Cadaver dog hit on scent in DBs bedroom

[Oriah]

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we know that the stray cat was supposedly in the bedroom that night, the hit was in the bedroom in around the same place is it possible that stray had been in trash heap ..garbage dump ..something that could have been on that cats fur that would transferr the scent on that rug ..thus making the dogs hit there ...just a crazy theory and i have no idea if this is even a possiblity ..but it seems connnected to me..

Again, we have been over this a bunch.

If the cat came into physical contact with human decomposition, then deposited it elsewhere such as in the bedroom- then yes it is possible.

Frankly, I think highly unlikely.

 

[NotSoSherlock]

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we know that the stray cat was supposedly in the bedroom that night, the hit was in the bedroom in around the same place is it possible that stray had been in trash heap ..garbage dump ..something that could have been on that cats fur that would transferr the scent on that rug ..thus making the dogs hit there ...just a crazy theory and i have no idea if this is even a possiblity ..but it seems connnected to me..

The cat may have done what cats frequently do--throw up on the carpet. :sick:

Being a stray, if he/she did throw up then it may very well have thrown up the remains of a mouse. I don't know if a cadaver dog would hit on that or not, however.

 

[curvecuti]

The cat may have done what cats frequently do--throw up on the carpet. :sick:

Being a stray, if he/she did throw up then it may very well have thrown up the remains of a mouse. I don't know if a cadaver dog would hit on that or not, however.

I doubt they would since a mouse is not a human. There is a great thread on the dogs and what they are trained to do here on WS.

 

[Oriah]

The cat may have done what cats frequently do--throw up on the carpet. :sick:

Being a stray, if he/she did throw up then it may very well have thrown up the remains of a mouse. I don't know if a cadaver dog would hit on that or not, however.

No.
An HRD dog is a human remains detection dog. Not mouse remains, not pig remains, not ham sandwich remains, not potato chip remains, not baby poop remains.

Human remains.

(Oriah goes off to :banghead: )

 

[cindysue]

Well i pretty much knew that the HRD were only trained for dead bodies..but im saying what if a HRD found a really interesting smell at the foot of the bed that wasnt human remains ..if that trained dog stayed there a sec longer than they are supposed to ..it could be interupted to be a hit ...dogs and trainers are human and they were really thinking that there was something to find in the house ...a second dog would have confirmed or dismissed it..dont they usuallly have a second dog come in to confirm ..im going by what ive read so im not sure ..thats just what i see as a possiblity .

 

[Oriah]

Well i pretty much knew that the HRD were only trained for dead bodies..but im saying what if a HRD found a really interesting smell at the foot of the bed that wasnt human remains ..if that trained dog stayed there a sec longer than they are supposed to ..it could be interupted to be a hit ...dogs and trainers are human and they were really thinking that there was something to find in the house ...a second dog would have confirmed or dismissed it..dont they usuallly have a second dog come in to confirm ..im going by what ive read so im not sure ..thats just what i see as a possiblity .

When a properly trained HRD dog is 'put to work' (meaning whatever method a handler uses to tell the dog to distinguish between 'regular dog time' and 'working dog time') it should do it's job until released by the handler from that job. If it alerts properly, it should hold the alert until the handler releases it from the alert. Releasing from an alert is not the same as releasing from 'work.'

If an HRD dog is brought in to search a residence, imo, they should not be released from 'work' until they are clear of the residence. So they are not holding an alert and just sniffing randomly at the same time... that would be a poorly trained dog.

When they are clear of the residence and released from 'work' then sure, they might be sniffing everything from the ham sandwich to the baby poop. Just like a regular dog would do.

Am I making any sense here?

 

[In da Middle]

Oh, but I love the Oriah analogies. Will this one include tuna, nuggets or Walmart? Oooh, maybe all 3! :great: Oh, it's gonna be a long week. Luv ya!

I love the Oriah analogies, too! They just make sense in such a lovely warped way!

 

[GoodGurl]

When a properly trained HRD dog is 'put to work' (meaning whatever method a handler uses to tell the dog to distinguish between 'regular dog time' and 'working dog time') it should do it's job until released by the handler from that job. If it alerts properly, it should hold the alert until the handler releases it from the alert. Releasing from an alert is not the same as releasing from 'work.'

If an HRD dog is brought in to search a residence, imo, they should not be released from 'work' until they are clear of the residence. So they are not holding an alert and just sniffing randomly at the same time... that would be a poorly trained dog.

