Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #13

[sublimemumma]

We read into a lot of things too much here
It could be interpreted that way too. You mean like saying 'a bushel basket full of evidence', if I follow.

Yes exactly!

 

[Cherchri]

Plz provide a link to your quote... I don't believe this was in a report. This was just something cherchi heard someone mumble and we are lucky enough to hear first hand from someone there.

Nothing Is static... The reports are all rolling out now. Here is Shane Parker addressing the media and referring to the hard drive http://globalnews.ca/news/1507329/triple-murder-suspect-douglas-garland-to-make-court-appearance/

 

[Cherchri]

Yes exactly!

Turns out he meant literally a hard drive full of information
http://globalnews.ca/news/1507329/triple-murder-suspect-douglas-garland-to-make-court-appearance/

 

[sublimemumma]

At least we know this for sure....

"Authorities have also scoured the property of Garland’s parents northeast of Airdrie and turned up no trace of any of the victims."


Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/accused-in-liknes-and-o-brien-murders-in-court-1.1959334#ixzz3AOceRlsH

Once again is this just phrasing by the reporter? Yes the victims weren't found at the property or area around it but there has been no info released as to if there was "traces of the victims or the crime that happened" at the property. We know that obviously they DO have evidence to link DG to the crime. Whether that is at DG's parent's property or not we don't know. I think once again we, WS, are reading to much into the exact wording of the media...

 

[sublimemumma]

Turns out he meant literally a hard drive full if information
http://globalnews.ca/news/1507329/triple-murder-suspect-douglas-garland-to-make-court-appearance/

Ok thanks!!! I just don't like to jump to concussions based on wording of one person.

 

[Cherchri]

Ok thanks!!! I just don't like to jump to concussions based on wording of one person.

Good policy! I think concussions are dangerous seriously neither do I. I couldn't quote him verbatim because he wasn't 100% audible in the courtroom. What he says in this interview is also not exactly what he said - or what I heard in the courtroom. It was totally ambiguous.

 

[Sillybilly]

Oh, I don't know why you're not getting them...I just pulled it up and there's definitely video. I can't help you with that Sillybilly, sorry

Finally got it (something to do with cookies). Here's what Kim Ross had to say about disclosure:

from video link above (July 16):

"Today was Mr. Garland’s first appearance to answer to the charges that were laid on Monday

I was just appointed yesterday so I don’t have any disclosure yet

I had spoken with the Crown and as you heard in court today he’s going to be getting the disclosure together for me so we’ve put it over to the middle of August so the Crown can get the disclosure to me."

from today's article (Aug 14):
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...se-douglas-garland-appears-in-court-1.2736193

Corrections

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An earlier version of this story said the case was put over because Crown lawyers told a judge they are awaiting evidence to be disclosed by Calgary police. In fact, Crown lawyers are now in the process of disclosing that information to the defence team, but have not yet finished doing so.

Disclosure is not one fell swoop event .. it is an ongoing process as it becomes available to be turned over.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/family-of-missing-trio-shattered-as-suspect-makes-court-appearance/article20070677/
BBM
A hard drive with evidence is to be provided to the defence next week.
“There’s a fair bit of materials for him to go through. As you can appreciate from the number of resources that were used by the police, when every officer has to generate notes, that generates materials that have to be disclosed,” said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker.
“It is voluminous and we’re continuing to get the lab results back as well.”
The Crown expects a three-week preliminary hearing will be scheduled for between six and eight months from now.

Noted by ldbd ~ prosecutor said "they are continuing to get the lab results back as well" leads me to believe more forensics are being obtained and processed.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Graphic Warning
I used to work in a slaughterhouse, for a zoo - and - used only skin knives, cleavers and hatchets. In regards to blood flow; though I mainly slaughtered Charolais cows, on occasion I was to prep other animals for cause of death for vets, and I tell ya, even a goat, dead for a few hours still spills a lot of blood.

For the record, my best time for getting fresh meat from a once live cow was 27 minutes including skinning, largest dressed piece 22lbs, smallest piece 7lbs , however, one cannot just get into cutting apart an animal, it takes a lot of skill. On average a cow would take me about an hour. Now the graphic bit; it is not the blood that is difficult to clean off (even with a hose off of a very smooth concrete surface), it's the sinewy bits or bone with ligament which is common no matter how skilled you are with a knife. Cleaning tissue was my bane, it takes time. If he did that deed, he would have brought some with him.

How did he dismember efficiently and not bring a trace anywhere (that we know)?

I'm on the line of thinking that no dismemberment took place at the home (at the acreage, possibly) for the pure reason of risk. After being 'surprised' by little NO, I just don't think any killer would want to hang around longer than he has to for the fear of the unknown - an unexpected visitor (NO's mother, or other family/neighbor dropping in/checking in) or just being in someone else's home where he wouldn't have control of the environment/surroundings and it would make him and his crime scene vulnerable. JMO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If there was so much evidence in the house, why there was an article a couple of days after the disappearance that police are confident that they are going to find the family alive? Or evidence wasn't as clear but it is clear enough to charge DG with three murders?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/calgar...ey-ll-find-missing-boy-grandparents-1.1897614

Good point, that's a pretty heavy statement to make to the media and to send that message to family members. I honestly think they meant it…until something forensic told them otherwise.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

I'm on the line of thinking that no dismemberment took place at the home (at the acreage, possibly) for the pure reason of risk. After being 'surprised' by little NO, I just don't think any killer would want to hang around longer than he has to for the fear of the unknown - an unexpected visitor (NO's mother, or other family/neighbor dropping in/checking in) or just being in someone else's home where he wouldn't have control of the environment/surroundings and it would make him and his crime scene vulnerable. JMO.

Agreed Lalalacasbah, suspect would have been out of his comfort zone in the Parkhill home. If dismemberment occurred it would imo have happened somewhere as in the farm where the suspect felt comfortable,safe, familiar and in control.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

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Bill Graveland ‏@BillGraveland 5m
Douglas Garland matter set over to Sept. 17th on murder charges. A harddrive full of evidence will be provided to defence next week.

https://twitter.com/BillGraveland

Plz provide a link to your quote... I don't believe this was in a report. This was just something cherchi heard someone mumble and we are lucky enough to hear first hand from someone there.

It was in Coldpizza's quote #214...you must've missed that one

 

[Tinkerbel1]

At least we know this for sure....

"Authorities have also scoured the property of Garland’s parents northeast of Airdrie and turned up no trace of any of the victims."

Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/accused-in-liknes-and-o-brien-murders-in-court-1.1959334#ixzz3AOceRlsH

Agreed Lalalacasbah, suspect would have been out of his comfort zone in the Parkhill home. If dismemberment occurred it would imo have happened somewhere as in the farm where the suspect felt comfortable,safe, familiar and in control.

Media reported there was no trace of the victims on the suspects acreage...bottom of article. No trace. Despite the forensic tents, the police dogs, and a large number of LE scouring the acreage. IMO, either DG is very meticulous, or the victims were never there.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/family-of-missing-trio-shattered-as-suspect-makes-court-appearance/article20070677/
BBM
A hard drive with evidence is to be provided to the defence next week.
“There’s a fair bit of materials for him to go through. As you can appreciate from the number of resources that were used by the police, when every officer has to generate notes, that generates materials that have to be disclosed,” said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker.
“It is voluminous and we’re continuing to get the lab results back as well.”
The Crown expects a three-week preliminary hearing will be scheduled for between six and eight months from now.

Noted by ldbd ~ prosecutor said "they are continuing to get the lab results back as well" leads me to believe more forensics are being obtained and processed.

....or some reports of early evidence took longer to get results on than others

 

[Deleted member 117120]

O'Brien Trust Fund CIBC and/or ‘Super Heroes Are Real’ Funds both are at CIBC as per attached msm article.
http://www.mountainfm.ca/2014/08/13/super-heroes-are-real/ with audio interview of long time friends from Canmore Cherri and Ken Hodgins.
BBM from article ~ Cherri also told me that her and Kathy had made a promise that if something bad ever happened to one of them, the other would do whatever they could to look after that person’s family. This is why they’re driven to get as many donations as possible for the ‘Super Heroes Are Real’ fund to benefit the O’Brien family. Bow Valley Basics has contributed some donation boxes that will be popping up around town this week

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Finally got it (something to do with cookies). Here's what Kim Ross had to say about disclosure:

from video link above (July 16):



from today's article (Aug 14):
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...se-douglas-garland-appears-in-court-1.2736193



Disclosure is not one fell swoop event .. it is an ongoing process as it becomes available to be turned over.

Agreed There has not been one single item turned over since July 16th court date...so IMO they must want to get most of it together to give to them at once. Anything new would follow after initial disclosure documents.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Just back from court. As we suspected disclosure has not been made to defence and the case has been held over to 9am on September 17 when DG will again appear via CCTV. Sat next to AL and another couple who chatted to Nancy Hixt while I eavesdropped. She will have something to share by 6 tonight relative to a trust. I heard her confirm that the family want this info to be shared. DG is diminutive - my guess maybe 5' 7". He is looking fuzzy again with his hair grown fuller and longer and a 5 o'clock shadow of note. JO and RO were there but not in courtroom 305. I saw them enter through security but not thereafter. Perhaps there is a special room where they can watch proceedings via CCTV? So all in all a non-event. All the usual suspects from MSM were there and Kevin Martin sat to my left. Shane Parker said something about an entire hard drive of evidence but I couldn't discern precisely what he said... Whatever it is will be ready by Tuesday. Sorry There's nothing definitive to share.

Thanks for sharing Cherchri, you're a Supersleuth!!:clap:

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Once again is this just phrasing by the reporter? Yes the victims weren't found at the property or area around it but there has been no info released as to if there was "traces of the victims or the crime that happened" at the property. We know that obviously they DO have evidence to link DG to the crime. Whether that is at DG's parent's property or not we don't know. I think once again we, WS, are reading to much into the exact wording of the media...

Have you read the article? The link is in quote # 256, which is the original of the one you replied to in on your quote above. Media would not be 'ad libbing' that kind of info, IMO. And if they are incorrect in stating that, there has not been a correction to my knowledge.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

LE that has not disclosed evidence to the Crown yet, therefore the Crown has nothing to give to the Defense. Hmmm, why haven't LE sent anything yet? It's a reasonable expectation that the Crown, therefore the Defense, should have had something by now. The most damning piece of evidence to date would be what I'ld be sending first...and they say they have that...so...what's going on? Is there a reasonable explanation for this?

Several good reasons... I'm sure there is a lot of evidence and to package it in an organized format I'm sure takes time... perhaps some test results are still pending... it may take a lot of time to decide what is relevant...

OR... given that LE is still trying to question DG, one might get something incriminating, or more out of him ifhe does not know how much, or how little you have on him.

 

[Cherchri]

Have you read the article? The link is in quote # 256, which is the original of the one you replied to in on your quote above. Media would not be 'ad libbing' that kind of info, IMO. And if they are incorrect in stating that, there has not been a correction to my knowledge.

Actually, MSM has repeatedly chosen words and phrases that cast a completely erroneous light on this subject. I will make reference to one example that I banged on about FOREVER.... They said a violent struggle had occurred in the Parkhill residence WHEREAS LE specifically said a violent incident. The use if the word struggle put a very different spin on the scenario, implying someone had fought back. So by way of this example we can see that just one single little old word, chosen by a reporter, can put a different slant on things.