Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #16

[Cherchri]

Thank you, Cherchri. I don't remember much if anything reported about that SUV, aside from the sleuther's observations...but maybe it went over my head. My mind keeps wanting to tie that in and make some sense of it in terms of this case.

"A black SUV was found near a pond in the area and became the focus of the search for a time on Monday as investigators tried to determine if it was relevent to the case. So far there has been no information released on what if anything has been found on or near the property."

Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-em...issing-calgary-family-1.1902646#ixzz3Dm7CayBR. Ok so this is from MMS who could have got it wrong but it has bothered me evermore!

 

[ABro]

Funny how people come at things from a different perspective. To me nothing fell in anyone's lap.

The police wasted days looking for people from the estate sale.

Presumably none of the Liknes family -- at least the ones they were actively talking to -- recognized the truck so they had to go public almost a week later.

The truck got immediate results which led to the farm, but no smoking gun. The suspect was released on bail, again days later.

So, again, nothing falling in anyone's lap. Just the opposite from my point of view.

The original theory was the estate sale. The police pivoted when they learned of the family connection. Where's the tunnel vision?

As for the chemicals, none of us have the foggiest whether that's evidence or not. Police have neither said nor leaked anything so hard to see how they can be accused of tunnel vision for that.

I just don't see any case for a malicious prosecution. That said, I have no idea how strong or flimsy the evidence is.

For me, so far anyway, it is just too good to be true, and that old saying, 'if it seems too good to be true, it probably is'.. to me, too much fell immediately into LE's lap.. and so based on that, to me, that is why LE deployed so many resources to that property, because they felt certain there had to be more, this couldn't have just been a coincidence, right?.. and to say they have voluminous evidence, but yet still no smoking gun, can simply mean things like... they recovered barrels of chemicals, chemicals which perhaps *could* be used for destroying bodies.

I, personally, IMOO, am having difficulty because I know that if LE has a theory, they sometimes pursue a case with the theory in mind, matching the details to the theory, discarding the details which don't fit the theory, rather than the other way around. For me, just because LE thinks it was one way, doesn't make it true, with all due respect to LE. Sometimes when you're in the midst of something, it's harder to be unbiased. I want a smoking gun. I want *something* more.. and I realize they cannot disclose what they have. I hope they have it.

Did I mention the Audrey Gleave case in Ancaster/Lynden ON a few years ago, when LE put their sights on a homeless man as the suspect? MSM were being vultures in the way they were reporting about the suspect, and I'm surprised if they don't, or didn't already, get sued in a big way for the things that were said on air at the time. The community was all for hanging the guy, he was not well liked, he was 'weird', most people knew of him. With small communities, everyone thinks they know everyone else's business. What better suspect than someone who doesn't fit in? In the end, the judge ruled not enough evidence for conviction, and so the accused was released. And that brutal murder of a single retired woman remains unsolved to this day. I can't help feeling that if LE did a more thorough job in collecting all kinds of evidence and interviewing all kinds of people, instead of setting their sights on the 'weird homeless guy', they could have had another suspect, perhaps the real killer, and perhaps the community would be rid of a really nasty murderer who is still loose out there. LE were upset with the judge's ruling, and it was like they then gave up completely on the case. We read later that some of the victim's contacts were not even contacted by LE. Why contact them if they didn't fit with LE's homeless guy theory?

Then this Millard case happens, where the man also has acreage, and then it is deemed that perhaps he not only killed Bosma, but also his ex gf and his own father. I'm *getting* that LE are taking hints from other cases, that often there is more to be found from the suspect they have in mind, if only they look hard enough. So great, but I really hope it doesn't relieve them of looking also down other avenues.

 

[Sillybilly]

A and K's obit from the Calgary Herald http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/calgaryherald/obituary.aspx?n=alvin-liknes&pid=172509237&fhid=18552

Wow !! Thanks for that kdg ... they sound like two very special people and such a beautiful couple.

 

[deugirtni]

Sorry sillybilly, I thought that when DS was released, it was his 'prelim hearing', but you could be right, it could have been just at his regular court date or a special court date for that reason? I will find the article I'm referring to regarding LE being upset with that.

<rsbm>

I was on AG's thread from the very beginning and throughout until it was recently closed down.

For the record, the above statements are simply untrue. There was no trial resulting in a judge making any ruling ... as soon as forensic evidence was found NOT to match DLS, the charges were withdrawn by the Crown and he was immediately released. There was no trial or any ruling by any judge. The system simply worked

Also, don't know where you are getting that LE was upset with a judge's ruling because there was no ruling.

 

[Power of Two]

A and K's obit from the Calgary Herald http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/calgaryherald/obituary.aspx?n=alvin-liknes&pid=172509237&fhid=18552

Whoa! That is a beautifully written and touching obituary. They were obviously highly regarded and loved.

 

[Cherchri]

Whoa! That is a beautifully written and touching obituary. They were obviously highly regarded and loved.

Beautiful and a reminder of the significant loss this family has suffered.

 

[Krystine]

Beautiful and a reminder of the significant loss this family has suffered.

Is that your grandbunnie Cherchri? And wait... is that SNOW in the background?

 

[Cherchri]

Is that your grandbunnie Cherchri? And wait... is that SNOW in the background?

So amazing K. That's exactly what I called him...my grand bun. He was my son's pet when he was a college student and came to visit me on occasion. Mr Sniffems. Sadly he had a seizure and passed away on Easter Sunday (how ironic is that) - that was Easter 2013. My son was devastated - like me he is an animal lover of note. No snow in the background - that was in Cape Town. Believe it or not they had a heavy snowfall there this winter and I wasn't there to enjoy it. We had a major snowfall in a Calgary last week.... Trees down everywhere, no power for 8 hours on Tues and now it's stinking hot again.

 

[stan laurel]

I agree Deugirtni (geez that's hard to spell). Do you know what else stands out to me? DG's demeanor in all of this. He seems so calm. He doesn't seem to be scared. Most people I would think would be scared, or cocky if they were guilty. JMO

He also seems a little sulky, kinda like the friend who is really high on themselves about how well read they are and how many straight A's they got and then you beat them twice in a row in Chess, and it doesn't compute that those they held as so base could beat their superior knowledge in Chess. The sore loser who can only justify their losing by their opponents Fluke. When in truth it was a loss due to not thinking it all thru.

For those who do like to play Chess, look up Kasparovs opening move and the three moves to follow when he played the computer Deep Blue (which was really 30 programmers inputting). Anyways, take his first 4 moves and play them against anyone,, it will throw a serious wrench into a persons thought pattern and also make for an interesting game.

 

[LoisLane]

Two vehicle thefts in a given area doesn't necessarily mean both done by same person? Nor that the residential break-in was also connected with one or both of the vehicle thefts? I wonder if the crime/theft incidences increased due to the Stampede going on?

I think it would be impossible for one person to steal two vehicles at the same time, if we rely on the crime map it shows two crimes where 2 vehicles were stolen from the same place at the same time and it also shows a residential break-in at the same time/place. As a comparison, if you look at the crime map the 2 homicides are marked as being at one location and happening at one time. The crimes do not show an increase during Stampede. However, as I know was mentioned way back the media attention and police presence in Parkhill as of June 30th would have deterred most criminal activity.

 

[LoisLane]

I had assumed it was a LE vehicle. A possible reason for the doors to be open would be because they were accessing things inside the truck (such as evidence bags, markers, maybe a camera?) and also putting things into the truck. Leaving the doors open is easier than opening and closing, opening and closing. Just an idea based on my thinking it looked like a LE vehicle.

IMHO

I have read reports of criminals who buy used police cars at auction for various reasons. I can post links if anyone is interested.

 

[LoisLane]

A and K's obit from the Calgary Herald http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/calgaryherald/obituary.aspx?n=alvin-liknes&pid=172509237&fhid=18552

Such a beautiful tribute. I love it.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Oh no! I didn't think you were questioning my post...lol. And even if you were, no worries...that's what we all do here!
You didn't in the least sound snarky...mine must have for you to have reacted this way...sorry about that! No intention to put anyone on the defensive.
I was just 'talking' to you...that's how I talk...lol...better have a look at that...lol

Haha yours didn't sound snarky either, so it's all good!

 

[LoisLane]

LIKNES, Alvin Cecil & Kathryn FayeAlvin Cecil Liknes was born on June 22nd, 1948 in Coronation, Alberta. He was an original thinker who listened with interest and attention to whomever was speaking. Intelligent and sensitive: Alvin believed in human rights. He believed in efficiency and thinking things through. He invented stuff. He took chances. Alvin rode alpine skis, cross-country skis and water skis. He drove Boogie Vans, Impalas, Porsches and Sidewinders. He took lessons on how to fly a plane, how to jump from a plane and how to dive down deep in the dark blue sea. He played hockey, coached soccer and had a squash serve that could knock you flat. Alvin was a guy who stayed on top of the household laundry. He loved wide-open spaces and clear starry nights. When he hugged his children they could feel his love and pride for them radiating like the sun. He commented with wonder on his wife's beauty (both inside and out) and he loved to walk with her. A kind, quick-witted, gracious, loyal and wise son, brother, uncle, father and grandfather, Alvin's fortitude is our backbone and will guide us always.

