Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #16

[LoisLane]

Or someone could have engaged DG's assistance? I ask for reasons I won't share right now. Having seen DG up close and personal and bearing in mind we have discussed this at length..... One of the reasons is his physicality. He is literally my size. I am strong and have managed to figure out ways to move very heavy objects over the years but with stress and the risk of being caught, I just can't imagine how he could have managed alone. We are given to believe there are no other POI's but I'm scratching my head.

Very interesting! I think I know who Stan Laurel is thinking of, I wonder if it is the same with you. I would suggest a PM with Stan Laurel.

 

[LoriMcA]

I'm interested to know how many here think more than one person committed this crime? If you don't think DG did this alone, how many people do you think were involved? If you are going with more than one, who do you suspect?

I have all kinds of theories...haha...many many rolling around my head...

If it was DG....I go back and forth with 'alone' (because he doesn't really seem to associate with others...as far as we know)

Or with another ....*I think because of the description you've given us...not a large man...not frail but smaller build.... & 3 people murdered...1 being a fairly large man in 'their territory' so to speak...their home*...the other person tho? ....I have no idea 'who' that might be...because of my first reason above....who would he be 'in kahoots' with when he 'seems' to be such a loner?

On the other hand....if it wasn't him....I have 2 people I have my hinky meter going off about....but I would definitely be snipped....so I will keep that to myself

The one thing I will say...& I've thought all along is....money.

ETA: One thing I will say tho....I most definitely...absolutely....do NOT think JO or RO are involved in any way shape or form. I would bet my life they are NOT. no way no how...JMOO

 

[LoisLane]

Of course so why am I even thinking this way. I just amended my post while you were quoting I am having trouble picturing him physically managing. He is a little guy.

You may be onto something... Just go with it!

 

[LoriMcA]

Very interesting! I think I know who Stan Laurel is thinking of, I wonder if it is the same with you. I would suggest a PM with Stan Laurel.

^^BBM

I think I do too...from posts wayyyyy back beginning of July or so... I was on a train of thought then as well but then got caught up in figuring out things regarding DG and the acreage....

There's always been a niggling in the back of my mind about another scenario ...still trying to piece it all.....it's so frustrating...I wish we knew what evidence was at the house...

 

[LoisLane]

Of course so why am I even thinking this way. I just amended my post while you were quoting I am having trouble picturing him physically managing. He is a little guy.

Also, he could be sitting tight because if the other person is found out he will for sure be found guilty and if they aren't exposed he may believe his chances are better.

 

[LoisLane]

^^BBM

I think I do too...from posts wayyyyy back beginning of July or so... I was on a train of thought then as well but then got caught up in figuring out things regarding DG and the acreage....

There's always been a niggling in the back of my mind about another scenario ...still trying to piece it all.....it's so frustrating...I wish we knew what evidence was at the house...

It is frustrating, it amazes me that we can still think something up this far down the road. Little by little I think more info will become available or a few pieces will fall into place. I am interested in your other scenario!

 

[Cherchri]

Also, he could be sitting tight because if the other person is found out he will for sure be found guilty and if they aren't exposed he may believe his chances are better.

I think we all have the same nagging, hinky thingy about the same person. I do know Stan's suspect and that would be my first choice too. I just can't figure out how the two would jive. I'm hoping we will have other sleuths putting ideas forward. There are some great minds in our midst and piece by piece we can work this out. I just know it.

 

[Sillybilly]

I read a comment in another forum where someone mentioned the Thanksgiving dinner DG supposedly attended with AL/PG and the poster said he heard DG's behavior was 'somewhat removed', maybe he's just uncomfortable around group situations though, so I take it as gossip.

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From another source ... MSM reported that Allen saw DG at Thanksgiving and that they didn't speak much.

check swedie's earlier post with video link:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...algary-30-June-2014-5&p=10721326#post10721326

Not considered gossip when it comes from family, LE or MSM

 

[Sillybilly]

Yes, definetly!

ETA... But why would DG be willing to sit in jail for it? Couldn't he have presented compelling testimony to LE that would have given them reasonable doubt?

Because they would both be guilty of 1st degree, so what's the point of taking the other guy down with you if you don't have to. Plus "rats" don't do well in prison.

 

[Sillybilly]

I have all kinds of theories...haha...many many rolling around my head...

If it was DG....I go back and forth with 'alone' (because he doesn't really seem to associate with others...as far as we know)

Or with another ....*I think because of the description you've given us...not a large man...not frail but smaller build.... & 3 people murdered...1 being a fairly large man in 'their territory' so to speak...their home*...the other person tho? ....I have no idea 'who' that might be...because of my first reason above....who would he be 'in kahoots' with when he 'seems' to be such a loner?

On the other hand....if it wasn't him....I have 2 people I have my hinky meter going off about....but I would definitely be snipped....so I will keep that to myself

The one thing I will say...& I've thought all along is....money.

ETA: One thing I will say tho....I most definitely...absolutely....do NOT think JO or RO are involved in any way shape or form. I would bet my life they are NOT. no way no how...

Whether your 5' or 6' .. possibly with a gun held to someone's head, that wields a lot of power and control.

Re being "snipped" .. yes you would be

WRT "money" .. something to keep in mind if drugs are an issue. If/when someone owes money for drugs and can't pay, they can be enlisted to assist in all sorts of nasty things to square up the debt.

 

[LoriMcA]

Whether your 5' or 6' .. possibly with a gun held to someone's head, that wields a lot of power and control.

Re being "snipped" .. yes you would be

WRT "money" .. something to keep in mind if drugs are an issue. If/when someone owes money for drugs and can't pay, they can be enlisted to assist in all sorts of nasty things to square up the debt.

You are definitely right about that...a gun to your head or possibly to a loved one can be very convincing....

About the snip...I know I would be...or worse....why I'm not letting the voices in my head speak :silenced:

I haven't really considered the drug angle at all...it wasn't one of my 'theories'...but I can see how someone could be coerced into doing things as a sort of 'squaring' things up.....ugh....

I don't understand that at all...maybe I'm naive...money=human being? Does not compute...but it happens JMOO of course.

 

[Slebby]

DG isn't a very big man. Could he have lifted AL's body?

Personally, I'd be surprised if he had a partner. That's just a gut feeling, based on his being such a loner, based on the theory that DG and DG alone held the long simmering grudge against AL for a perceived wrong. That's just me.

So if he acted alone, he had to either lift the dead bodies with surprising strength, dismember them to manageable size for removal or chemically dissolve them to a manageable size for removal. What caused the wet drag marks on the driveway? Was the leaking fluid body fluids or a mix of body fluids and chemicals as well?

Is anyone who believes the "chemically dissolved" theory open to the possibility that the chemicals were used at the Parkhill home and not the acreage? Can that sort of process be completed in a matter of hours? Can it be done in a bathtub? How thoroughly could such evidence be washed down a drain?

(I'm sorry, it seems so terribly graphic to ask these questions...)

 

[Krystine]

And again I wasn't thorough enough...

If hypothetically, LE has the right man, I just don't see detachment. Targeting, executing, planning to try to get away with it, no confession, engaged in the defence...

When it comes to suicide watch, I would assume LE would have to err on the side of caution if it was something as simple as him saying "Crap. I wish I were dead." Like someone said earlier, there is no way to determine his mental state. If he had any choice between appearing on CCTV or being there in person, choosing to be there in person knowing family members may be there can be read as pretty confident.

Like virtually everything about this, you can read it from either ends of the extremes. Am I driving anyone nuts yet?

A little bit.

 

[Krystine]

DG isn't a very big man. Could he have lifted AL's body?

Personally, I'd be surprised if he had a partner. That's just a gut feeling, based on his being such a loner, based on the theory that DG and DG alone held the long simmering grudge against AL for a perceived wrong. That's just me.

So if he acted alone, he had to either lift the dead bodies with surprising strength, dismember them to manageable size for removal or chemically dissolve them to a manageable size for removal. What caused the wet drag marks on the driveway? Was the leaking fluid body fluids or a mix of body fluids and chemicals as well?

Is anyone who believes the "chemically dissolved" theory open to the possibility that the chemicals were used at the Parkhill home and not the acreage? Can that sort of process be completed in a matter of hours? Can it be done in a bathtub? How thoroughly could such evidence be washed down a drain?

