CANADA - 3 dead including gunman, 12 injured in Greektown shooting, Toronto, July 2018

[KaaBoom]

The gun used in the deadly shooting was stolen in a break-and-enter in Saskatoon a few years ago, a police source told CTV News Toronto.

Self-inflicted gunshot wound killed suspected Danforth shooter: source
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Court transcripts state 33-year-old Maisum Ansari — who grew up in the same neighbourhood as Fahad Hussain, the brother of Greektown gunman Faisal Hussain — was charged last Sept. of possessing 53 kilograms of carfentanil, an analog of fentanyl and 100 times stronger than the painkiller and notoriously deadly street narcotic.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/toront...-possessing-historic-drug-firearm-arsenal/amp

“Ansari, Fahad and Faisal were all friends growing up in the same neighbourhood,” a source told the Sun. “Fahad decided to go out west, was arrested and then his friend Ansari came to his aid as his surety.”

Fahad has been in a persistent vegetative state in hospital with little brain activity after overdosing on a mixture of cocaine and heroin last summer, sources told the Sun.

Terrible reporting. So the gun was stolen in a burglary in Saskatoon after it was illegally imported from the US?

 

[CARIIS]

CTV is reporting that the brother, now in a coma, had a lot of ammo etc in the apartment. He had been criminally charged last year.

The austin bomber did also

 

[Elley Mae]

Terrible reporting. So the gun was stolen in a burglary in Saskatoon after it was illegally imported from the US?

Link to the gun being illegally imported before stolen.?


If I had a hot gun and it was stolen I don’t think I would report it stolen.

 

[CARIIS]

The quoting stuff and computer are acting very bad ! So gonna do it this way until everything settles down !

Its very bumpy and has been for a couple days

No surprise there. Control your border Canada, control your border. Before it is too late.

boy it seems like now is a great time to be a wall contractor!

We like quick fixes none of this stuff IMO is a simple cause. It is mental illness disenfranchisement hopelessness mass shootings gangs same dynamics

as a society the gap between the rich and poor results in lots of rage and envy


========================================================Why ISIS claims responsibility for attacks it didn't commit
"There is a long history of terrorists trying to elbow themselves into the limelight and milk some horrible tragedy to claim some credit for themselves," said Hoffman, who serves as Georgetown University's director of security studies.

"For them, it's a quote-unquote 'freebie,' in the sense that they get attention, and people talk about whether it's them. For terrorist groups, being in the news is one of the validations that they have an impact," he said.

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I think a lot of the inspired by bla bla is much more about the military industrial complex -- this is big bucks

Since he did not have " women " to make him dinner and he would make himself a sandwich, did it irk him to see families/women/girls enjoying food in the restaurants?
'Like 2 different people': Friend of Faisal Hussain struggles to understand what sparked Danforth rampage | CBC News
"When he comes around six o'clock, seven o'clock, I say, 'Faisal, who is cooking? Your mom is at the hospital.' He'd say, 'Oh [Malik], I'll make a sandwich."
rbbm.
WARMINGTON: Danforth shooter was “armed for war,” cops say
“He was armed for war,” said a source. “The cost of having that weaponry would be extensive. That kind of stuff does not come cheap.”

"Police sources also say they found a firearm in his Thorncliffe Park Blvd. apartment, and “lots of lots of ammunition.”

"Police say there were other reports of him “pacing up and down the street for up to half an hour” before the shooting.

A police source said he was also seen outside a cafe minutes before the shooting “chain smoking cigarette after cigarette” while glaring in at people seated having dinner.

This could be important information as they put together a psychological profile."

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So many of these mass shooters have tons of ammo and guns - i dont know a lot about costs related to all that stuff but it always bewildering where all these shooters get all this money for these things. Very few of them are like affluent - most doing menial work unemployed etc

maybe people don’t realize how they might be unknowingly feeding ISIS with freebies. ISIS would only need a auto word search of their name via SM to notice crimes and comments that literally beg their acknowledgement.

