Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #13

[Deleted member 117120]

There is also a 4th Trust Fund set up by ATB Financial set up a trust fund for the O’Brien family to help them in their time of need. It started when Lisa Wise, a Calgary woman, asked ATB CEO Dave Mowat on Twitter to set up an account for Rod and Jennifer O’Brien, Nathan’s parents. Albertans can donate to the O’Brien family trust account at any ATB branch.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/16/nathan-obrien-search-orchestrated-by-two-moms-who-met-online-and-just-wanted-to-find-this-little-guy/
https://twitter.com/dmowat_atb

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What exactly was said, and what was reported in the news? If we put the two sentences side by side, what was changed, and how does it change the meaning?

My understanding of what I heard is that the bodies have not been found, or there is no trace of bodies, at the acreage. There could be evidence of their burned clothing, but there is no trace at the acreage. Is that an incorrect understanding?

Reverse engineer the logic... for a JOURNALIST to know, and confidently state that there was no forensic evidence belonging to the victims found at the acreage, that would mean someone high ranking or very knowledgeable in the investigation would have divulged that to them. Knowing they are a reporter and that it is going to be publicized, and thus let perp(s) know they found nothing, it is going to compromise any questioning of witnesses, suspects etc.

Ask yourself, is it likely that someone in LE would let that big a piece of information out? Would a reporter with a massive inside scoop simply use a 2 word blurb about it in a nothing article,
or would the headline be NOTHING FOUND AT GARLAND ACREAGE: DO POLICE HAVE THE WRONG MAN...

There is no question it is just a lazy choice of words to convey no complete, intact bodies were found.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Not to keep on this subject but this link states the Super Heroes Are Real trust fund and Go Fund Me is for the O'Brien and Liknes family jointly.
http://www.q107fm.ca/2014/07/18/three-ways-to-donate-to-obrien-liknes-families/

 

[Tinkerbel1]

There is also a 4th Trust Fund set up by ATB Financial set up a trust fund for the O’Brien family to help them in their time of need. It started when Lisa Wise, a Calgary woman, asked ATB CEO Dave Mowat on Twitter to set up an account for Rod and Jennifer O’Brien, Nathan’s parents. Albertans can donate to the O’Brien family trust account at any ATB branch.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/16/nathan-obrien-search-orchestrated-by-two-moms-who-met-online-and-just-wanted-to-find-this-little-guy/
https://twitter.com/dmowat_atb

Wow!! I told you Canadians were generous!! That's a lot of trust funds! Most for the O'Brien's...hopefully JO helps her stepbrothers out as well

 

[Lalalacasbah]

O'Brien Trust Fund CIBC and/or ‘Super Heroes Are Real’ Funds both are at CIBC as per attached msm article.
http://www.mountainfm.ca/2014/08/13/super-heroes-are-real/ with audio interview of long time friends from Canmore Cherri and Ken Hodgins.
BBM from article ~ Cherri also told me that her and Kathy had made a promise that if something bad ever happened to one of them, the other would do whatever they could to look after that person’s family. This is why they’re driven to get as many donations as possible for the ‘Super Heroes Are Real’ fund to benefit the O’Brien family. Bow Valley Basics has contributed some donation boxes that will be popping up around town this week

Good catch on the quote! I have to say, the only people who tell people/friends/family that ('if anything bad happens to me…') are usually feeling in danger or their instincts are sending alerts that something bad actually might really happen to them. Most people don't say that *unless* there's something underneath the surface of the statement... This is heard a lot from people who are in abusive relationships, who are being stalked, are creeped out by a co-worker, etc. It's said when people are uneasy about someone they've interacted with. Question is - why did KL feel like something bad might happen?

 

[otto]

There is also a 4th Trust Fund set up by ATB Financial set up a trust fund for the O’Brien family to help them in their time of need. It started when Lisa Wise, a Calgary woman, asked ATB CEO Dave Mowat on Twitter to set up an account for Rod and Jennifer O’Brien, Nathan’s parents. Albertans can donate to the O’Brien family trust account at any ATB branch.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/16/nathan-obrien-search-orchestrated-by-two-moms-who-met-online-and-just-wanted-to-find-this-little-guy/

That's fantastic. Hopefully, in addition to counselling available through work, the civic, provincial, and federal government programs, and the fundraising through Kathryn's friend, the two children will be able to resume their lives, in spite of their loss. There is tragedy around the globe on a daily basis. If people need skills to cope with a personal loss, that should be offered. Hopefully Kathryn's two children are taking advantage of the grief counselling that is available through their mother's friend, and government/job opportunities.