(I'm sorry, it seems so terribly graphic to ask these questions...)

It's hard to know if loner means, no friends, no alliances with anyone at all in the case of DG.
He could be, as someone said, very influential in the underworld of crime in Calgary and area. Or just a good go-to guy in the world of drug manufacturing.
To me it seems ambitious on our part to think one small man could do all you described, on the scene, in less than 12 hours. Think about he logistics of what it would take. Think of the suspicious noises of power tools in the middle of the night.
Personally, I don't think the dead baby squirrel on the road beside my house could be dissolved in a bathtub overnight...(and I'm not about to try). Ugh.
Is it possible that there is someone in the area that is trusted in these circles, and could be called upon to make bodies disappear and clean up any crime scene evidence?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Or someone could have engaged DG's assistance? I ask for reasons I won't share right now. Having seen DG up close and personal and bearing in mind we have discussed this at length..... One of the reasons is his physicality. He is literally my size. I am strong and have managed to figure out ways to move very heavy objects over the years but with stress and the risk of being caught, I just can't imagine how he could have managed alone. We are given to believe there are no other POI's but I'm scratching my head.

I am of the same opinion....someone could have engaged DG's assistance. Perhaps DG was just to give them a ride and didn't even know what the deal was...it could be that DG is the scapecoat right now for someone else or someone(s) else. I have felt that since the beginning.

 

[Krystine]

I'm interested to know how many here think more than one person committed this crime? If you don't think DG did this alone, how many people do you think were involved? If you are going with more than one, who do you suspect?

I have always thought there must have been an accomplice, and stated it from the get-go. Either an accomplice or a helper.
Do we have to choose someone from the cast of characters we know about?
I'm thinking someone who specializes in removing evidence from a crime scene, someone from the underbelly of Calgary's criminal community, or who knows,...maybe former LE, morgue employee, ?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I see where you're going, but why would it be important that the vehicles were stolen near the Liknes home? If the accused planned to steal the vehicle he used to transport them a day later, he could have stolen them from anywhere.

It's not important they were stolen near the Liknes home, that's just where they were stolen from according to the information posted yesterday...weren't they?
I might be confused :cheesehead:

 

[Slebby]

I am of the same opinion....someone could have engaged DG's assistance. Perhaps DG was just to give them a ride and didn't even know what the deal was...it could be that DG is the scapecoat right now for someone else or someone(s) else. I have felt that since the beginning.

If that were the case, it would be in his best interests to cooperate with LE. I know if I was drawn unknowingly into a triple murder that included the death of a child, I wouldn't sit silently bearing the responsibility. I'd be seething with anger at the betrayal and sick with remorse that a child had been murdered. No amount of self-preservation would keep me from doing what I can to see justice for the child, and hopefully, to assist LE and the victims' families in recovering the remains.
IMO

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I was trying to post this last night but an electrical storm threw our power out.

What is this about? Shane Parker expressed this outside the courtroom after the September 17th court date.


"I like the idea of a preliminary inquiry, it gives us a chance to test drive some of the evidence — make sure where we're at in terms of some of the behind-the-scenes work," said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker. "It gives us more time to make sure we're ready once the jury trial is slated to go."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...appearance-draws-gasps-in-courtroom-1.2768976

Ummm...excuse me....who "test-drives" evidence to "make sure where we're at in terms of some of the behind-the-scenes work". So what...he's glad they've got time to "tweak" the evidence or get some new stuff? Either you have it or you don't...no? I don't know this sounds really odd to me. If I were a Crown Prosecutor, I probably wouldn't be saying such things just because of how it sounds....could be taken so many different ways. Very strange, IMO.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

I have always thought there must have been an accomplice, and stated it from the get-go. Either an accomplice or a helper.
Do we have to choose someone from the cast of characters we know about?
I'm thinking someone who specializes in removing evidence from a crime scene, someone from the underbelly of Calgary's criminal community, or who knows,...maybe former LE, morgue employee, ?

That's an interesting question. I have no doubt there's a cast of characters we don't know about and they've just been given a long, long time to hide their tracks. DG was probably going to make some cash for his assistance and likely got bilked out of that...I think he got used and left to hold the bag. JMO