Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #17

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I get it. The objective is to take the evidence, or facts of the case, and find some alternate explanation. The green truck is of no interest to police ... perhaps a diversion. The 4x4 fence posts are not fence posts, they're part of an invisible gate that is big enough for a vehicle to drive through. It's easier for a criminal to remove a section of a fence and drive a vehicle onto the back lawn than to remove bodies from a crime scene via a door ... except, perhaps the bodies weren't removed. Perhaps the bodies are still at the crime scene. Maybe someone, not the chemist from Airdrie, but someone else with soap making materials, made the bodies disappear in Parkhill. When the homeowners move into the Parkhill house, maybe they'll find the bodies.

What are the facts other than a man has been charged with 3 murders? What is the definition of "sleuth"?

 

[LoisLane]

I recall discussions about advertising at the casino for the estate sale. Here is a copy of the Parkhill Community newsletter and they were fundraising for a new roof (2009) that took place at a casino. KL and AL are listed as volunteers as well as AL's friend JK who spoke about him at the memorial. They misspelled the last name as Linkes.

There is also a photo of KL if you scroll to page 12.

The file is a pdf.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j..._wsvt8P2YJimQfQfks27lpg&bvm=bv.76943099,d.cGE

 

[JadeSLeuth]

No go! I had shared links to MSM articles, and the pics with the black car are gone from those articles.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1432691/p...n-truck-has-information-about-missing-family/

"... Calgary Police have released two photos ... "

I know the other pic was there. Its now been replaced with the same one showing the white car parked. There was nothing showing in the truck bed though. I scrutinized the two pics and compared them to each other. Positive about that. But odd, no?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

No go! I had shared links to MSM articles, and the pics with the black car are gone from those articles.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1432691/p...n-truck-has-information-about-missing-family/

"... Calgary Police have released two photos ... "

I know the other pic was there. Its now been replaced with the same one showing the white car parked. There was nothing showing in the truck bed though. I scrutinized the two pics and compared them to each other. Positive about that. But odd, no?

One possibility is the picture has been enhanced. If you look closely at the back of the white car, the top and back pieces look very dark, as though the main area of the image has been digitally lightened. I don't recall a second picture myself, but several others do. I suppose it depends what news coverage you were watching, and when.

The mysterious second picture could possibly be a non-enhanced version.

 

[LoriMcA]

No go! I had shared links to MSM articles, and the pics with the black car are gone from those articles.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1432691/p...n-truck-has-information-about-missing-family/

"... Calgary Police have released two photos ... "

I know the other pic was there. Its now been replaced with the same one showing the white car parked. There was nothing showing in the truck bed though. I scrutinized the two pics and compared them to each other. Positive about that. But odd, no?

At your link above...it shows the one picture we've all seen...but if you watch the video...they do show 2...but...it's the same picture...one is cropped & appears a bit closer...you can 'just' see the hood of the white car...it is definitely hard to see and the background is very dark....could that be it? *in the video it's around the 20-25 sec mark & on*

 

[JadeSLeuth]

At your link above...it shows the one picture we've all seen...but if you watch the video...they do show 2...but...it's the same picture...one is cropped & appears a bit closer...you can 'just' see the hood of the white car...it is definitely hard to see and the background is very dark....could that be it? *in the video it's around the 30-35 sec mark & on*

Ohh I wish it could be either this or OOTD's thoughts in his comment above. I just remember it so well ... It was a smaller car, similar in size to the white one, but a completely different car. The positioning of the truck was different also. The reason I was looking so carefully was that there was debate (I think on another forum) about exactly what year the truck was. People were talking about the details of the trim, the windows, etc to try to narrow down the year.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Ohh I wish it could be either this or OOTD's thoughts in his comment above. I just remember it so well ... It was a smaller car, similar in size to the white one, but a completely different car. The positioning of the truck was different also. The reason I was looking so carefully was that there was debate (I think on another forum) about exactly what year the truck was. People were talking about the details of the trim, the windows, etc to try to narrow down the year.

It would certainly make the "missing mirror" comment less curious if there was a second, completely different picture.