Kathryn Faye Liknes was born on April 5th, 1961 in Calgary, Alberta. If you needed an opinion, childcare, a dog-sitter, directions, a hug, a ride, a kind word, a nail file, romantic advice, supper, help finding your keys/coat/boots or mittens, she was always there. She earned certificates in web design, graphic design, online publishing and a license to sell real estate. She had the true spirit of an entrepreneur and the bravest of hearts. She approached all culinary and craft projects with joy and abandon. Animals were safe with Kathy. Her heart pinned firmly to her sleeve, Kathryn accepted people without prejudice or judgment. She loved the holidays and worked hard to make every one feel special. A fierce and watchful mother, Kathy's children (and her grandchildren) knew how much she loved them. She loved to dance, but most of all she loved to dance with her husband Alvin. A devoted daughter, sister, aunt, mother and grandmother, Kathryn filled our lives with her strength, her laughter, her passion and her love and we will hold her light in our hearts evermore. Kathryn and Alvin's mortal bodies were taken too soon but they have gone to the light now and their Spirit lives on in us forever. A Celebration of their Lives will be held at First Alliance Church (12345 &#8211; 40 Street SE) on Saturday, September 27, 2014 at 10:00 a.m. Condolences may be forwarded to the family by visiting www.edenbrookcemetery.ca. Arrangements entrusted to EDEN BROOK FUNERAL HOME AND RECEPTION CENTRE (17th Avenue SW and Lower Springbank Rd). - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/ca...pid=172509237&fhid=18552#sthash.iMpMFRcq.dpuf


This obituary can speak volumes and I hope DG has had a chance to read it. Do they have copies of the newspaper in jail? If so, I hope these points I have bolded stand out to him because for me it is a message that these two human beings lost their lives over something so unreasonable. A cowardly murderer seems to take justification in his pettiness. This testimony describes how they lived and how they treated people. Alvin invented stuff if that was the motive for DG I hope he understands that it was just that - stuff. I hope it makes him angry and he slips - fast.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

My understanding is that Legal Aid has a finite monetary ceiling, as well. However... wasn't the Picton trial paid for by Legal Aid? I shudder thinking about how much money that trial racked up! So happy to see our tax dollars hard at work... I am friends with a high profile mother and advocate of one of Picton's victims. Her daughter was one of the group he was formally charged with murdering. There is still bitterness and incredulity regarding just how much time and money the families had to spend to find some small justice vs how much was spent on Picton's defense (and subsequent keep) via the tax payer.

How terrible for the Pickton victim's families. What a horrendous nightmare. He might be in prison the rest of his natural born life but it still doesn't seem like justice enough IMO. We treat our criminals better than our poor and homeless, something's wrong with that. JMO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

He also seems a little sulky, kinda like the friend who is really high on themselves about how well read they are and how many straight A's they got and then you beat them twice in a row in Chess, and it doesn't compute that those they held as so base could beat their superior knowledge in Chess. The sore loser who can only justify their losing by their opponents Fluke. When in truth it was a loss due to not thinking it all thru.

For those who do like to play Chess, look up Kasparovs opening move and the three moves to follow when he played the computer Deep Blue (which was really 30 programmers inputting). Anyways, take his first 4 moves and play them against anyone,, it will throw a serious wrench into a persons thought pattern and also make for an interesting game.

Yeah, I don't think he's calm (sorry Tinker!), I think he's detached, removed and probably doesn't feel much emotion IMO. And good analogy Stan! From reading AL and KL's obit it sounds like AL was larger than life in a way, and I believe AL will be final winner in this when justice prevails, and DG still the loser.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

LIKNES, Alvin Cecil & Kathryn FayeAlvin Cecil Liknes was born on June 22nd, 1948 in Coronation, Alberta. He was an original thinker who listened with interest and attention to whomever was speaking. Intelligent and sensitive: Alvin believed in human rights. He believed in efficiency and thinking things through. He invented stuff. He took chances. Alvin rode alpine skis, cross-country skis and water skis. He drove Boogie Vans, Impalas, Porsches and Sidewinders. He took lessons on how to fly a plane, how to jump from a plane and how to dive down deep in the dark blue sea. He played hockey, coached soccer and had a squash serve that could knock you flat. Alvin was a guy who stayed on top of the household laundry. He loved wide-open spaces and clear starry nights. When he hugged his children they could feel his love and pride for them radiating like the sun. He commented with wonder on his wife's beauty (both inside and out) and he loved to walk with her. A kind, quick-witted, gracious, loyal and wise son, brother, uncle, father and grandfather, Alvin's fortitude is our backbone and will guide us always.

Kathryn Faye Liknes was born on April 5th, 1961 in Calgary, Alberta. If you needed an opinion, childcare, a dog-sitter, directions, a hug, a ride, a kind word, a nail file, romantic advice, supper, help finding your keys/coat/boots or mittens, she was always there. She earned certificates in web design, graphic design, online publishing and a license to sell real estate. She had the true spirit of an entrepreneur and the bravest of hearts. She approached all culinary and craft projects with joy and abandon. Animals were safe with Kathy. Her heart pinned firmly to her sleeve, Kathryn accepted people without prejudice or judgment. She loved the holidays and worked hard to make every one feel special. A fierce and watchful mother, Kathy's children (and her grandchildren) knew how much she loved them. She loved to dance, but most of all she loved to dance with her husband Alvin. A devoted daughter, sister, aunt, mother and grandmother, Kathryn filled our lives with her strength, her laughter, her passion and her love and we will hold her light in our hearts evermore. Kathryn and Alvin's mortal bodies were taken too soon but they have gone to the light now and their Spirit lives on in us forever. A Celebration of their Lives will be held at First Alliance Church (12345 &#8211; 40 Street SE) on Saturday, September 27, 2014 at 10:00 a.m. Condolences may be forwarded to the family by visiting www.edenbrookcemetery.ca. Arrangements entrusted to EDEN BROOK FUNERAL HOME AND RECEPTION CENTRE (17th Avenue SW and Lower Springbank Rd). - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/ca...pid=172509237&fhid=18552#sthash.iMpMFRcq.dpuf


This obituary can speak volumes and I hope DG has had a chance to read it. Do they have copies of the newspaper in jail? If so, I hope these points I have bolded stand out to him because for me it is a message that these two human beings lost their lives over something so unreasonable. A cowardly murderer seems to take justification in his pettiness. This testimony describes how they lived and how they treated people. Alvin invented stuff if that was the motive for DG I hope he understands that it was just that - stuff. I hope it makes him angry and he slips - fast.

Agreed. They sound like very charismatic, energetic people with infectious personalities who as you said, are deeply loved.

 

[Krystine]

So amazing K. That's exactly what I called him...my grand bun. He was my son's pet when he was a college student and came to visit me on occasion. Mr Sniffems. Sadly he had a seizure and passed away on Easter Sunday (how ironic is that) - that was Easter 2013. My son was devastated - like me he is an animal lover of note. No snow in the background - that was in Cape Town. Believe it or not they had a heavy snowfall there this winter and I wasn't there to enjoy it. We had a major snowfall in a Calgary last week.... Trees down everywhere, no power for 8 hours on Tues and now it's stinking hot again.

I'll say, I'm not sure why it thought it was your grand bunnie Maybe there's more than one intuitive reader on here ! Sorry Tink'.
What a sad ending for a bunny... to pass away on Easter Sunday! More proof that our creator has a decent sense of humor.
I heard about the snow in Alberta, my grandsons were playing football in it!
Still do miss Alberta, regardless...

 

[Krystine]

How terrible for the Pickton victim's families. What a horrendous nightmare. He might be in prison the rest of his natural born life but it still doesn't seem like justice enough IMO. We treat our criminals better than our poor and homeless, something's wrong with that. JMO.

I have a concern for the way LE dismissed early reports of what Picton was doing, and also for the way 'we', (society) values some lives over others. I'm not of aboriginal descent, but had an opportunity to work with many families in what was probably the worst part of their lives. There is a lot of dysfunction, definitely, and many outcomes are very predictable due to lifestyles.
I also feel a little guilty sometimes that there isn't at least one thread anywhere on here regarding any of those missing women.
Rant over. Sorry to get off topic, but any mention of that person gives me the willies.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I have a concern for the way LE dismissed early reports of what Picton was doing, and also for the way 'we', (society) values some lives over others. I'm not of aboriginal descent, but had an opportunity to work with many families in what was probably the worst part of their lives. There is a lot of dysfunction, definitely, and many outcomes are very predictable due to lifestyles.
I also feel a little guilty sometimes that there isn't at least one thread on here regarding any of those missing women.
Rant over. Sorry to get off topic, but any mention of that person gives me the willies.

So true, people conveniently turn a blind eye. Back in my wild days in my 20s living in Vancouver my boyfriend was a musician who played in nicer bars and not so nice bars and I followed along. One night was at one of the known hotels in the heart of the lower east side, and I sat there alone while he played (a little scared but I felt pretty street smart and a few beers helped lol!)

I shared a table with a heroin addicted prostitute (and mother who didn't have custody) and her father figure like friend. They were just like anyone I've encountered at bars except of course, they were drug addicts on a different social level and in a way, living in a different world than most of us. But as an outsider looking in (maybe with rose colored glasses) and visitor in their world that night, I noticed the people there had a bond, a sense of community and treated each other with respect. They seem to really look after each other.

I saw one guy give his last cigarette to a buddy and I was a smoker then and wouldn't have even given my last one to my friend (might've shared though lol) and I knew I'd be buying more at another time but most of those people didn't know where their next anything would come from. It really changed my perception of street people, and I always wonder what ever happened to that girl, she was just as much human as the rest of us. Damn that Pickton, so sad. Sorry for my rant too!