Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #15

[Lalalacasbah]

I don't know if the following is what you were asking for help on....but it's long-winded *as you know I can be*L*...

Hubby was a computing/chemistry dual major in Uni in the UK...his family was in freight forwarding....aka middle man between companies in regards to shipping goods nationally as well as internationally....He covers all modes of transportation ...his speciality being ocean/air as well as HAZMAT *where his chemistry came in handy*. So this info is from him ....when I saw all the shipping terms...I went with the expert of 22 years

Here goes:
Simple explanation

EXW - Ex-works - means the shipper is not responsible for freight costs, the consignee aka buyer is.

DDU is 'Delivered Duty Unpaid'.
This means the buyer (DG) is responsible for customs, duties and taxes.

Anyone who is knowledgeable in the freight business would not use DDU and EXW in the same sentence as they are equivalent to the same commercial terms.

As a matter of fact, DDU stopped being used in 2010 and EXW is still in effect in the 2013 Geneva Incoterms.

Incoterms are the international standards of negotiation of freight costs.

MOQ stands for 'minimum order quantity' referring to minimum amount that can be ordered from the seller/shipper/supplier.

For example the company supplying the goods may require 10 cases minimum for order to be shipped. In this request DG is also asking for any discounts which would apply for buying in bulk.


Quality standards of 80% minimum content means the zinc phosphide he requires has to be comprised of at least 80% zinc.


Packing: Export Packaging

This means the package (individual tubs/pails) would be vacuum sealed and preferably placed on non-wooden pallets. If the preferred plastic pallets are not available, the wooden pallets must be fumigated so they don't carry eggs, larvae or insects themselves. The entire package is then shrink wrapped whether it is plastic or wooden pallets. This stops anything from moving/shifting on the pallet in transit, and causing spillage or breaking of contents. Because this product is considered HAZMAT, in addition, a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) must accompany the goods so in case of breakage, spillage etc. an emergency response plan can be used.

Once it hits Vancouver or whatever port it comes into...it is then considered 'travelling in bond' which means it hasn't cleared customs. (technically it's not in Canada yet even though it physically is...if that makes sense).

This package would travel by rail from Vancouver to Calgary, as bonded truck is rare & very expensive & all rail freight is bonded & cost effective. (I am not mentioning air travel at all because DG specified most economical freight option (ocean), not by air which is the most expensive).

Once it reaches it's destination of Calgary Terminal for CN or CP Rail...the consignee/buyer (DG aka Ranchland Equipment) is notified & he has to go to customs which coincidentally is at YYC.

He then produces the packing list & commercial invoice...he pays the customs clearance cost, duties & taxes...they stamp his paperwork as 'cleared'. He can then travel to the CN/CP terminal & then he can arrange delivery to where he wants it delivered or take it himself.

Hope this helps somewhat...clear as mud yes?

Wow LoriMcA, this is great!! Thanks for all the excellent dissecting of info, good stuff! :clap:

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

What sort of connection could the victims have to an illegal drug lab? As far as I can tell from reading about the case, the murders have nothing do to with drugs. There has been some suggestion that the motive might be related to a bad business deal .. but not a drug deal.

Shell companies can be used for laundering drug money regardless of the industry. There are potentially many twists and turns to this... or maybe there are none.

Imagine if your drug money was taken by the government throwing the shell into bankruptcy... no recourse in the courts, that's for sure. Anyone with a fertile mind can speculate the endless possible nefarious motives.

 

[Momma]

Just did another search of BC court records for MH and the following comes up in civil records:

https://eservice.ag.gov.bc.ca/cso/esearch/civil/searchPartyResult.do?serviceId=23001784

Haven't had time to thoroughly search on RN, the party named in the first case. but this comes up in a search on HU, the party named in the second case:

http://hk.linkedin.com/pub/hartmut-unger/11/74/b59?trk=pub-pbmap



A google of that persons email addy leads to:

https://agro.basf.ca/Weedmanagement/?gclid=CLmo_MqO38ACFUKCMgodUyQAhA

Things that make you go "hmmmm..." I noticed this weed management company has a product called "Heat". Could the t-shirt DG was wearing on his perp walk with the slogan "Feel the heat" have any significance?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Curious. Even if someone brutally murdered your child? You would be able to STILL have the same amount of compassion afforded say a loved one?

