Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #13

[otto]

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Alright guys! How many trust funds are there?!! There are links coming out of our ears, there is conflicting information as to the names and places these trust funds are held in and there is also conflicting information as to who each one of these is set up for. For instance...The 2 going into the CIBC single account according to one link is for "O'Brien Family" and "Superheros Are Real" trust fund also meant for the O'Brien family, another link states that the "Superheros Are Real" trust fund is for the O'Brien&Liknes families; another one is for "The O'Brien Family" but at ATB...I'm confused!! Are there 3, 4 or 5 trust funds? If I'm going to be donating my money to one of these trust funds, I would like to know who it is going to. I'm sure it's publication miscommunication or confusion, but where are we supposed to get the real information from?:tantrum:

Hopefully the real information can come from the woman that is honouring Kathryn's wishes in looking after at least her two children. Which account is for the two children of Kathryn, and are there any fundraising accounts for Alvin's children from the first marriage? That is, is the joint Obrien/Liknes account only for Kathryn's two children, or is it for Alvin's five children and his step daughter?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

This is from the National Post

Police have said the home bore signs of a violent struggle and at least one person would have been in “medical distress” and taken forcibly from the house.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/0...-obrien-amber-alert-and-missing-grandparents/

This is after the triple homicide announcement.

So, back to making no noise while doing something,, it's one thing to move a silent object but another to move one that's possibly kicking around. Who was the forced one?

It pains me to even think about it….I almost want to say maybe NO was forced from the home. A petrified and scared child would not say a peep if told from someone they were deeply afraid of

 

[Tinkerbel1]

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Just to keep the record straight, JO and JL both are AL and KL's children, so JL is not a half-brother.

Uh...sorry sillybilly, your information is not correct. AL is not JO's father. Please note link below.

http://www.leaderpost.com/news/best...ces+amid+horrific+tragedy/10119216/story.html

Cherri Hodgins describes KL as a "single mother with a 6 week old daughter", then further goes on to say that she later met AL and had JL.

 

[otto]

LE initially said they were missing, not deceased. Why suddenly did the theory change?

It's safe to assume LE were operating on what they knew at the time, and as knowledge was aquired, possibilities were eliminated, and evidence was collected, a more complete version of the events emerged.

Police said that they hoped to find the family members alive. There was no "theory change". Two weeks later, the victims were determined to be murdered. That was always one possibility ... it was hoped that they would be found alive, but they were not found alive. Instead, there was confirmation that they were deceased.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Either way, which fund does Cherrie Hodgins claims is for Kathryn's two children?

The family is entitled to counselling, funeral/memorial money, and loss of wages, from the public purse during recovery from a murder in the family. Work benefits are available to Kathryn's daughter, what about her son? Are Kathryn's two children, out of work, or in some stage of recovery and returning to work in the future ... when was the last time Cherrie Hodgins met with Kathryn's two children?

Not too sure otto, I haven't been paying as much attention to the fund raising info myself. Are you thinking that maybe JL (KL & AL's son together) is being overlooked in the trust funds? It gets so confusing keeping track, correct me if I misunderstood...

 

[otto]

<bbm>

Just to keep the record straight, JO and JL both are AL and KL's children, so JL is not a half-brother.

Kathryn Liknes had a young daughter a few years before Alvin and Kathryn were married. No father of that daughter has come forward suffering from debilitating grief that prevents him from working. Shortly after Alvin and Kathryn were married, they had a son together (born 1991). Her daughter was born in about 1987, when Alvin was still married with four children.

 

[otto]

Not too sure otto, I haven't been paying as much attention to the fund raising info myself. Are you thinking that maybe JL (KL & AL's son together) is being overlooked in the trust funds? It gets so confusing keeping track, correct me if I misunderstood...