 

[deugirtni]

That is *very* odd, and it happens to not be the only thing that has disappeared. LoisLane and I both clearly recall on one of the videos of LE doing an update, that the officer (Andrus?) had made a comment about how putting pieces of evidence together, and after x many days of people not using their bank accounts, and etc., that they can be presumed dead. Neither of us, after vigorous searching, can find that statement in the videos any more, anywhere.

Also, the thing about the rear view mirror being potentially missing instead of the sideview mirror.. the neighbour said as soon as he saw the picture, he recognized it as being DG's BECAUSE of the missing mirror.. but in the picture, can we see the rearview mirror? Can we see *any* missing mirror in that picture?

Also, when I looked at the photo of the green truck when beside the white car, I had presumed that the white car was also travelling on the road, in another lane. Is that in fact a parked vehicle?

Interesting about the missing 2nd photo beside the 'black' vehicle!

Welcome to WS!

No go! I had shared links to MSM articles, and the pics with the black car are gone from those articles.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1432691/p...n-truck-has-information-about-missing-family/

"... Calgary Police have released two photos ... "

I know the other pic was there. Its now been replaced with the same one showing the white car parked. There was nothing showing in the truck bed though. I scrutinized the two pics and compared them to each other. Positive about that. But odd, no?

 

[deugirtni]

Regarding the Amber Alerts.. is it odd that it would state that the child was last seen in the area of MacLeod Trail in Southwest Calgary, as opposed to the actual location from where the child went missing? (Isnt' Winpet's address on MacLeod Trail?)

 

[Tinkerbel1]

No go! I had shared links to MSM articles, and the pics with the black car are gone from those articles.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1432691/p...n-truck-has-information-about-missing-family/

"... Calgary Police have released two photos ... "

I know the other pic was there. Its now been replaced with the same one showing the white car parked. There was nothing showing in the truck bed though. I scrutinized the two pics and compared them to each other. Positive about that. But odd, no?

Yes, it definitely is odd...which is directly in line with all the other oddities. Don't you hate it when something was there before and all of a sudden it's gone. That's happened with quite a few things. What's up with that? Google glitch? Or is someone removing them?

 

[otto]

How do you explain there being a triple murder at the Parkhill home when there were sightings of them all across Canada? Maybe we can't figure out how the bodies got out of the house because they walked and weren't dragged, heaved, rolled, or catapulted out. Maybe they didn't cease to exist at that house. Maybe it was a police dog that wandered between the houses. Why are the drag marks such a point of contention. There's voluminous amounts of evidence...the drag marks could amount to nothing, or if anything, they are 1 piece of evidence. I think we need to put this into perspective and move along with trying to figure out what happened to the Liknes' and NO.

It is normal for there to be numerous sightings of people from ocean to ocean while they are missing, and well after they are deceased. They are false sightings.

Now we're going to assume that the victims aren't dead; that the medical examiner and police are just plain stupid? That is, they'd have to be just plain stupid to confirm that living people are deceased. Perspective is good:

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" ~ Aristotle

"Merely adding up the component parts is meaningless compared with the "part-whole" relationship"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24406559

The drag marks in isolation are meaningless. The facts of the case, in totality, tell us the story of what happened.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

That is *very* odd, and it happens to not be the only thing that has disappeared. LoisLane and I both clearly recall on one of the videos of LE doing an update, that the officer (Andrus?) had made a comment about how putting pieces of evidence together, and after x many days of people not using their bank accounts, and etc., that they can be presumed dead. Neither of us, after vigorous searching, can find that statement in the videos any more, anywhere.

Also, the thing about the rear view mirror being potentially missing instead of the sideview mirror.. the neighbour said as soon as he saw the picture, he recognized it as being DG's BECAUSE of the missing mirror.. but in the picture, can we see the rearview mirror? Can we see *any* missing mirror in that picture?

Also, when I looked at the photo of the green truck when beside the white car, I had presumed that the white car was also travelling on the road, in another lane. Is that in fact a parked vehicle?

Interesting about the missing 2nd photo beside the 'black' vehicle!

Welcome to WS!

Odd as well that the neighbor knows which truck is DG's. If there wasn't any contact for 7 years, how would the neighbor know what DG drove or if a mirror was missing? I remember you looking for that pic of the black vehicle a couple of weeks back. Maybe things that aren't relative to the case are being removed? I don't know why this would happen so often. Or, maybe the actual 'evidence' that's online is being removed?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

It is normal for there to be numerous sightings of people from ocean to ocean while they are missing, and well after they are deceased. They are fall sightings.

Now we're going to assume that the victims aren't dead; that the medical examiner and police are just plain stupid? That is, they'd have to be just plain stupid to confirm that living people are deceased. Perspective is good:

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" ~ Aristotle

"Merely adding up the component parts is meaningless compared with the "part-whole" relationship"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24406559

The drag marks in isolation are meaningless. The facts of the case, in totality, tell us the story of what happened.

Yes, Aristotle is correct. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. The whole would include all the other information that does not line up with the primary theory. It ALL has to be looked at to be the whole. Unless there are 2 wholes, in which case, you can't discount one of them. Not saying that this is what has happened, but deaths have been 'staged' to get past LE and ME's investigations in the past, so no, I would not say the ME and LE are stupid...that's not even close to the truth. If they've been presented a logical storyline, of course that's what they're going to follow. People nowadays aren't stupid either. They do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. No links provided. JMO

 

[otto]

Yes, Aristotle is correct. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. The whole would include all the other information that does not line up with the primary theory. It ALL has to be looked at to be the whole. Not saying that this is what has happened, but deaths have been 'staged' to get past LE and ME's investigations in the past, so no, I would not say the ME and LE are stupid...that's not even close to the truth. If they've been presented a logical storyline, of course that's what they're going to follow. People nowadays aren't stupid either. They do all kinds of things for all kinds of reasons. No links provided. JMO

The whole does not include whether the sun will rise tomorrow. The whole relates to the known facts of the case, not whether there was a horse or a U-Haul at Parkhill on the night of the murder.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

It is normal for there to be numerous sightings of people from ocean to ocean while they are missing, and well after they are deceased. They are false sightings.

Now we're going to assume that the victims aren't dead; that the medical examiner and police are just plain stupid? That is, they'd have to be just plain stupid to confirm that living people are deceased. Perspective is good:

"The whole is greater than the sum of its parts" ~ Aristotle

"Merely adding up the component parts is meaningless compared with the "part-whole" relationship"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24406559

The drag marks in isolation are meaningless. The facts of the case, in totality, tell us the story of what happened.

I don't remember the McCann's being sighted. There are no bodies in that case, but it is clearly obvious they are dead. Not one oddity there. No twists and turns. No strangeness to their disappearance. Left on holidays, motorhome found burnt to the ground. No sightings. No reason to wonder 'what the heck?' with that case. It is what it appears to be. JMO

 

[Tinkerbel1]

The whole does not include whether the sun will rise tomorrow. The whole relates to the known facts of the case, not whether there was a horse or a U-Haul at Parkhill on the night of the murder.

The whole also relates to the 'unknown-as-of-yet' facts as well. That includes all the information on the other side of the fence. We have to look at both sides of the story in order to get the true picture of what went on. No the horse doesn't matter, I doubt it was there. The U-Haul doesn't matter, it wasn't there either...it was an attempt to "think outside the box". The sun will rise tomorrow...it always does...somewhere.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Yeah, seven years.

I've had a bank account closed after 2 years of inactivity. I forgot it was there.

 

[Tinkerbel1]

What are the facts other than a man has been charged with 3 murders? What is the definition of "sleuth"?

There was a green truck on CCTV footage and drag marks thru something on the sidewalk, and apparently there was horse in the backyard.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

The whole does not include whether the sun will rise tomorrow. The whole relates to the known facts of the case, not whether there was a horse or a U-Haul at Parkhill on the night of the murder.

Exactly. The "known" facts. It's the unknown facts, which are numerous, that people sleuth to find. No one is saying LE is right or wrong... it's beyond that black and white thinking.

The fact is that there are marks on the sidewalk. It is not a fact that they are related to the crime. That is speculation. It's no different than the what ifs others put forward.

 

[kaley]

Regarding the Amber Alerts.. is it odd that it would state that the child was last seen in the area of MacLeod Trail in Southwest Calgary, as opposed to the actual location from where the child went missing? (Isnt' Winpet's address on MacLeod Trail?)

deugirtni, do you have a link to the amber alert?