Yes. Or I would die trying. So, whatever happens to us in this life is an opportunity to grow as a human being...sometimes those things are extremely painful...I have not had the death of a child in my life but I have other terrible things happen to me...those things caused heart wrenching pain, physical, emotional and psychological damage and a lot of years of suffering...did I forgive, love and accept the offender. Yes, I have. Would I do it again? Yes, I would. I don't know how to be any other way...nor would I want to be. There's nothing good that comes of bitterness, anger and hate.
I think this is the last time I'm going to address comments or questions of such a personal nature, I don't have to qualify myself to anyone here.

 

[otto]

Designing and probably prototyping. Prototyping is mentioned in the Ranchland Equipment company info too. I wonder if DG did a lot of the idea/design and protoyping but didn't receive credit as been discussed here before.

Garland has some kind of machine or parts company, and some sort of chemical supply company. It reminds me of Alvin who had oil/gas companies and construction companies.

 

[Cherchri]

What sort of connection could the victims have to an illegal drug lab? As far as I can tell from reading about the case, the murders have nothing do to with drugs. There has been some suggestion that the motive might be related to a bad business deal .. but not a drug deal.

Just read that again. Drug lab not mentioned. Chemicals were mentioned. Chemicals could be related to the alleged murders.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

The accused is presumed innocent, but there's a good reason why he is now sitting in jail.

Agreed. I am saying that no person outside of the courtroom should be getting the guillotine ready...its not our job.

 

[otto]

Just read that again. Drug lab not mentioned. Chemicals were mentioned. Chemicals could be related to the alleged murders.

It's been suggested that Garland is currently involved in illegal drug activities. It has been suggested that even if this is going on, police would not lay charges because he is charged with murdering three people at a completely different location. That is not how it works.

If there is any evidence of illegal drug activity on the Airdrie acreage, Garland would be charged. He has not been charged, which means there is no evidence of illegal drug activity. It does not mean that there is evidence of illegal drug activity and that police have decided not to lay charges because Garland is charged with a completely different crime at a different location.

 

[news.talk]

Yes, I would. As would each member in my family. If this is so hard to believe, then society has a huge problem. Would I be hurt, angry, etc...YES! Would I have the ability to eventually forgive and be empathetic, kind and compassionate? YES!! Why? Because those in my family that were brutally murdered would expect that, and also because...harboring hatred, anger, bitterness, etc. Is like taking poison and expecting the other person to die. The only way to heal is thru forgiveness. And if you don't buy this, that's just too bad because THAT is who I am! I was brought up this way and have a huge capacity for love. There is nothing wrong with that...so pardon me if I don't apologize.

Furthermore, how do my morals and values affect this case? They don't.

Then you are a far better person than I. I have looked into the eyes of pure evil, seen too many child killers and depraved individuals that hold no remorse and would happily do it again. My compassion metre is clearly set on those that deserve compassion.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Then you are a far better person than I. I have looked into the eyes of pure evil, seen too many child killers and depraved individuals that hold no remorse and would happily do it again. My compassion metre is clearly set on those that deserve compassion.

Well...we all have our levels of tolerance and understanding. Seeing or experiencing pain and suffering harden some people, and for others it offers an opportunity to expand our capacity to be more loving, maybe to put forward some positive energy to help make the world a nicer place. Speaking in an altruistic sense...what we focus on expands...focus on anger...it just makes more anger...focus on love, it expands love. I believe that what we put out there (no matter what it is or for what reason)...its returned to us multiplied...so we all have to pick our poison so to speak. Fighting fire with fire is absolutely nonproductive and ineffective...just makes it bigger...
I often think of AL(Jr) and his appearance outside of the courthouse on July 14, he maintained composure and was still respectful towards DG...the news articles all claimed that he showed up in support of DG, but I'm not sure if that's true, but still...he certainly didn't say or do anything indicating a judgemental attitude...nor have RO or JO. There seems to be an absence of judgment. People are very capable of that level of compassion. JMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Garland has some kind of machine or parts company, and some sort of chemical supply company. It reminds me of Alvin who had oil/gas companies and construction companies.