Hopefully Alvin's four children from his first marriage have a spokesperson too. There are six children that have a legal claim to government compensation. Hopefully they have files claims.

When the crown prosecutor said that his office will have a meeting with the grieving family to explain the process, I half wondered if the grieving family sat in a different room during the one minute schedule hearing to make a stance about not having enough information about the evidence. Clearly that can't be released, but if it wasn't a request for evidence that resulted in a private hearing, what was it? They were offered a meeting whereby the process would be explained.

Perhaps they were earnest about the recovery of bodies, perhaps about not having enough information about the evidence. Either way ... the process will be explained in a meeting with the family in September. I think it's a good time to remember that the prosecutor has more cases ... this is just one in the assigned cases.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

That's fantastic. Hopefully, in addition to counselling available through work, the civic, provincial, and federal government programs, and the fundraising through Kathryn's friend, the two children will be able to resume their lives, in spite of their loss. There is tragedy around the globe on a daily basis. If people need skills to cope with a personal loss, that should be offered. Hopefully Kathryn's two children are taking advantage of the grief counselling that is available through their mother's friend, and government/job opportunities.

Hopefully Alvin's four children from his first marriage have a spokesperson too. There are six children that have a legal claim to government compensation. Hopefully they have files claims.

When the crown prosecutor said that his office will have a meeting with the grieving family to explain the process, I half wondered if the grieving family sat in a different room during the one minute schedule hearing to make a stance about not having enough information about the evidence. Clearly that can't be released, but if it wasn't a request for evidence that resulted in a private hearing, what was it? They were offered a meeting whereby the process would be explained.

Perhaps they were earnest about the recovery of bodies, perhaps about not having enough information about the evidence. Either way ... the process will be explained in a meeting with the family in September. I think it's a good time to remember that the prosecutor has more cases ... this is just one in the assigned cases.

Excellent points otto.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Good catch on the quote! I have to say, the only people who tell people/friends/family that ('if anything bad happens to me…') are usually feeling in danger or their instincts are sending alerts that something bad actually might really happen to them. Most people don't say that *unless* there's something underneath the surface of the statement... This is heard a lot from people who are in abusive relationships, who are being stalked, are creeped out by a co-worker, etc. It's said when people are uneasy about someone they've interacted with. Question is - why did KL feel like something bad might happen?

Responding to my own quote lol! I might've misunderstood CH's meaning - maybe two old friends said things like this to each other for when something happens to them in old age as a courtesy to one another, there might not be a dark undertone to the statement, it could either way really depending on the context. Just wanted to put that out there in case I misunderstood the meaning….

 

[Sillybilly]

It's a bit bizarre that a woman crawls out of the woodwork as a self appointed "spokesperson" for the deceased, and is in charge of fundraising

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Could be well-intentioned, but that set my hinky meter off too, otto.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

The other fundraiser not mentioned this evening was discussed on WS previously. The trade show July 20th at the Delta Calgary South raised funds as well in the earlier days of the investigation.
http://www.630ched.com/2014/07/20/fundraiser-held-today-in-calgary-for-liknes-and-obrien-family/

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Good catch on the quote! I have to say, the only people who tell people/friends/family that ('if anything bad happens to me…') are usually feeling in danger or their instincts are sending alerts that something bad actually might really happen to them. Most people don't say that *unless* there's something underneath the surface of the statement... This is heard a lot from people who are in abusive relationships, who are being stalked, are creeped out by a co-worker, etc. It's said when people are uneasy about someone they've interacted with. Question is - why did KL feel like something bad might happen?

I think this depends on when they made the agreement. If it was when they were quite young, then it may be kind of like a "blood brothers" agreement; if it was recently, then I would say that your comment definitely has merit, especially in light of what has occurred.

 

[otto]

Good catch on the quote! I have to say, the only people who tell people/friends/family that ('if anything bad happens to me…') are usually feeling in danger or their instincts are sending alerts that something bad actually might really happen to them. Most people don't say that *unless* there's something underneath the surface of the statement... This is heard a lot from people who are in abusive relationships, who are being stalked, are creeped out by a co-worker, etc. It's said when people are uneasy about someone they've interacted with. Question is - why did KL feel like something bad might happen?

"Cherri also told me that her and Kathy had made a promise that if something bad ever happened to one of them, the other would do whatever they could to look after that person’s family."

Interesting comment about people that actually think to say something like that to a friend ... if something ever happens to me, promise that you'll look after my family. I'm assuming that doesn't mean step-children, as that would be a huge request. Asking a friend to look after natural children in the event something "bad" happened ... does that mean that the person making the request thought it was a possibility that something "bad" could happen? Kathryn knew that they quietly sold the house on Dec 5, 2013, after the had removed her name during her 2012 bankruptcy, and June 2014 they were declaring Alvin's bankruptcy, they were leaving the country at the end of the month, and had distributed the proceeds from the house sale between an Edmonton, or Evanberg, home, and a retirement condo in Mexico. There was also a Panama business with no business other than a word about Mercury, and a tax bracket. The condo in Mexico is jointly owned by someone in the Liknes family and someone in the Garland family. Someone in the Garland family murdered the Liknes couple within months of the Liknes couple purchasing the condo. The Mexico property was investigated approximately two weeks after the murder, and that investigation is been concluded.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

http://www.mountainfm.ca/2014/08/13/super-heroes-are-real/
Audio interview with the couple from Canmore explaining the fundraiser. Cherri H****** clearly states the fund raising is for O and L family members jointly. I don't know how the funds will be administered between the family.

 

[stan laurel]

This is from the National Post

Police have said the home bore signs of a violent struggle and at least one person would have been in “medical distress” and taken forcibly from the house.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-obrien-amber-alert-and-missing-grandparents/

This is after the triple homicide announcement.

So, back to making no noise while doing something,, it's one thing to move a silent object but another to move one that's possibly kicking around. Who was the forced one?

 

[otto]

There is also a 4th Trust Fund set up by ATB Financial set up a trust fund for the O’Brien family to help them in their time of need. It started when Lisa Wise, a Calgary woman, asked ATB CEO Dave Mowat on Twitter to set up an account for Rod and Jennifer O’Brien, Nathan’s parents. Albertans can donate to the O’Brien family trust account at any ATB branch.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/16/nathan-obrien-search-orchestrated-by-two-moms-who-met-online-and-just-wanted-to-find-this-little-guy/
https://twitter.com/dmowat_atb

Presumably the trust fund set up by the friend of Kathryn, who is looking after Kathryn's family, is operating independent of the Obrien fund raising efforts (wasn't that started by Mr Head, the neighbour with a brother in aerial photo oil/gas business???). Let me see if I understand correctly, there are several funds set up for the Obriens, at least one for Liknes, but where is the fund from the Kathryn's friend that is looking out for her son ... I mean ... where is the fund for Kathryn's two children, or is her natural son with Alvin not mentioned but he will receive half the money?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

This is from the National Post

Police have said the home bore signs of a violent struggle and at least one person would have been in “medical distress” and taken forcibly from the house.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-obrien-amber-alert-and-missing-grandparents/

This is after the triple homicide announcement.

So, back to making no noise while doing something,, it's one thing to move a silent object but another to move one that's possibly kicking around. Who was the forced one?

LE initially said they were missing, not deceased. Why suddenly did the theory change?

It's safe to assume LE were operating on what they knew at the time, and as knowledge was aquired, possibilities were eliminated, and evidence was collected, a more complete version of the events emerged.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

:tantrum:

O'Brien Trust Fund CIBC and/or &#8216;Super Heroes Are Real&#8217; Funds both are at CIBC as per attached msm article.
http://www.mountainfm.ca/2014/08/13/super-heroes-are-real/ with audio interview of long time friends from Canmore Cherri and Ken Hodgins.
BBM from article ~ Cherri also told me that her and Kathy had made a promise that if something bad ever happened to one of them, the other would do whatever they could to look after that person&#8217;s family. This is why they&#8217;re driven to get as many donations as possible for the &#8216;Super Heroes Are Real&#8217; fund to benefit the O&#8217;Brien family. Bow Valley Basics has contributed some donation boxes that will be popping up around town this week

[modsnip]