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It’s as if there was never a single horrendous deed known to North America prior to the Iraq war and the creation of ISIS. Now they are everywhere and their name is on top of many people’s mind each and every time a tragedy occurs.

I think it’s sad actually. Rather than society contemplating what’s gone wrong with people such as Hussain who suddenly become horrendous destructors, it’s much easier to assign responsibility to an outside entity that we have absolutely no control over.


Agree

it is identical with mental illness - if you notice there is often a lot of pushback against mental illness being valdi or playing a role = any society that sticks there head in the sand about anything is never going to be able to address it.

Simply put our mass shootings will continue cause so many poo poo mental illness as a valid entity that has a huge role in most mass shootings . Prepare for our next mass shooting at a mall restaurant church school grocery store festival concert theatre shortly. Its not gonna stop

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As a student at Victoria Park Collegiate Institute, Faisal Hussain was a “very disturbed” young man who spoke “a lot about the pain he was in and the voices that he heard,” says the former head of special education at the high school.

Enrolled in Focus on Success, a separate program for at-risk students, the skinny teen frequently voiced a fear he might hurt someone, and once repeatedly cut into his face with a pencil sharpener blade, prompting a call to police, says educator Jenessa Dworet.

Danforth shooter ‘was afraid he was going to hurt people’ | The Star

as more background comes out we seeing chronicity IMO. It might also be LE is minimizing there contact with him as it relates to mental health because then the story shifts to the why did LE not do more etcetc

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Toronto shooter's neighbors unaware of his mental illness

Toronto shooter's neighbors unaware of his mental illness

This kind of stuff clearly indicates most have no idea what mental illness is. I think movies and tv shows etc result in IMO people thinking that unless one is walking around talking to clouds and trees all the rest of it is BS.

If folks were aware of how many dentists cops teachers professors doctors management types fireman etc etc are severely suffering as a result of a chronic mental illness (only a very few result in talking to clouds!)

I think that is a generational thing happily. This younger generation has much greater understanding of mental illness and hopefully that will over time result in a population that would be much better to raise a flag about someone suffering

The problem with that however once the flag is raised there are no resources to address the issue -- but hey its a start .

There were also huge variables in family systems being able to understand the subtitles of the illness. There were profound interrelationships as it correlated with education and a families willingness to understand that there loved was sick not making choices.

moo

 

[CoolJ]

I really hope Canada can get this problem under control, and doesn't go down the same road as the unnamed off-topic country to the south.

What i am hearing now from someone in LE in a border crossing city is that the street price on guns coming into Canada are so inflated that the criminals are looking for alternatives.
In recent years, a handgun could be bought on the streets in Detroit for $200 and sold on the streets of Toronto for up to $1500.
If this gun came from Saskatchewan as they are saying, it is likely coming from organized crime. JMO

 

[CoolJ]

Terrible reporting. So the gun was stolen in a burglary in Saskatoon after it was illegally imported from the US?

Yea, it looks like we have two “police sources” saying the exact opposite. Who do you believe? Whomever suites your agenda the best I suppose, isn’t that how the world spins these days?

 

[MistyWaters]

A CBC interview with a forensic psychiatrist who has studied other mass shootings —-


Predicting mass shootings is nearly impossible, says psychiatrist who assessed Colorado theatre shooter
“.....About half the perpetrators of mass killings end up dead, according to at least one study, often leaving questions of motive unresolved.

But in at least one high-profile case, the forensic psychiatrist who was able to interview a mass shooter believes he was able to glean insight into at least some of the factors that lead individuals to carry out mass killings.....”
Predicting mass shootings is nearly impossible, says psychiatrist who assessed Colorado theatre shooter | CBC News

 

[Gardenista]

Link to the gun being illegally imported before stolen.?


If I had a hot gun and it was stolen I don’t think I would report it stolen.

LOL, you'd think that would go without saying.

 

[CoolJ]

A CBC interview with a forensic psychiatrist who has studied other mass shootings —-


Predicting mass shootings is nearly impossible, says psychiatrist who assessed Colorado theatre shooter
“.....About half the perpetrators of mass killings end up dead, according to at least one study, often leaving questions of motive unresolved.

But in at least one high-profile case, the forensic psychiatrist who was able to interview a mass shooter believes he was able to glean insight into at least some of the factors that lead individuals to carry out mass killings.....”
Predicting mass shootings is nearly impossible, says psychiatrist who assessed Colorado theatre shooter | CBC News

Nearly impossible? It seems to me the majority of them talk about shooting people for months or even years before they actually do it. Including this case, and including the Colorado theatre shooter who this “psychiatrist” apparently assessed.

 

[dotr]

It has not been mentioned, or even broached afaik, but at age 29, did perp ever have a gf/bf, go out on a date, have an interest in anyone?
Was he into violent ?
Did he have any awareness concerning his charming neighbour a block away, Bruce M or any of his alleged victims?
speculation.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yea, it looks like we have two “police sources” saying the exact opposite. Who do you believe? Whomever suites your agenda the best I suppose, isn’t that how the world spins these days?

The media’s initial reportings of information from anonymous “police sources” is often so unreliable that I take it with a grain of salt. If the source isn’t an official police spokesperson willing to allow their name to be published, then the information being disclosed could be nothing more than rumour or speculation from a person not directly involved.

The media isn’t required to prove the information they obtain from anonymous sources is factual and during the course of an investigation and if a leak is uncovered, officers directly involved face dismissal for blabbing. Why would anyone with a good policing career want to risk it? On the other hand, if MSM offers up enough different scenarios, odds are they’ll get something right....

 

[KaaBoom]

Link to the gun being illegally imported before stolen.?


If I had a hot gun and it was stolen I don’t think I would report it stolen.

I don't think it would either, but that is what is being reported. The gun was stolen in Sackatoon and originated in the US, and Toronto police are working with US authorities to trace it.

The police source tells CTV News Toronto that the theft of the gun in Saskatoon occurred around the same time that Hussain’s brother, Fahad, was arrested in the city on drug charges.

Hussain’s brother was also connected to the seizure of more than 30 guns in Pickering last year, according to the same source.

When Hussain’s Thorncliffe Park Drive apartment was searched this week, sources say, police found ammunition and large capacity magazines.

According to a source who spoke to CP24, the gun used in the attack originated in the United States and investigators are working with officials in the U.S. to determine how the weapon ended up in Canada.

Self-inflicted gunshot wound killed suspected Danforth shooter: source

 

[MistyWaters]

Nearly impossible? It seems to me the majority of them talk about shooting people for months or even years before they actually do it. Including this case, and including the Colorado theatre shooter who this “psychiatrist” apparently assessed.

The issue is thought and talk about shooting anonymous people isn’t a criminal offence unless the act actually occurs. After mental health treatment is sought including prescribed medication, once the patient is stabilized, on their way they go. That is precisely the situation that some families are faced with - even if they believe a child or relative has the capacity to become dangerous, there’s absolutely nothing they can do but hope and pray, especially when their loved one isn’t voluntarily cooperating with a long term treatment plan.

It’s a very complex issue directly involving personal rights and freedoms.

 

[dotr]

I don't think it would either, but that is what is reported. The gun was stolen in Sackatoon and originated in the US, and Toronto police are working with US authorities to trace it.



Self-inflicted gunshot wound killed suspected Danforth shooter: source

So if what " sources " say is true, just how large is the apartment that nobody noticed/ found/reported the mentally unstable shooter's stash? imo, speculation.
From link.
"When Hussain’s Thorncliffe Park Drive apartment was searched this week, sources say, police found ammunition and large capacity magazines."

 

[KaaBoom]

What i am hearing now from someone in LE in a border crossing city is that the street price on guns coming into Canada are so inflated that the criminals are looking for alternatives.
In recent years, a handgun could be bought on the streets in Detroit for $200 and sold on the streets of Toronto for up to $1500.
If this gun came from Saskatchewan as they are saying, it is likely coming from organized crime. JMO

All a gang member has to do is go to Detroit and buy the gun himself, then head back through the tunnel to Canada. When Canada Border guard asks this if they have anything to declare, say nope. Do you have any guns or weapons, nope. Welcome back to Canada, and they are on their way back to Toronto with their new gun. I have crossed the border many times, and could have been carrying an AR-15 and ammunition into Canada each time. It's not like they ever checked my bags.

