Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #15

[Tinkerbel1]

I read that as well otto following the memorial for NO. I don't see any bursaries or scholarships in memoriam for victims at this point in time in relation to the fundraising projects.

Thanks for the info...I hadn't heard that. :/

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Reference the gmail account for funds.
http://globalnews.ca/news/1544568/grieving-family-says-final-farewell-to-superhero-nathan-obrien/
Grieving family says final farewell to 'superhero' Nathan O ...
globalnews.ca/.../grieving-family-says-final-farewell-to-superhero-natha...
Sep 4, 2014 - Allen Liknes continues searching for parents, Nathan O'Brien ... support family members, and e-mail money transfers can be sent to [email protected]. WATCH: Friends and family arrive at Nathan O'Brien's memorial.

 

[wendiesan]

Thanks Otto for posting the memorial announcement in the companion thread.

 

[otto]

Someone on here, I can't remember who, even created a mock up of the Parkhill home, based on nothing more than speculation, in order to speculate how the crime itself was committed.

It is a fact that the green truck belongs to the accused, that it was removed from his residence on July 4, and that he has been charged with premeditated murder. It is also a fact that the Parkhill house is the first crime scene. It is a fact that the victims have not in any way been connected with drugs, the mafia, the underground, or bikers, that the accused and victims have both a business and familial relationship, and that the accused has a prior criminal history from 1992. It is not a fact that the accused is currently involved with illegal drugs.

It is true that I built a 3D virtual model of the crime scene. It resembles the crime scene and is based on photos and city map foot print. If you see any problems, please let me know so I can make it better. Those that have no interest in the crime scene should scroll on by, but my experience is that during trial, the crime scene becomes interesting in terms of where the murders occurred, how the accused entered the residence, why no one escaped, and other crime scene related points of interest.

A work in progress ... layout ... not materials/finish at this time

Front Yard




Back Yard




Layout Perspective




Layout Plan




Interior View: Dining to Front Door




Living Room to Stairwell

 

[otto]

Thanks newone, a couple sleuthers here believe in the KISS method as do I, even though there's part of me that thinks more elaborately made obvious by my theories But if this crime was committed on something very basic and emotional, rejection/humiliation could easily be it as it's been motives in many other crimes in the past.

Money is very often a motive.

 

[otto]

No one knows 100% what the 'whole' relationship was between AL/KL and DG. We only know what we've heard from AL (Jr). This has been discussed at length. Never say never, and don't discount anything....yet.

By all means, if there is a link suggesting that these murders were drug related, and that the accused is actively involved with illegal drug activity today (not 22 years ago), please post that link.

 

[LoisLane]

By all means, if there is a link suggesting that these murders were drug related, and that the accused is actively involved with illegal drug activity today (not 22 years ago), please post that link.

I do not believe the victims were a result of a drug related murder. I am speculating that DG has involvement with his past history of criminal activity and that may lead LE to where the missing people are. If that makes sense.

Out of curiosity, how many years ago was the supposed patent that DG supposedly worked on?

 

[LoisLane]

Do we even know how long DG has lived at his parents?

 

[LoisLane]

It is a fact that the green truck belongs to the accused, that it was removed from his residence on July 4, and that he has been charged with premeditated murder. It is also a fact that the Parkhill house is the first crime scene. It is a fact that the victims have not in any way been connected with drugs, the mafia, the underground, or bikers, that the accused and victims have both a business and familial relationship, and that the accused has a prior criminal history from 1992. It is not a fact that the accused is currently involved with illegal drugs.

It is true that I built a 3D virtual model of the crime scene. It resembles the crime scene and is based on photos and city map foot print. If you see any problems, please let me know so I can make it better. Those that have no interest in the crime scene should scroll on by, but my experience is that during trial, the crime scene becomes interesting in terms of where the murders occurred, how the accused entered the residence, why no one escaped, and other crime scene related points of interest.

A work in progress ... layout ... not materials/finish at this time

Front Yard




Back Yard




Layout Perspective




Layout Plan




Interior View: Dining to Front Door




Living Room to Stairwell

If you would like any input I could ask my husband who is a registered architect in BC and Alberta.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

By all means, if there is a link suggesting that these murders were drug related, and that the accused is actively involved with illegal drug activity today (not 22 years ago), please post that link.

