attempts are even more bizarre, since if it was her phones, she would know if she had a vm or not (by a visual indicator) so it doesn't make sense that she would still check for vm's (twice at that).

Wouldn't the intruder know as well?

He'd see the lack of the visual indicator for a received VM just as easily as DB.

 

[Nixie]

Neither scenario explains the internet access on the phone either though. Also, if the call was made from only one phone, why try to hide all three? Why not just try to hide the one phone you made the call from.

Also, why does it have to be Jersey that was the intended call? We haven't seen anything that links MW or any of the other cast of characters to DB.

That is one thing that has always confused me, why would she call that number to get in touch with Jersey? Him and MW broke up before this happened and he was in the neighborhood that day. If they were close enough friends for her to call him to hid a body wouldn't she know not to call that number to get in touch with him? I have seen no connection to anyone in the house that would make me think DB would call them in this kind of situation. You don't just start calling around to have someone dump a body for you.......

 

[Donjeta]

It all depends how much access the parents had in those 72 hours. Also, I'm curious to know when exactly the pings stopped on the ping map. Was it when the last vm attempt was made? And would DB have known how to make the phones stop pinging after that (I ask this because it seems many people even on here did not know this info)?

Don't they stop pinging on their own when the battery runs dead?

 

[cityslick]

Wouldn't the intruder know as well?

He'd see the lack of the visual indicator for a received VM just as easily as DB.

If he/she wasn't familiar with the phone, maybe not. I don't really know, I think the vm attempts are bizarre no matter who had the phone.

Some phones you can hold down the 1 key to access vm.

 

[cityslick]

Don't they stop pinging on their own when the battery runs dead?

That's what I thought, unless you take the battery out. But I didn't even know that (and I consider myself somewhat tech savvy) until I read it here.

 

[In da Middle]

This! ^^^^
Very early on, one of our awesome sleuths, (I can't remember which one and can't find the original post!) noticed from poring over pictures that the bird feeder was there, then disappeared, and then reappeared. I think the phones were in the feeder. I also think that's what the spokesman meant when he said something like they were looking at something that hadn't been there, but had returned.

The only pictures I recall people not seeing the bird feeder was in a pic that the media published that was found out to be an old real estate pic. Not even current. It showed the house in the summertime with all greenery in full and not in early fall when the greenery was starting to die back.

 

[krimekat]

The only pictures I recall people not seeing the bird feeder was in a pic that the media published that was found out to be an old real estate pic. Not even current. It showed the house in the summertime with all greenery in full and not in early fall when the greenery was starting to die back.

This is what I recall as well, In da Middle. Thanks for still being a local on the ground for WS.

Also, the only indication that cadaver dogs hit on "decomp" was the initial search (that JI consented to), right?
And, that's what prompted the more thorough search (as per the Search Warrant), right?
And, apparently there was only one hit, right?

Just trying to establish fact from fiction without re-reading through these posts. Thought it was clear to me last week but re-reading, I am not so sure :crazy:

Thanks!

 

[Rooster27]

Neither scenario explains the internet access on the phone either though. Also, if the call was made from only one phone, why try to hide all three? Why not just try to hide the one phone you made the call from.

Also, why does it have to be Jersey that was the intended call? We haven't seen anything that links MW or any of the other cast of characters to DB.

if you are making up a story, about a phone being stolen, it doesn't really make sense to say only one phone was stolen. If the "alleged" kidnapper wanted a phone, or wanted to put an obstacle in the way of the parents making a call, why wouldn't he take all three? According to DB's statements, they were all together on the counter. JMO

 

[Donjeta]

If he/she wasn't familiar with the phone, maybe not. I don't really know, I think the vm attempts are bizarre no matter who had the phone.

Some phones you can hold down the 1 key to access vm.

Yes, I have a hard time with that too. Since the intruder was not able to make outgoing calls with the phone and let anyone know the number, why did he call the voicemail? He can't have been expecting to get one. Unless he called someone with his own working phone and told them to call DB's phone instead of his own. But why? He knew it was restricted from trying to make an outgoing call to MW. How did he get DB's number?

 

[Donjeta]

if you are making up a story, about a phone being stolen, it doesn't really make sense to say only one phone was stolen. If the "alleged" kidnapper wanted a phone, or wanted to put an obstacle in the way of the parents making a call, why wouldn't he take all three? According to DB's statements, they were all together on the counter. JMO

JMO if DB wanted to get rid of one phone only she was not obliged to say that all the phones were together on the counter, she could just as easily have said that one phone was on the kitchen table and another in a drawer and the third in a pocket, so the kidnapper could have just seen the one on the table and snatched it.

 

[Little Ol Me]

JMO, I believe that whoever made the 11:57 call to MW's phone, did it as a deflection. Possibly to implicate Jersey. I believe that if Lisa was abducted it was by someone close, ...either knowing them, or was watching them.