Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #15

[LoisLane]

I have a question. If DG is under suicide watch would the psychiatric evaluation already be determined and possibly finalized?

 

[LoisLane]

Sam's picture didn't help. I'm still a no.

Baha! I agree, however his voice is captivating, I just had to find the Dodge Truck commercial.

Lalalacasbah, my post yesterday was definetly a compliment!

 

[otto]

I have a question. If DG is under suicide watch would the psychiatric evaluation already be determined and possibly finalized?

I would be surprised if there has been an official psych eval.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I completely agree. The defence lawyer has a couple of hundred clients, and his only job is to present a defence for his client based on the information provided by: his client, the prosecution, and the law. It is not his job to investigate, imagine, or postulate. Someone like Jose Baez would be out of a job in Canada because Canadian lawyers have to know the law and they are confined by facts.

It is not uncommon for lawyers to hire private investigators to aid in their client's defence.

 

[otto]

It is not uncommon for lawyers to hire private investigators to aid in their client's defence.

Does that accused have money for that?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Sam's picture didn't help. I'm still a no.

Just wait....after staring into Sam's eyes long enough, you may fall under his spell lol! Look what sillybilly started! Yes, I blame sillybilly for the onslaught of Sam Elliott dialogue on here hahahaha

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Baha! I agree, however his voice is captivating, I just had to find the Dodge Truck commercial.

Lalalacasbah, my post yesterday was definetly a compliment!

Awesome *high 5* to some good humor in here keep us all from getting *too serious*, otherwise I'd be crying every day about poor NO.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Does that accused have money for that?

That's the million dollar question... so to speak... we've speculated ad nauseam about everyone's finances here. For what it's worth, I haven't seen any fundraisers from that side of the family, they own a large piece of land, and DG's company ads boast of relatively high revenue. I can't speak to what the Government's financial obligations are if a lawyer is being provided for him, that might be something worth looking into. It may have to include the expense of a private investigator to ensure a fair trial.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I would be surprised if there has been an official psych eval.

I would almost think it's a required protocol amongst admission and initial processing for most offenders going to maximum security atmosphere, wouldn't it? I'm going to try to find out...

 

[deugirtni]

I'm assuming paid for by you and I, and all of us.

Does that accused have money for that?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Just wait....after staring into Sam's eyes long enough, you may fall under his spell lol! Look what sillybilly started! Yes, I blame sillybilly for the onslaught of Sam Elliott dialogue on here hahahaha

That still didn't work... however, I should qualify that I am male, straight, and am probably falling victim to my competitive cave-male programming... I could simply be ramming my virtual horns by voting no. Damn you Sam Elliot. You win again.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I would be surprised if there has been an official psych eval.

I found this info, interesting:
" The hallmark of the Strategy is its plan to provide a continuum of mental health care from admission to release into the community and up to the end of an offender's sentence.

The Strategy provides that all offenders are screened for mental health problems on admission and receive an in-depth assessment, if warranted. Much as people with mental illnesses in the community are generally managed by community based services and providers, most offenders with mental health problems are placed in regular institutions where they can access psychological as well as other mental health services. For those offenders with acute or demanding mental health needs, there are in patient settings at Regional Treatment Centres — psychiatric hospitals whose catchment’s area happens to be the other prisons in the region." (BBM)


Key words being: 'if warranted'. I'm wondering what criteria is required
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/health/002006-0003-eng.shtml

 

[LoisLane]

That still didn't work... however, I should qualify that I am male, straight, and am probably falling victim to my competitive cave-male programming... I could simply be ramming my virtual horns by voting no. Damn you Sam Elliot. You win again.

OH my gosh! This made my day... I honestly thought you were female...lol!!!

 

[otto]

I'm assuming paid for by you and I, and all of us.

Why would legal aid provide money for a private investigator? That's not part of a normal defence.

 

[news.talk]

I found this info, interesting:
" The hallmark of the Strategy is its plan to provide a continuum of mental health care from admission to release into the community and up to the end of an offender's sentence.

The Strategy provides that all offenders are screened for mental health problems on admission and receive an in-depth assessment, if warranted. Much as people with mental illnesses in the community are generally managed by community based services and providers, most offenders with mental health problems are placed in regular institutions where they can access psychological as well as other mental health services. For those offenders with acute or demanding mental health needs, there are in patient settings at Regional Treatment Centres — psychiatric hospitals whose catchment’s area happens to be the other prisons in the region." (BBM)


Key words being: 'if warranted'. I'm wondering what criteria is required
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/health/002006-0003-eng.shtml

It is my understanding that the mental health assessment that one is given in jail/prison, is to determine the levels for supervision in suicide watch. It is not used for defence purposes when determining mental fitness to stand trial. That is done through asking the court - A court ordered, SPECIFIC assessment.

 

[deugirtni]

Just a question.. those 2 new cases which Sillybilly noted the other day involving DG, they were civil cases (I think?) from BC? As I understand it, only BC and Quebec list their cases online? But if there is a conviction in a criminal case, it is public knowledge, correct? But I suppose one would have to go to the actual courthouse to get any paperwork/information? What about civil cases? Same thing? And if someone is 'charged, but not 'convicted' (or whatever it is called if it is a civil case?), I suppose there would be nothing shown until the matter was resolved one way or the other?

Someone mentioned on here a long time ago, that perhaps DG was so upset about the patent thing and felt he had no recourse when/if he found out the Ls had no assets/were bankrupts, and were about to leave the country. But it seems DG is comfortable in accessing the court system in regard to his 'rights'. So why not take AL through the court system.... but... perhaps he WAS, but it takes awhile, I'm sure.. and then, as mentioned, he discovered that AL's business, as well as KL personally, were bankrupt, and the plans were to leave the country shortly. There would be no way to find out whether he had initiated a civil case, before it was dealt with in a court, is that right?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

OH my gosh! This made my day... I honestly thought you were female...lol!!!

So much for that Elsbeth Tascioni-like voice in everyone's head then...

 

[winnnancy]

I would be surprised if there has been an official psych eval.

If I was sitting with a client against whom there was simply circumstantial evidence, if it were weak, I might be inclined to go pro-active and present a most cooperative, Boy Scout of a client.
If the best defense is sometimes a great offense....
I think if it becomes questionable then, there might be a request for more time, an evaluation etc etc.
The appearance may be quite telling tomorrow!
( I too thought it was Thursday for some strange reason)

 

[Cherchri]

If I was sitting with a client against whom there was simply circumstantial evidence, if it were weak, I might be inclined to go pro-active and present a most cooperative, Boy Scout of a client.
If the best defense is sometimes a great offense....
I think if it becomes questionable then, there might be a request for more time, an evaluation etc etc.
The appearance may be quite telling tomorrow!
( I too thought it was Thursday for some strange reason)

Not a word in MSM today about his scheduled appearance. Hmmmmm. I am going nonetheless and hoping the case forges ahead now.

 

[winnnancy]

I found this info, interesting:
" The hallmark of the Strategy is its plan to provide a continuum of mental health care from admission to release into the community and up to the end of an offender's sentence.

The Strategy provides that all offenders are screened for mental health problems on admission and receive an in-depth assessment, if warranted. Much as people with mental illnesses in the community are generally managed by community based services and providers, most offenders with mental health problems are placed in regular institutions where they can access psychological as well as other mental health services. For those offenders with acute or demanding mental health needs, there are in patient settings at Regional Treatment Centres — psychiatric hospitals whose catchment’s area happens to be the other prisons in the region." (BBM)


Key words being: 'if warranted'. I'm wondering what criteria is required
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/health/002006-0003-eng.shtml

They can only wholly evaluate psychiatric status/ needs if someone is cooperative and communicative.
If he was withdrawn and uncommunicative, stuck to himself etc, it would be noted but unless he was harming himself eg: not attending to hygiene needs, not eating, painting his cell in stool or picking fights with other people, - they couldn't identify him as having a need to be followed or evaluated by psychiatry