It's like asking for a link for the house layout, otherwise dismissing the layout. Speculation is speculation, no matter who puts it forward, and regardless of the content.

No one as accusing, it's just theories of things to look for. I think it would be remiss not to look at things like how amphetamines are produced, and cross reference that with what chemicals DG allegedly was importing or selling. A search of contact info, company names, or usernames can lead anywhere unexpectedly. If we only sleuth the details that LE releases, then this thread would have shut down after 3 or 4.

 

[otto]

I do not believe the victims were a result of a drug related murder. I am speculating that DG has involvement with his past history of criminal activity and that may lead LE to where the missing people are. If that makes sense.

Out of curiosity, how many years ago was the supposed patent that DG supposedly worked on?

Allen, Alvin's son, said that they had a falling out over a patent about 7 years ago. I would be surprised if the patent was the reason for the murders. The Mazatlan condo is a more recent investment that involves Liknes and Garland (although we don't know which Garland). That could be related to motive. Personally, I can't see any of the Garland's having a genuine interest in contributing to the purchase of a condo for the Liknes couple in Mazatlan. The Aidrie acreage owners are reportedly in their 80s ... hardly the time to be purchasing a condo in Mexico. Douglas Garland seems to be a loner, so what would he do in Mexico. He has a couple of sisters. The one that is involved with Alvin's son has three children, so she may have extra money lying around that she wanted to use to bolster the Liknes couple's retirement ... but unlikely. That joint purchase seems very unusual to me. Because I can't understand why any one of the Garland's would put money into a retirement condo for the Liknes couple, I suspect that this investment is in some way related to motive.

 

[otto]

If you would like any input I could ask my husband who is a registered architect in BC and Alberta.

That would be very helpful! Please do.

 

[otto]

It's like asking for a link for the house layout, otherwise dismissing the layout. Speculation is speculation, no matter who puts it forward, and regardless of the content.

No one as accusing, it's just theories of things to look for. I think it would be remiss not to look at things like how amphetamines are produced, and cross reference that with what chemicals DG allegedly was importing or selling. A search of contact info, company names, or usernames can lead anywhere unexpectedly. If we only sleuth the details that LE releases, then this thread would have shut down after 3 or 4.

I'm pretty sure that if someone takes a photo, or produces a 3D virtual model, links are not required. We all have access to the house photos and the city map footprint, so we can judge for ourselves whether it's fantasy or reality.

It's best to check with the moderators if unsure whether it's okay to imply, without a link, that the victims have some connection to illegal drugs.

 

[CentralAlberta]

I wonder what P2 stands for.

http://puffthemutantdragon.wordpres...on-crack-2-walter-white-cooking-crystal-meth/

I think this might answer our question if DG was involved in something illegal. Maybe not directly but selling the ingredients to other 'cooks'. How many of us would understand what the P2 (P2P) meant prior to this? But if we were 'cooks' it might be just what we would search in www. Wasn't the blue meth the purest.:facepalm:

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I'm pretty sure that if someone takes a photo, or produces a 3D virtual model, links are not required. We all have access to the house photos and the city map footprint, so we can judge for ourselves whether it's fantasy or reality.

It's best to check with the moderators if unsure whether it's okay to imply, without a link, that the victims have some connection to illegal drugs.

Missing the point... chicken or egg territory here.

Which comes first, the link, or the theory that creates the search for the link...

 

[deugirtni]

I don't think it is a 'fact' that 'the' green truck belongs to the accused, but rather, that the accused owns 'a' green truck and that a green truck was seen in the area during the time of the murders.

It is a fact that the green truck belongs to the accused, that it was removed from his residence on July 4, and that he has been charged with premeditated murder. It is also a fact that the Parkhill house is the first crime scene. It is a fact that the victims have not in any way been connected with drugs, the mafia, the underground, or bikers, that the accused and victims have both a business and familial relationship, and that the accused has a prior criminal history from 1992. It is not a fact that the accused is currently involved with illegal drugs. ....

 

[ABro]

Oh goodness! That was blunt...lol. This would have been the opportune time for them to correct such a perception by some of the public. They didn't take it. Maybe you're right. But...I'm going to go back to the compassion thing and say that perhaps they just weren't thinking, or it doesn't occur to them that there could be such a perception because there's no intent to capitalize on this situation?

The liknes/O'Brien families are accepting donations. Some people think that's icky. Others are perfectly fine with it. No need to rehash.

Whatever you feel, characterizing it as "capitalizing on this situation" -- which is the murder of a child and parents -- is just plain nasty.

If I were in their situation setting up a memorial bench or scholarship would not be my current priority.

The compassionate thing to do would be refrain from judgment and skip the digs. And not to LOL about it.

 

[CentralAlberta]

I'm sure with all of our discussions about Zinc Phosphide this has probably been posted but just in case it hasn't:
A very thorough fact sheet....

http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/znptech.html

Phosphine may also be produced during the manufacture of methamphetamine depending on the method used.5

How about this being the reason for P2 Solutions. Just because there is no action on the web page doesn't mean he doesn't have a line on personal customers. Maybe the web site is just to make the business more legit. Maybe he proudly showed his new business's web site to his parents when first created.

 

[deugirtni]

I forget where the reference originated which stated that the Mazatlan condo was owned by both L and G.. was it a reporter, or was it LE? In any case, I don't think, imho, that anyone would have helped to purchase a retirement home for the Ls, but rather, if it was going to be a 'vacation home', where the Ls would split their time between the condo and their 'other home' in Edmonton (I'm not sure if they had already purchased that home or not?), then it is a good possibility that AL & PG could have gone in with the Ls on the purchase of that condo, also to be used as their own vacation home.. splitting out the time with the Ls, etc. Makes perfect sense to me that family would go in together on vacation property ownership, and since PG was the only family member with the G name, it only makes sense that it would have been AL and PG who did that, MOO.

Allen, Alvin's son, said that they had a falling out over a patent about 7 years ago. I would be surprised if the patent was the reason for the murders. The Mazatlan condo is a more recent investment that involves Liknes and Garland (although we don't know which Garland). That could be related to motive. Personally, I can't see any of the Garland's having a genuine interest in contributing to the purchase of a condo for the Liknes couple in Mazatlan. The Aidrie acreage owners are reportedly in their 80s ... hardly the time to be purchasing a condo in Mexico. Douglas Garland seems to be a loner, so what would he do in Mexico. He has a couple of sisters. The one that is involved with Alvin's son has three children, so she may have extra money lying around that she wanted to use to bolster the Liknes couple's retirement ... but unlikely. That joint purchase seems very unusual to me. Because I can't understand why any one of the Garland's would put money into a retirement condo for the Liknes couple, I suspect that this investment is in some way related to motive.

 

[Sillybilly]

It's like asking for a link for the house layout, otherwise dismissing the layout. Speculation is speculation, no matter who puts it forward, and regardless of the content.

No one as accusing, it's just theories of things to look for. I think it would be remiss not to look at things like how amphetamines are produced, and cross reference that with what chemicals DG allegedly was importing or selling. A search of contact info, company names, or usernames can lead anywhere unexpectedly. If we only sleuth the details that LE releases, then this thread would have shut down after 3 or 4.

<bbm>

Combined with the fact we aren't basing the discussion on wilda$$ speculation, but on LE having commented on finding "dangerous and flammable" chemicals, and calling in Hazmat to deal with them:

from:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Vigil+held+missing+grandparents/10008295/story.html

2. A large quantity of chemicals have been found at the Garland acreage, and police will hold that property as long as necessary.

It&#8217;s not clear yet if the chemicals are related to normal farm operations, but they are considered dangerous and flammable, said Brookwell.

&#8220;We&#8217;re taking precautions at that site for our officers who are out there conducting the search and handling or looking at those chemicals.&#8221;

Chemical experts from the tactical unit are on scene assessing the chemicals today.

&#8220;It&#8217;s too early to say what they may be or what they may be used for,&#8221; Brookwell said.

Among other things, dangerous and flammable chemicals are used in the production of some drugs. I haven't seen anyone saying the victims were involved in drugs, but we know the accused perp has a history in that regard and that LE brought in a specialized unit to deal with them during the recent search of the property.

There is nothing to bar us from discussing what LE found and what has been reported in MSM. Under WS TOS, we don't tell other posters how to post or what to discuss

:tos: