Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #16

[winnnancy]

You are definitely right about that...a gun to your head or possibly to a loved one can be very convincing....

About the snip...I know I would be...or worse....why I'm not letting the voices in my head speak :silenced:

I haven't really considered the drug angle at all...it wasn't one of my 'theories'...but I can see how someone could be coerced into doing things as a sort of 'squaring' things up.....ugh....

I don't understand that at all...maybe I'm naive...money=human being? Does not compute...but it happens JMOO of course.

Sadly, I'm utterly lost with this post. I can't even venture a guess as to who might be a potential accomplice!

 

[Tinkerbel1]

If that were the case, it would be in his best interests to cooperate with LE. I know if I was drawn unknowingly into a triple murder that included the death of a child, I wouldn't sit silently bearing the responsibility. I'd be seething with anger at the betrayal and sick with remorse that a child had been murdered. No amount of self-preservation would keep me from doing what I can to see justice for the child, and hopefully, to assist LE and the victims' families in recovering the remains.
IMO

You know the saying "there's honor among thieves"...he opens his mouth and he knows he's a dead duck. Seething with anger? Well, hasn't someone described him like that? If I were DG, I wouldn't be saying one word to LE...I'ld be talking to my lawyer...and planning my big lawsuit against LE. Trust me, DG would not be seeing LE as his friends right now and he's probably gotten the idea that it doesn't matter what he says to them, he's not going to be believed. They all say "I didn't do it" and it doesn't make one bit of difference does it? Uh uh....I believe he will sit quiet and get the person that can really help him, to help him, and that's not LE. They are the last people he'll be talking to.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Yes, definetly!

ETA... But why would DG be willing to sit in jail for it? Couldn't he have presented compelling testimony to LE that would have given them reasonable doubt?

Nope...no compelling testimony to LE. He wouldn't be believed anyway. He'ld be waiting for his lawyer...his lawyer can get things followed up. Honestly, I think something is going to break in this case before the preliminary trial date in May. JMO

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Sadly, I'm utterly lost with this post. I can't even venture a guess as to who might be a potential accomplice!

There are quite a few in my mind...AL had many business connections, many over the years.

 

[Slebby]

You know the saying "there's honor among thieves"...he opens his mouth and he knows he's a dead duck. Seething with anger? Well, hasn't someone described him like that? If I were DG, I wouldn't be saying one word to LE...I'ld be talking to my lawyer...and planning my big lawsuit against LE. Trust me, DG would not be seeing LE as his friends right now and he's probably gotten the idea that it doesn't matter what he says to them, he's not going to be believed. They all say "I didn't do it" and it doesn't make one bit of difference does it? Uh uh....I believe he will sit quiet and get the person that can really help him, to help him, and that's not LE. They are the last people he'll be talking to.

OK. Hypothetical. You are DG. You are in jail, charged with a triple homicide you didn't plan, didn't know was going to happen, you were just helping some buddies.
Your parents are in shock and grief that you their son are in jail for triple murder.
Your sister is in shock and grief because her 5 year old nephew and her in laws have been murdered, and because her own brother is in jail charged with the murders.
You know that the families are in shock and grief over their loss, and yearn for the recovery of the remains so they may be placed in a proper final resting place.

You face life in prison if convicted.

You would put "honor among thieves" ahead of all this?

If DG is in fact involved, on what basis does he bring a lawsuit against LE? They have correctly uncovered his involvement in a triple murder.

IMHO

 

[Tinkerbel1]

And again I wasn't thorough enough...

If hypothetically, LE has the right man, I just don't see detachment. Targeting, executing, planning to try to get away with it, no confession, engaged in the defence...

When it comes to suicide watch, I would assume LE would have to err on the side of caution if it was something as simple as him saying "Crap. I wish I were dead." Like someone said earlier, there is no way to determine his mental state. If he had any choice between appearing on CCTV or being there in person, choosing to be there in person knowing family members may be there can be read as pretty confident.

Like virtually everything about this, you can read it from either ends of the extremes. Am I driving anyone nuts yet?

Nope, I don't see detached either, I see calm. I see surety. I see resolved. I see someone who is po'd alright but not for the reasons one might think. I think he's mad that he's sitting in the prisoners box and the "other(s)" our out scott free. I think we haven't heard the end of DG after this is over. I think there's going to be a BIG lawsuit and he's biding his time. He's not done here. I don't see detachment in the least. (Although yes Krystine, detachment can be a symptom of depression, and other things. Usually when our minds can't take anymore...we will detach, its a way the mind protects itself.)

 

[Slebby]

Nope, I don't see detached either, I see calm. I see surety. I see resolved. I see someone who is po'd alright but not for the reasons one might think. I think he's mad that he's sitting in the prisoners box and the "other(s)" our out scott free. I think we haven't heard the end of DG after this is over. I think there's going to be a BIG lawsuit and he's biding his time. He's not done here. I don't see detachment in the least. (Although yes Krystine, detachment can be a symptom of depression, and other things. Usually when our minds can't take anymore...we will detach, its a way the mind protects itself.)

Where are you "seeing" this? Do you mean from the descriptions of his demeanour by media? Do you "see" this from the pictures or video from the so-called perp walk? There's just a lot here, and I'm curious as to how you arrived at these observations. You think he's mad, you think he's biding his time...and so on.

 

[ABro]

Tunnel vision and wrongful prosecutions arise from people going by their feelings and not the evidence.

A cop -- who prides herself on being "intuitive" -- fixates on the wrong person and blocks out everything else. Evidence doesn't matter.

Feelings can prompt you to explore certain avenues and perhaps find evidence. BUt until that happens, feelings are just feelings no matter how good you think your feelings are.