Yeah DG, AL and KL's businesses all seem awfully similar. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it's quite a coincidence…

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It's been suggested that Garland is currently involved in illegal drug activities. It has been suggested that even if this is going on, police would not lay charges because he is charged with murdering three people at a completely different location. That is not how it works.

If there is any evidence of illegal drug activity on the Airdrie acreage, Garland would be charged. He has not been charged, which means there is no evidence of illegal drug activity. It does not mean that there is evidence of illegal drug activity and that police have decided not to lay charges because Garland is charged with a completely different crime at a different location.

I'm almost thinking maybe if DG wasn't involved in the organizing of drug related paper trails and shipping of equipment, that maybe he was only in the money laundering business via shell companies. But you're right, would these be separate charges or considered related to the crime and exposed at trial?

 

[news.talk]

Well...we all have our levels of tolerance and understanding. Seeing or experiencing pain and suffering harden some people, and for others it offers an opportunity to expand our capacity to be more loving, maybe to put forward some positive energy to help make the world a nicer place. Speaking in an altruistic sense...what we focus on expands...focus on anger...it just makes more anger...focus on love, it expands love. I believe that what we put out there (no matter what it is or for what reason)...its returned to us multiplied...so we all have to pick our poison so to speak. Fighting fire with fire is absolutely nonproductive and ineffective...just makes it bigger...
I often think of AL(Jr) and his appearance outside of the courthouse on July 14, he maintained composure and was still respectful towards DG...the news articles all claimed that he showed up in support of DG, but I'm not sure if that's true, but still...he certainly didn't say or do anything indicating a judgemental attitude...nor have RO or JO. There seems to be an absence of judgment. People are very capable of that level of compassion. JMO

I guess what I am saying is, compassion is a noble ideal but - Until it is TRULY tested, it is just that - an ideal. I was one of them UNTIL I saw the capacity for true evil.

While there are those people that walk amoung us, that genuinely love all, trust the systems of society for justice to prevail, there are also the rest of us - humans that are a product of our experiences, beliefs and upbringing, that harbour contempt, anger, pain and resolve, that cannot fathom anyone having compassion for those that walk among us that brutalize children, drive drunk, and murder without remorse to name a few.

 

[deugirtni]

Even if you were to potentially discover that some of the chemicals DG was selling in his P2 Solutions business did not have a likely use within a farm setting, that really doesn't prove anything at all. Many people have legitimate businesses which support their income requirements which involve selling items them have no use for at all within their own personal lives.

Perhaps not. That is one of the reasons I am trying to determine what other uses the chemicals might have. The zinc phosphate is obvious - it's a rodenticide and commonly used on farms for pest control. I am not sure as yet what other uses it might have. I believe it can be used for etching metals and cleaning rust off machinery.

 

[otto]

I'm almost thinking maybe if DG wasn't involved in the organizing of drug related paper trails and shipping of equipment, that maybe he was only in the money laundering business via shell companies. But you're right, would these be separate charges or considered related to the crime and exposed at trial?

I think it's very straight forward. If there was any evidence of illegal drug activity at the Airdrie property, Garland would be charged. Either there is evidence, or there isn't, but a drug lab in Airdrie is not related to murders in Parkhill. Evidence of a drug lab in Airdrie will not be introduced during a Calgary murder trial.

 

[news.talk]

I think it's very straight forward. If there was any evidence of illegal drug activity at the Airdrie property, Garland would be charged. Either there is evidence, or there isn't, but a drug lab in Airdrie is not related to murders in Parkhill. Evidence of a drug lab in Airdrie will not be introduced during a Calgary murder trial.

I agree. Drug charges would not hinder the prosecution and if there was evidence of such activities, charges would have been laid.

I don't think DG was manufacturing, however, it is possible he was involved to some degree, but not enough to lay formal charges.

As with any criminal that has advanced to murder, I believe his efforts laid elsewhere. As I have stated, this is not his first trip to the rodeo IMO.

 

[deugirtni]

This brings up something else that I noticed from his earlier arrest for same. Of course, nobody knows if this is a lie or not, but did anyone happen to notice this statement from the court documents from his EI judgement? (BBM):

.... He suffers from attention deficient disorder (ADD). ....
[3] Mr. Garland produced his own amphetamines. This somehow came to the attention of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). In 1992, they raided Mr. Garland's parents' farm. Mr. Garland was charged with an offence under, he believes, the Food and Drug Act. He was released on bail.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/tcc/doc/2005/2005tcc176/2005tcc176.html

First point.. is that ADD is treated with amphetamines. He said he was producing his own. I don't think we have seen any evidence or statements reporting that he was involved with the underworld, or hung out with unsavory characters, or was involved with selling street drugs?

Second point.. is that.. has anyone noticed how this fellow seems to have extremely bad luck when it comes to people calling in tips about him? In the same referenced court document above, it states that, "This somehow came to the attention of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). In 1992, they raided Mr. Garland's parents' farm." He was subsequently charged and got bail, then took off to BC, assumed a false identity and then he was again anonymously reported via a tip to crimestoppers, albeit 7 years later. Then this summer there is apparently a gruesome multiple homicide in a home in the area in which a green truck was seen, which matched his truck, and so this tip was also called in, and he was subsequently arrested. I wonder if all 3 tips could have been from the same individual, as each reportable instance came to her/his attention?

If there was any evidence of illegal drug manufacturing at the Airdrie acreage, wouldn't police have charged the accused with drug manufacturing rather than identity theft?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

This brings up something else that I noticed from his earlier arrest for same. Of course, nobody knows if this is a lie or not, but did anyone happen to notice this statement from the court documents from his EI judgement? (BBM):



http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/tcc/doc/2005/2005tcc176/2005tcc176.html

First point.. is that ADD is treated with amphetamines. He said he was producing his own. I don't think we have seen any evidence or statements reporting that he was involved with the underworld, or hung out with unsavory characters, or was involved with selling street drugs?

Second point.. is that.. has anyone noticed how this fellow seems to have extremely bad luck when it comes to people calling in tips about him? In the same referenced court document above, it states that, "This somehow came to the attention of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). In 1992, they raided Mr. Garland's parents' farm." He was subsequently charged and got bail, then took off to BC, assumed a false identity and then he was again anonymously reported via a tip to crimestoppers, albeit 7 years later. Then this summer there is apparently a gruesome multiple homicide in a home in the area in which a green truck was seen, which matched his truck, and so this tip was also called in, and he was subsequently arrested. I wonder if all 3 tips could have been from the same individual, as each reportable instance came to her/his attention?

Good point made by you! I wonder if it was the same person calling in the tips?

 

[Cherchri]

Even if you were to potentially discover that some of the chemicals DG was selling in his P2 Solutions business did not have a likely use within a farm setting, that really doesn't prove anything at all. Many people have legitimate businesses which support their income requirements which involve selling items them have no use for at all within their own personal lives.

Would I have to be motivated by needing to prove something or would it be in order to share information relative to the question someone asked up the thread ito of how DG made a living? I think if you read through my posts in this regard you will find that I have not once inferred that DG was making illicit drugs. I am going on a self-imposed time out. I have grown very tired of the pot shots that people are taking here. It's unpleasant and serves no useful purpose to anyone.

 

[Sillybilly]

What kind of factory has no phone, no address, and no email?

The kind you don't want people to know about :floorlaugh: