CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[su5ie]

I think it's critical to understand that meth use (what DM admitted to) and meth production (cooking it) are 2 completely different things.

You don't have to cook meth to use it. You can just buy it as a powder (similar to cocaine) and use it without ever cooking it and exposing household members to the toxic chemicals used to make it.

Does the fumes from smoking it expose family members to second hand effects similar to smoking cigarettes . Genuine question

And because I know nothing about the ways in which it is used , is it smoked in a pipe or snorted . If it is the latter I can see that you would be correct in your judgement of it having no physical effect chemically on family members

 

[Slebby]

Do you have a link for that article handy? Figured you might since you have the date of the article.

Months after Nova Scotia children vanished, a clearer picture emerges of their lives before their disappearance

There are still few answers about missing siblings Jack and Lilly Sullivan, but trauma and stigma have left their families and community farther apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Ontario Mom]

Does the fumes from smoking it expose family members to second hand effects similar to smoking cigarettes . Genuine question

And because I know nothing about the ways in which it is used , is it smoked in a pipe or snorted . If it is the latter I can see that you would be correct in your judgement of it having no physical effect chemically on family members

It can be ingested a number of ways, but the most basic is to snort it, the same as cocaine.

 

[su5ie]

It can be ingested a number of ways, but the most basic is to snort it, the same as cocaine.

Thank you

 

[katydid23]

I think it's critical to understand that meth use (what DM admitted to) and meth production (cooking it) are 2 completely different things.

You don't have to cook meth to use it. You can just buy it as a powder (similar to cocaine) and use it without ever cooking it and exposing household members to the toxic chemicals used to make it.

True. But it is still dangerous to have in the home in powered form. <modsnip: No source to information stated as fact>

And this is important to consider because they do not seem like parents who would intentionally harm their children. I just couldn't imagine either of them doing that. But accidental poisoning does seem like a sad possibility, imo.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

It can be ingested a number of ways, but the most basic is to snort it, the same as cocaine.

The country I live in meth is smoked through a glass pipe or off a glass lightbulb as the most common way.
Speed (amphetamine) is snorted however Meth (methamphetamine) is smoked/inhaled as stated above (in the country I live in - not sure about Canada) .

 

[Ontario Mom]

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I'm not quite sure how this thread got this far, since I'm not aware of any MSM that even suggested DM was cooking (producing) meth. As far as I understand it, DM only admitted to being a user.

 

[Ontario Mom]

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In this particular case, we have zero fact based evidence from LE or MSM that anyone was cooking meth.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Please move on from the rampant and unsupported speculation about meth being involved in the disappearance of Jack and Lilly.

Mods, Admins, including Tricia herself have had to remove posts where the speculation about meth is is not in line with Websleuths Victim Friendly policy:

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[Beans]

I think DM is potentially the sort of individual who believes he can talk his way out of anything. He's done a lot of talking and I haven't really ever understood why he wants to do that.

That Globe & Mail piece is superb. Fascinating insight.

 

[su5ie]

I think DM is potentially the sort of individual who believes he can talk his way out of anything. He's done a lot of talking and I haven't really ever understood why he wants to do that.

That Globe & Mail piece is superb. Fascinating insight.

Agree he has given a lot of personal info that doesn't really pertain to the case . I feel he is trying to say " look at me I'm an open book " he has actually stated this in not so many words when he says I've given LE everything.

I think when you contrast his openness with the closed door approach by others it gives the impression of one innocent, one guilty but in my mind it just comes across as both are suffering, one is just more of a talker .

In actual fact , over sharing can be a sign of mental disorders and distress .

 

[su5ie]

I wonder are the cadaver dogs out today or will they be held off till next weekend. I keep checking for updates ,anybody have any info from local radio stations or media outlets

 

[MistyWaters]

I wonder are the cadaver dogs out today or will they be held off till next weekend. I keep checking for updates ,anybody have any info from local radio stations or media outlets

No updates. The RCMP announced they would be not be disclosing when or where the cadaver searches were taking place and I’d imagine locals will respect their privacy.

 

[Bigditch]

Months after Nova Scotia children vanished, a clearer picture emerges of their lives before their disappearance

There are still few answers about missing siblings Jack and Lilly Sullivan, but trauma and stigma have left their families and community farther apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

Paywalled

 

[LadyL]

Wow, thanks for sharing this, su5ie!!

I wasn't aware DM had written this, about having info that would point fingers.

And wonder if "it's complicated" as to why he hasn't.

JMO, the plot keeps on thickening...

what did DM write? I looked at the quoted post and don't see the info

 

[LadyL]

This is pure speculation, moo, and not to imply that mom actually knows anything. More of a "what if" that has been on my mind for a long time in this case.

I am not a mother.