For clarification purposes there are 4 concurrent fund raising efforts for the O and L family.
1. O'Brien Trust Fund CIBC
2. &#8216;Super Heroes Are Real&#8217; Funds CIBC
1 & 2 funds go into the same account at CIBC
3. Nathan, Kathy and Alvin Fund on go fund me fundraisers
4. ATB Financial see post #323

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/neighbours-launch-fundraiser-for-family-of-missing-calgarians-1.1917293

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/accused-in-liknes-and-o-brien-murders-in-court-1.1959334

There is also a 4th Trust Fund set up by ATB Financial set up a trust fund for the O&#8217;Brien family to help them in their time of need. It started when Lisa Wise, a Calgary woman, asked ATB CEO Dave Mowat on Twitter to set up an account for Rod and Jennifer O&#8217;Brien, Nathan&#8217;s parents. Albertans can donate to the O&#8217;Brien family trust account at any ATB branch.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/16/nathan-obrien-search-orchestrated-by-two-moms-who-met-online-and-just-wanted-to-find-this-little-guy/
https://twitter.com/dmowat_atb

Not to keep on this subject but this link states the Super Heroes Are Real trust fund and Go Fund Me is for the O'Brien and Liknes family jointly.
http://www.q107fm.ca/2014/07/18/three-ways-to-donate-to-obrien-liknes-families/

The other fundraiser not mentioned this evening was discussed on WS previously. The trade show July 20th at the Delta Calgary South raised funds as well in the earlier days of the investigation.
http://www.630ched.com/2014/07/20/fundraiser-held-today-in-calgary-for-liknes-and-obrien-family/

http://www.mountainfm.ca/2014/08/13/super-heroes-are-real/
Audio interview with the couple from Canmore explaining the fundraiser. Cherri H****** clearly states the fund raising is for O and L family members jointly. I don't know how the funds will be administered between the family.

Alright guys! How many trust funds are there?!! There are links coming out of our ears, there is conflicting information as to the names and places these trust funds are held in and there is also conflicting information as to who each one of these is set up for. For instance...The 2 going into the CIBC single account according to one link is for "O'Brien Family" and "Superheros Are Real" trust fund also meant for the O'Brien family, another link states that the "Superheros Are Real" trust fund is for the O'Brien&Liknes families; another one is for "The O'Brien Family" but at ATB...I'm confused!! Are there 3, 4 or 5 trust funds? If I'm going to be donating my money to one of these trust funds, I would like to know who it is going to. I'm sure it's publication miscommunication or confusion, but where are we supposed to get the real information from?:tantrum:

 

[otto]

I hardly think anyone came out if the wood work, Tinker.

If you were to read any of the previous links from a few posts above, you'd understand that her friend is sincere, legitimate and hardly confused over how many kids she has. Geesh!!!!!

Excellent! Which funds are for Kathryn's two children? The online fundraiser seems to be for the Obriens, the CIBC accounts ... how many are there ... who are they for? Which fundraising account specially includes Alvin and Kathryn's son, and Kathryn's daughter (Obrien) from when she was an unwed mother, but not Alvin's children from a previous marriage?

 

[otto]

Responding to my own quote lol! I might've misunderstood CH's meaning - maybe two old friends said things like this to each other for when something happens to them in old age as a courtesy to one another, there might not be a dark undertone to the statement, it could either way really depending on the context. Just wanted to put that out there in case I misunderstood the meaning&#8230;.

Either way, which fund does Cherrie Hodgins claims is for Kathryn's two children?

The family is entitled to counselling, funeral/memorial money, and loss of wages, from the public purse during recovery from a murder in the family. Work benefits are available to Kathryn's daughter, what about her son? Are Kathryn's two children, out of work, or in some stage of recovery and returning to work in the future ... when was the last time Cherrie Hodgins met with Kathryn's two children?

 

[stan laurel]

LE initially said they were missing, not deceased. Why suddenly did the theory change?

It's safe to assume LE were operating on what they knew at the time, and as knowledge was aquired, possibilities were eliminated, and evidence was collected, a more complete version of the events emerged.

this is after le said there were 3 murders. I'm actually curious about noise in this statement,, and theories can change, morph what have you. we are not privy to much info, so we sleuth and think and try to come to conclusions collectively in this free flow. maybe the statement above was or should be forcibly confined to 123 38th ave, because going outside could be a dilemma for the accused should the victim regain consciousness or still be kicking or writhing or trying to get out of the house.