I'm wondering how a friend of Kathryn's, specifically fundraising for Kathryn's family, could overlook the child Kathryn had with Alvin. Unless there is a fund specifically for those two children, then any fundraising based on looking after Kathryn's "family" (ie: natural children) is a bit weird. Is Cherrie Hodgins fundraising for the two children, or just one ... and if just one, why?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

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Alright guys! How many trust funds are there?!! There are links coming out of our ears, there is conflicting information as to the names and places these trust funds are held in and there is also conflicting information as to who each one of these is set up for. For instance...The 2 going into the CIBC single account according to one link is for "O'Brien Family" and "Superheros Are Real" trust fund also meant for the O'Brien family, another link states that the "Superheros Are Real" trust fund is for the O'Brien&Liknes families; another one is for "The O'Brien Family" but at ATB...I'm confused!! Are there 3, 4 or 5 trust funds? If I'm going to be donating my money to one of these trust funds, I would like to know who it is going to. I'm sure it's publication miscommunication or confusion, but where are we supposed to get the real information from?:tantrum:

[modsnip]

Not to be insensitive, but none of the family seem homeless or hard done by financially, and they are certainly not the only people to have suffered a loss of this type. I'm sure there are scam fundraisers linked to this case as well, so if you're unsure, donate nothing, or donate to your local children's hospice in their name.

It would never occur to me to profit from it. If someone did it on my behalf, I would ask them not to. If you detect a bit of repulsion with all this, you're right.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Either way, which fund does Cherrie Hodgins claims is for Kathryn's two children?

The family is entitled to counselling, funeral/memorial money, and loss of wages, from the public purse during recovery from a murder in the family. Work benefits are available to Kathryn's daughter, what about her son? Are Kathryn's two children, out of work, or in some stage of recovery and returning to work in the future ... when was the last time Cherrie Hodgins met with Kathryn's two children?

Hi Otto Cherri Hodgins didn't claim any of the trust funds she was speaking about today was for KL's 2 children. She spoke of JO and "the young family" only. There was no mention of JL at all by Cherri. Perhaps it was an oversight on her part?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

this is after le said there were 3 murders. I'm actually curious about noise in this statement,, and theories can change, morph what have you. we are not privy to much info, so we sleuth and think and try to come to conclusions collectively in this free flow. maybe the statement above was or should be forcibly confined to 123 38th ave, because going outside could be a dilemma for the accused should the victim regain consciousness or still be kicking or writhing or trying to get out of the house.

Read it again in proper context. There is the new update of charges, and then a rehash of old news... "Police HAVE SAID..." it starts out... it's just quoting old stories.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

[modsnip].

Not to be insensitive, but none of the family seem homeless or hard done by financially, and they are certainly not the only people to have suffered a loss of this type. I'm sure there are scam fundraisers linked to this case as well, so if you're unsure, donate nothing, or donate to your local children's hospice in their name.

I have suffered great, public, and devastating loss as well, and it would never occur to me to profit from it. If someone did it on my behalf, I would ask them not to. If you detect a bit of repulsion with all this, you're right.

Thanks for the information I wasn't aware this wasn't supposed to be talked about...should re-read the rules...

As for your comment regarding "repulsion"...I agree with every single one of your statements above. They are my sentiments exactly. There are absolutely a lot of people who have suffered tremendous loss, etc. Not to be insensitive to the victim's families...people just want to help, but its sad, IMO, that the cases that get huge media attention are the ones fundraisers are set up for it seems. Actually, I'm not aware of any set up for the 5 murders in Calgary this Spring...so maybe there's other criteria as to who is seen as more "needy" or "deserving" of such kindness. It's likely the tragedy of it involving a small child. I too would be embarrassed by fundraising efforts on my behalf. Clearly someone must have some means if there was talk of a $ 100,000 reward in this case in the beginning.

 

[otto]

Thanks for the information I wasn't aware this wasn't supposed to be talked about...should re-read the rules...

As for your comment regarding "repulsion"...I agree with every single one of your statements above. They are my sentiments exactly. There are absolutely a lot of people who have suffered tremendous loss, etc. Not to be insensitive to the victim's families...people just want to help, but its sad, IMO, that the cases that get huge media attention are the ones fundraisers are set up for it seems. Actually, I'm not aware of any set up for the 5 murders in Calgary this Spring...so maybe there's other criteria as to who is seen as more "needy" or "deserving" of such kindness. It's likely the tragedy of it involving a small child. I too would be embarrassed by fundraising efforts on my behalf. Clearly someone must have some means if there was talk of a $ 100,000 reward in this case in the beginning.

