Camel Blue cigarette butts found at both crime scenes

[Jgill]

When Amy, Jon Benet's dance classmate was assaulted by an intruder, Amy's mom said he reeked of cigarettes. Camel "blue" cigarette butts were found near the home. In the alley behind the Ramsey home, the same brand cigarette butts were found. Hence, IDI. The Ramsey intruder wore gloves, brought a pre-written ransom note and transcribed it onto Patsy's notepad, and faked a rough draft to make it appear it was freestyled, because it was part of the framing of the Ramseys. You RDI people fell for it.

 

[CloudedTruth]

When Amy, Jon Benet's dance classmate was assaulted by an intruder, Amy's mom said he reeked of cigarettes. Camel "blue" cigarette butts were found near the home. In the alley behind the Ramsey home, the same brand cigarette butts were found. Hence, IDI. The Ramsey intruder wore gloves, brought a pre-written ransom note and transcribed it onto Patsy's notepad, and faked a rough draft to make it appear it was freestyled, because it was part of the framing of the Ramseys. You RDI people fell for it.

Here's some interesting information about this.

The incident with "Amy" occurred approximately 9 months after JB was murdered. Both the mother and "Amy" saw this person, and yet a composite sketch was never done. Why? As the investigation by police went on, the father of "Amy" became very uncomfortable about police interviewing friends and acquaintances of his daughter. According to Det. Linda Arndt's report, Amy's dad did not want the investigation to continue if it was going to reveal a sexual assault aspect. As a result he shut it down and told police to stop investigating. Later, he complained that BPD didn't do anything.

So he hired a PI instead. It was the PI who found the cigarettes butts not the police while they were investigating, and we do not have a timeline of when those were found, but we do know that it was sometime AFTER the police investigation. Weeks? Months? The PI also found that the mother knew the guy, and was consistently letting him in the house while her husband was out of town. There is no credible information that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the cigarette butts were related to the incident. And knowing that the mother knew the guy and was letting him in the house, there was no reason for him to be "stalking". He had free access.

The cigarette butts found near the Ramsey home were not on their property. The alleyway behind the Ramsey home was about 2 blocks in length, so shared by approximately 20 homes all of which had their garages in the back like the Ramseys was. This was also the area where the trash pick-ups occurred. The brand of cigarettes formerly known as Camel lights was a popular brand among smokers. An alley where the trash cans are kept would be a very common place to smoke....the husband whose wife makes him go outside to have a cigarette. My best friend to this day makes her husband smoke outside. He has a spot in their neighborhood where he consistently goes to smoke.

IMO opinion it's a bit of a reach to conclude IDI based on cigarette butts. If this guy was so clever to not leave any other traces of himself behind, one would think he'd know not to be so careless and leave cigarette butts too.

 

[Jgill]

I don't think the Ramsey's wrote the ransom note or killed their daughter. Thank you for providing facts regarding the cigarette butts and the apparent fact that it was not the same brand of cigarettes-I had been informed they were the same brand found behind the Ramsey home. But since they aren't I guess that would make it a stretch. Since seven windows and a door was not locked at the crime scene the stretch becomes less severe. Also a house key was missing from underneath a statue outside, and many other people had house keys.

 

[Jgill]

Joseph James DeAngelo was a cop while breaking into homes undetected, and John Ramsey wasn't the only fat cat around. That could explain where the maglight came from. But no, I don't think a murderous cop breaking in would absentmindedly leave that behind.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I don't think the Ramsey's wrote the ransom note or killed their daughter. Thank you for providing facts regarding the cigarette butts and the apparent fact that it was not the same brand of cigarettes-I had been informed they were the same brand found behind the Ramsey home. But since they aren't I guess that would make it a stretch. Since seven windows and a door was not locked at the crime scene the stretch becomes less severe. Also a house key was missing from underneath a statue outside, and many other people had house keys.

The cigarette butts were the same brand......Camel Blue were formerly called Camel Lights, sorry if that was confusing. I still don't think that's a "smoking gun" though. Police did not find the butts outside of "Amy's" house when they were investigating right after the incident was reported, they were found at a different and later time by the PI her father hired, so could've been left by anyone at anytime and not necessarily related to the incident. It was a very common brand popular with smokers.

Not sure where your other information comes from. I have seen some people repeat the 7 windows / door claim before, police found everything to be locked that morning, which JR also confirmed more than once. I have never heard about a key underneath a statue before, if there was why would JR have to keep breaking in to his own house when he forgot his keys? Do you have a source for that please?

 

[CloudedTruth]

Joseph James DeAngelo was a cop while breaking into homes undetected, and John Ramsey wasn't the only fat cat around. That could explain where the maglight came from. But no, I don't think a murderous cop breaking in would absentmindedly leave that behind.

The Maglite belonged to the Ramseys. JR finally admitted that after both PR and JAR confirmed it.

 

[Jgill]

The windows and the door being unsecured was explained by Vuldar on YouTube, titled Jon Benet Ramsey and another was a John Ramsey interview with Paula Woodward in a YouTube video by Cottonstar titled: Dispelling the Myths. I have to find the vid about the missing house key underneath the statue I will post here once I find it again.