There was a lot of talk about how rapidly mom left the property. If one knew, as a mother, that something terrible happened (not necessarily with your involvement), and that your children's bodies were at a location, would you want to stay close because at least they were there, or get away because of the horror of it? I honestly do not know how I would feel, not having any children myself.

I can't imagine wanting to go anywhere else unless, of course, I were afraid of other people that live there.

 

[Andreee]

I can't imagine wanting to go anywhere else unless, of course, I were afraid of other people that live there.

From what I've read early on, the mother was told to leave their property by D's family due to a conflict at the time.

 

[sunspun]

From what I've read early on, the mother was told to leave their property by D's family due to a conflict at the time.

I thought it was actually D's mother ordering M's family off her property (because they were insinuating that D was somehow responsible for the children being missing or maybe even outright accusing D of harming them?) But I didn't think D's mother included M in that. I thought M probably left with them then though.

 

[sunspun]

I thought it was actually D's mother ordering M's family off her property (because they were insinuating that D was somehow responsible for the children being missing or maybe even outright accusing D of harming them?) But I didn't think D's mother included M in that. I thought M probably left with them then though.

Replying to myself to add... but as soon as M got away from D and was settled in with her own family, she immediately blocked D on SM. So it sounds like she felt more solidarity with her own family than with D, at that moment. Which would make sense that she left voluntarily to go to her own family.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

OR.... he is completely, totally, 100% confident because he knows with a sure certainty that they are elsewhere....

True, that could be another possibility, even if a hunch of his, he seems so certain.

I think there's a whole constellation of reasons why he could be so certain.... but it seems like he wants people to know there is nothing "sus" on his property based on his searches and he did a good job, and if he says "they are not here anywhere, I checked and I would know!!" it heads off speculation, could be one reason.

MBM was with the toddler in bed and he could have yelled at the kids to be quiet, unbarred the door that was barred to keep bears out (?), went back to bed, and been half awake when he heard noises way off in the distance, and was too out of it/half asleep/nodding off cuz the kids were finally quiet, and so tired from staying up late working on the fence and working a graveyard shift earlier in that week IIRC, he was just too zonked out to be paying attention -- while inside before they realized it had gone quiet and they were gone.

While outside searching after they vanished, I think that's what he is so surefire about having checked everywhere. But he could have been yelling for them and frantic or mad "they had wandered off'' without waking up their parents to tell them, which could have been distracting in terms of doing a very thorough search, but he said so just the same.

In terms of "not telling their parents" or sneaking out, I don't think I've considered much before whether there could have been someone who came to the door/peeked in or they saw out the window or when they opened the door to see what it was like out after breakfast, and they were quiet making "shush" signs, as in "shhh, don't wake mom & dad & baby..."

Could someone have motioned them over or asked them to come out to play, or had a box of donuts or a new kind of candy or a toy, or a bunny or a puppy, or something / anything appealing to little kids....

And they followed that person or decided to walk into town on their own to get some goodies too?

Or walk to the bus stop, not knowing it wouldn't always be there at more than one time in the morning for pickup, like in the city where they come all the time?

Or they knew the bus came back from dropping the kids off at school in the morning going the opposite way some time later to go back to the bus yard, and were hoping to see them coming back and going in the opposite direction at the time a bit later in the morning, and went running out to wave hi or try to "catch the bus?

These types of scenarios could fit if:

(a) They knew the bus route and when it would typically pass by after school drop off going back where it started from, and In some rural areas the bus company lets the driver take the bus, if a smaller one or a "jitney" as they call them there, home with them, so the route back could have been out that way / in their neighborhood and not all the way back into town. So when they were "home sick" and bored, they could have wanted to wave hi as it went by back the other way.

(b) They knew people/other kids who came around now and again who might have been visiting the neighbors or DM's mother or brother, all on the same property, or was a regular delivery person, or someone in the area, who if they missed the bus on other occasions and would have said hi to them and aww shucks, you missed the bus? You're not in school today? You going back home? And then went on about their business being used to seeing them around.

I don't think them "going outside for a reason" and then getting distracted and then getting lost has been ruled out by LE.

Just upthread last week I posted a link to an MSM article from June that said LE will not disclose if Lilly and Jack had contact with anyone else in the days leading up to (or on the day of) their disappearance.

As in, it didn't have to be an abduction right off the property as LE has said there is no evidence of (under their sleeping parent's noses / out of earshot), but a "luring off" of them, which started innocently, if they were bored at having to be quiet and then got excited about something, went outside, and got lost

DM said he thought he heard a scream after LE started searching, but it was drowned out by helicopters.

So that would have been within one to a few hours of them going outside and "wandering" unbeknownst to their parents.

And with their small kid-sized gaits, they would not have made it very far if walking in that amount of time, so could have been close enough if it was them that DM could hear them or Lilly screaming.

If he did think he heard screaming, even if drowned out, I assume he told LE, and they looked into it somehow.

All "coulds" and IMO.