 

[Tilly23]

So if what " sources " say is true, just how large is the apartment that nobody noticed/ found/reported the mentally unstable shooter's stash? imo, speculation.
From link.
"When Hussain’s Thorncliffe Park Drive apartment was searched this week, sources say, police found ammunition and large capacity magazines."

Earlier reports identified the apartment number.
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an excerpt:

"Sources say the deceased shooter’s personal life is being explored — including searching his family’s residence in Unit 707 in the Thorncliffe apartment building."
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The building complex website shows some of the floor plans for the building, including the "07" suites:
Rideau Towers Floor Plans | Rent Apartments in Toronto
https://cdngeneral.rentcafe.com/dms...s=300&cropyunits=241&maxwidth=800&quality=85&

2 bedrooms, 1.5 baths. 925 sq. ft.



MOO.

 

[ttcRider]

The issue is thought and talk about shooting anonymous people isn’t a criminal offence unless the act actually occurs. After mental health treatment is sought including prescribed medication, once the patient is stabilized, on their way they go. That is precisely the situation that some families are faced with - even if they believe a child or relative has the capacity to become dangerous, there’s absolutely nothing they can do but hope and pray, especially when their loved one isn’t voluntarily cooperating with a long term treatment plan.

It’s a very complex issue directly involving personal rights and freedoms.

Love this post! Thank you.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't think it would either, but that is what is being reported. The gun was stolen in Sackatoon and originated in the US, and Toronto police are working with US authorities to trace it.



Self-inflicted gunshot wound killed suspected Danforth shooter: source

“....The source said there is reason to believe that the gunman, Faisal Hussain, 29, might have obtained the firearm used in the attack from his older brother, who is in a coma in hospital.

The older brother is known to Toronto police for alleged ties to a Thorncliffe Park street gang, the source said....”
Gun in Danforth shooting traced to U.S., says police source | CBC News

I also question the accuracy of a report that claims an illegal weapon was reported stolen in Saskatoon.

Notice some reports claim it’s a twin brother, this an “older” brother.

Gangs, illegal drugs and guns are synonymous. In Western Canada our higher crime rate is directly attributed to gang activity and as a result, thefts of legal guns during break and enters has become all too common.

 

[MistyWaters]

All a gang member has to do is go to Detroit and buy the gun himself, then head back through the tunnel to Canada. When Canada Border guard asks this if they have anything to declare, say nope. Do you have any guns or weapons, nope. Welcome back to Canada, and they are on their way back to Toronto with their new gun. I have crossed the border many times, and could have been carrying an AR-15 and ammunition into Canada each time. It's not like they ever checked my bags.

Or this. I suppose someone without any scruples doing this could then report it stolen, really who’s to know... If the gun is later recovered and connected to any crime, they’re off the hook.

Legal Canadian gun owners selling their weapons illegally on the rise: police

 

[dotr]

Judging by the appearance of the murdered young female victims, might this also be considered a hate crime ?
Apparently the perp seemed to have enough control of himself to not go snap crackle pop at Thornecliffe.
speculation.rbbm.
"The Danforth gunman could have been both ill and evil: Opinion | CBC News
"The impulse to categorize an act so unthinkable does make sense: if we can understand the specific reason why this happened, then perhaps we can make changes to ensure it doesn't happen again. The problem with this line of thinking is that it assumes the perpetrators of these mass atrocities can be neatly classified as just one thing. But seldom is that the case."

"The point here is that all of these factors — the ubiquity of guns, predisposition to violence, history of mental illness, susceptibility to online radicalization, hatred of women — can be interconnected."

"The Globe and Mail reported that on Sunday night on his way to the Danforth, Hussain, who was then carrying his gun, came across a neighbourhood resident named Jaspal Singh and said, "Don't worry, I'm not going to shoot you." ISIS claimed ownership of the attack two days later."