Fundraising should be discussed if there is a question about what is going on. There are several funds, and a woman has stepped forward to state that she will look after Kathryn's family. Who is part of that family, and which fund is set up for Kathryn, her two children and her husband - but which excludes his children from a previous marriage (as that's obviously not part of her family). Or, is Kathryn's friend looking after all of Alvin's extended family children too, and all funds will be divided by six? What exactly is happening with all the fundraising event funds? What happened to the auction proceeds from the Airdrie facebook search group?

It appears that the hint by the family that $100,000 was available in reward money was not actually available. It looks like that coincided with the day that the Obrien neighbour, Mr Head, started the online funding page ... trying to raise $100,000. Apparently the money is still needed, even though a reward is not.

 

[stan laurel]

Read it again in proper context. There is the new update of charges, and then a rehash of old news... "Police HAVE SAID..." it starts out... it's just quoting old stories.

so nobody left alive? they all died there?

 

[otto]

so nobody left alive? they all died there?

All three victims died at the Parkhill crime scene. There are two first degree charges for the two victims that were targeted, and a second degree murder charge for a victim that was not intended - but who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were murdered, loaded into the back of a pickup truck, and left here and there in the countryside in some sort of perverted justifiable place.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm wondering how a friend of Kathryn's, specifically fundraising for Kathryn's family, could overlook the child Kathryn had with Alvin. Unless there is a fund specifically for those two children, then any fundraising based on looking after Kathryn's "family" (ie: natural children) is a bit weird. Is Cherrie Hodgins fundraising for the two children, or just one ... and if just one, why?

I might have to start paying attention more closely to the fundraising accounts and info, it all sounds curious.

 

[birdlady2]

Fundraising should be discussed if there is a question about what is going on. There are several funds, and a woman has stepped forward to state that she will look after Kathryn's family. Who is part of that family, and which fund is set up for Kathryn, her two children and her husband - but which excludes his children from a previous marriage (as that's obviously not part of her family). Or, is Kathryn's friend looking after all of Alvin's extended family children too, and all funds will be divided by six? What exactly is happening with all the fundraising event funds? What happened to the auction proceeds from the Airdrie facebook search group?

It appears that the hint by the family that $100,000 was available in reward money was not actually available. It looks like that coincided with the day that the Obrien neighbour, Mr Head, started the online funding page ... trying to raise $100,000. Apparently the money is still needed, even though a reward is not.

Just how are these fund allocated anyway? Does someone have to sign for them, do they have an access to the bank account they are being put into? And if the family is in need now, how would they get that money? Can any family member just go and request funds? Or if someone becomes a spokesperson for the family would they be able to access the funds as they are deposited? I have no idea how these trust funds actually are dispersed.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

At some point, the mods should be snipping all this, because fundraising isn't supposed to be discussed...

Not to be insensitive, but none of the family seem homeless or hard done by financially, and they are certainly not the only people to have suffered a loss of this type. I'm sure there are scam fundraisers linked to this case as well, so if you're unsure, donate nothing, or donate to your local children's hospice in their name.

I have suffered great, public, and devastating loss as well, and it would never occur to me to profit from it. If someone did it on my behalf, I would ask them not to. If you detect a bit of repulsion with all this, you're right.

Sorry for your loss OOTD, and I agree, discussing money doesn't seem right&#8230;at least not at this moment in time when everything is still so fresh. After some time and when all public resources/government grants have been exhausted, then maybe the trust funds could be put out in the media for people to donate, seems too soon for money talk IMO.

 

[stan laurel]

can someone show me the msm link that says they all died at the parkhill home? having a hard time finding it. thanks.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Sorry for your loss OOTD, and I agree, discussing money doesn't seem right…at least not at this moment in time when everything is still so fresh. After some time and when all public resources/government grants have been exhausted, then maybe the trust funds could be put out in the media for people to donate, seems too soon for money talk IMO.

Were there any life insurance policies? Seems 6 weeks is about the right time for those to be coming through? Just wondering. Not to be rude, but there's too much "money stuff" in this whole case, IMO, seems kind of scandalous actually. And it doesn't end. There's one thing after another. Thought I would just ask the question, might as well get that over with too.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

can someone show me the msm link that says they all died at the parkhill home? having a hard time finding it. thanks.

I don't think there is one.