When they are clear of the residence and released from 'work' then sure, they might be sniffing everything from the ham sandwich to the baby poop. Just like a regular dog would do.

Am I making any sense here?

Totally makes sense. Question - do they generally video tape these sessions for later use in a trial? In todays world, seems everybody wants video evidence these days.

 

[In da Middle]

Yes- thanks Darcyline. That's what I gathered as well- and wanted to point out that anyone making those types of claims probably has no experience with working dogs. But considering there are some out there who make outlandish claims- well, let's just say I was on high alert.

So sad to me- and completely inaccurate (and disrespectful of) so many working dog 'detectives' and their handlers.

From watching these dogs and handlers that I personally witnessed, I can conclude that they were having a good time working and no distress nor mishandling noted. If I didn't know they were search dogs, I could have easily thought they were just dogs and their owners out enjoying a nice day.

 

[Oriah]

Totally makes sense. Question - do they generally video tape these sessions for later use in a trial? In todays world, seems everybody wants video evidence these days.

It's very common to videotape working dogs both in training (to establish the clarity of training and alerts) as well as in certain situations such as HRD dogs, and the utilization of secondary 'back up' dogs.

I would be very surprised if these particular dog(s) were not videotaped. As a handler, I'd be requesting it.

 

[Oriah]

I love the Oriah analogies, too! They just make sense in such a lovely warped way!

Thanks!

(I....think? LOL!)

 

[sarx]

Hey, don't knock HSDD (ham sandwich detection dogs), I just successfully trained one of the pups to trail swiss cheese (long story), so now, if I ever lose my cheese I can bring her in, very handy!

 

[scmom]

Hey, don't knock HSDD (ham sandwich detection dogs), I just successfully trained one of the pups to trail swiss cheese (long story), so now, if I ever lose my cheese I can bring her in, very handy!

So, if your cheese slides off the cracker the dog can find it? Just joking. :crazy:

 

[Oriah]

Hey, don't knock HSDD (ham sandwich detection dogs), I just successfully trained one of the pups to trail swiss cheese (long story), so now, if I ever lose my cheese I can bring her in, very handy!

sarx, I gotta ask.... has she mastered the 10-up/10-down cheese alert yet? I hear those dogs are in huge demand, but only if they don't tear down tree branches in the process. :floorlaugh:

In all seriousness- what do you think about bringing out an air scent HRD and having them work from shore 3.5-4 miles or so (as the current runs) downstream? Take a look at that spot for me? TIA.

 

[Oriah]

So, if your cheese slides off the cracker the dog can find it? Just joking. :crazy:

It's even better! If sarx goes missing WITH her cheese, her pup can trail her!

(sarx, for your own safety- I suggest you never leave home without your swiss from now on.)

 

[sarx]

sarx, I gotta ask.... has she mastered the 10-up/10-down cheese alert yet? I hear those dogs are in huge demand, but only if they don't tear down tree branches in the process. :floorlaugh:

In all seriousness- what do you think about bringing out an air scent HRD and having them work from shore 3.5-4 miles or so (as the current runs) downstream? Take a look at that spot for me? TIA.

No, she has a very nice and calm alert... lol. So far we have only gotten to 3 up and no down.

I think running the shore would be a great idea, a big undertaking and I think we should probably start a separate thread and start working the maps for currents/curves and hang ups and start with those spots. Thoughts?

 

[Oriah]

Actually I should have said 3.7- 4.1 miles more precisely. Sorry.

 

[Oriah]

No, she has a very nice and calm alert... lol. So far we have only gotten to 3 up and no down.

I think running the shore would be a great idea, a big undertaking and I think we should probably start a separate thread and start working the maps for currents/curves and hang ups and start with those spots. Thoughts?

I agree. (Sorry, mods)

Not sure how we could clutter up this thread any further, but I'm sure it's possible.
Off I go to a mapping thread...

 

[sarx]

I agree. (Sorry, mods)

Not sure how we could clutter up this thread any further, but I'm sure it's possible.
Off I go to a mapping thread...

Ok, will wait for you to start one then come over. I think we should do like I did with the HD case and grid it out for people to take and break down farther. Gotta run to the vet, but can work on it later.

 

[Oriah]

Ok, will wait for you to start one then come over. I think we should do like I did with the HD case and grid it out for people to take and break down farther. Gotta run to the vet, but can work on it later.

Here ya go sarx:
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154967"]SAR mapping/satellite of the river - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Come on over when you have the chance.