 

[otto]

Sept20
http://epaper.calgaryherald.com/epaper/viewer.aspx

Another article with similar information:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...orial-service-to-be-held-in-calgary-1.2771776

Funeral Home article:

http://edenbrookcemetery.sharingmemories.ca/site/AlvinandKathrynLiknes.html?s=40

 

[Sillybilly]

...I think he got used and left to hold the bag. JMO

<rsbm>

Got used in what capacity?

...I'ld be talking to my lawyer...and planning my big lawsuit against LE.

<rsbm>

If he "got used" in whatever capacity that results in evidence pointing toward him for 1st degree murder, and he fails to give up the real culprits, how do you think that could ultimately justify a lawsuit against LE?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm interested to know how many here think more than one person committed this crime? If you don't think DG did this alone, how many people do you think were involved? If you are going with more than one, who do you suspect?

I've thought 2 because of logistics, I think it would've take two to over power two people as I don't think they were asleep (sadly) IMO.

But I also like to feel I can trust LE when they tell us it was only him, the only reason I feel they wouldn't divulge knowledge of a second suspect to the public is because they would be surveilling the second suspect currently and that they wouldn't be a threat to the public. If there is a second suspect, they wouldn't be a threat to the public because I would think it's someone VERY CLOSE to them.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I think we all have the same nagging, hinky thingy about the same person. I do know Stan's suspect and that would be my first choice too. I just can't figure out how the two would jive. I'm hoping we will have other sleuths putting ideas forward. There are some great minds in our midst and piece by piece we can work this out. I just know it.

I think we are all thinking the same or at least quite similar. It's hard to discuss because of snipping.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

<rsbm>

From another source ... MSM reported that Allen saw DG at Thanksgiving and that they didn't speak much.

check swedie's earlier post with video link:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...algary-30-June-2014-5&p=10721326#post10721326

Not considered gossip when it comes from family, LE or MSM

Thanks sillybilly I also got the feeling the commenter in the other forum knew them personally or was acquainted somehow and I felt like they were directly quoting what someone said of DG and the dinner, however, that is just my feeling, no proof! lol

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Because they would both be guilty of 1st degree, so what's the point of taking the other guy down with you if you don't have to. Plus "rats" don't do well in prison.

True, and also, let's say hypothetically if this was a financial arrangement, DG wouldn't get his cut if the other person was the administrator of funds. I still think DG has a personal motive, but might that have been used to bait him to do this more - that is - if there was two involved.

The crime would take a whole other direction IMO if two were involved.

 

[LoisLane]

Nope...no compelling testimony to LE. He wouldn't be believed anyway. He'ld be waiting for his lawyer...his lawyer can get things followed up. Honestly, I think something is going to break in this case before the preliminary trial date in May. JMO

Yes, I agree. DG was somewhat cooperative at one point so I would think if he was the assistant and not the master planner that he would answer a few questions early on. I am of the opinion that he is the mastermind I wonder if LE has other DNA mixed in any of the evidence.

 

[Krystine]

It's not important they were stolen near the Liknes home, that's just where they were stolen from according to the information posted yesterday...weren't they?
I might be confused :cheesehead:

They were stolen, according to LL's post, the morning previous to the murders.

 

[Krystine]

I've thought 2 because of logistics, I think it would've take two to over power two people as I don't think they were asleep (sadly) IMO.

But I also like to feel I can trust LE when they tell us it was only him, the only reason I feel they wouldn't divulge knowledge of a second suspect to the public is because they would be surveilling the second suspect currently and that they wouldn't be a threat to the public. If there is a second suspect, they wouldn't be a threat to the public because I would think it's someone VERY CLOSE to them.

OH...

 

[LoriMcA]

Sadly, I'm utterly lost with this post. I can't even venture a guess as to who might be a potential accomplice!

I was going point by point in reply to sillybilly ...he'd pointed out a few things I'd posted previous to that....

As for accomplice....

I had replied earlier that I go back & forth on the fence....

1...Because he's such an apparent 'loner' ...I wonder if he even had an accomplice....and 2...if he did happen to have an accomplice....I can't think really 'who'...it would be....

I think other scenarios....'what ifs' ...including...if there were other people entirely ...not including DG....that's a big IF at this point....LE has said not in so many words.....'he's their man' ...its SO puzzling!!!

all of course MOO & JMOO

 

[Krystine]

I was trying to post this last night but an electrical storm threw our power out.

What is this about? Shane Parker expressed this outside the courtroom after the September 17th court date.


"I like the idea of a preliminary inquiry, it gives us a chance to test drive some of the evidence &#8212; make sure where we're at in terms of some of the behind-the-scenes work," said Crown prosecutor Shane Parker. "It gives us more time to make sure we're ready once the jury trial is slated to go."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...appearance-draws-gasps-in-courtroom-1.2768976

Ummm...excuse me....who "test-drives" evidence to "make sure where we're at in terms of some of the behind-the-scenes work". So what...he's glad they've got time to "tweak" the evidence or get some new stuff? Either you have it or you don't...no? I don't know this sounds really odd to me. If I were a Crown Prosecutor, I probably wouldn't be saying such things just because of how it sounds....could be taken so many different ways. Very strange, IMO.

I don't like the sound of that at all. "Test drive the evidence" and "make sure where we're at"..comes across as not very confident. This prosecutor is a newbie, I believe.
That and the kindly, sympathetic elderly judge who was described to us makes me squeamish about what could be the outcome here.

 

[LoisLane]

Kaley! I see you are online... Was it you who found the diver dude on kijiji?