Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #17

[winnnancy]

" crime scenes" as opposed to disposal sites?
Does this mean that it was felt one of the murders occurred elsewhere?

Where were the SAR personnel?
Not at the home but possibly the neighbourhood.
The acreage
The agricultural disposal site
Were they at the landfill?

 

[news.talk]

Well we know there was a sweep of the Agricultural Building, with that ominous sign "Post Mortem Only", by the abandoned (at the time) old Ford Dealership. Pardon my ignorance, what is SAR?

Search and Rescue. I wondered about the term 'crime scene'... While the landfills are routine as LE have stated, I am curious if they actually found evidence of the victims somewhere. He wouldnt clarify, as I expect that level of professionalism, but for SAR to be involved, it has to be more than evidence gathering - that is done by forensics, not SAR.

The ominous agricultural building sounds promising... does anyone remember SAR vehicles there with a team?

 

[news.talk]

Where were the SAR personnel?
Not at the home but possibly the neighbourhood.
The acreage
The agricultural disposal site
Were they at the landfill?

He did say they actively searched by the Parkhill home, specifically the river and Stanley Park but was specifically talking about searching the "three crime scenes" as separate entities - he mentioned the residence and acreage and when I asked about the third he clammed up, stating confidentiality.

 

[otto]

That is a strong assumption. [modsnip] We want to explore and we are able to detach from an idea or theory but we are here to roll thru them. The backyard was being considered and I simply asked if you had the renderring that you created. It would have been helpful if you provided it [modsnip]. Even if the backyard theory turns out to be nothing it is still a process and what is discovered can lead to something else.

It's a straight forward split level house with an attachment at the rear of the house that was probably added after it was built. The dining room has a patio door that goes to a deck that is about 4 feet above ground. There are stairs on the South side of the deck. The deck can be seen in google maps.

I did not post the virtual model rendering for two reason. First, my photobucket account is offline because of too many views, and secondly, I seem to recall a rather negative reaction to the virtual model.

 

[Sillybilly]

Missing Calgary grandparents Kathy and Alvin Liknes mourned by family, friends ...

Spreading a message of hope and remembrance, friends and family of a couple at the centre of a mysterious murder investigation gathered to say goodbye Saturday.

Hundreds packed into First Alliance Church to pay their respects to Katherine and Alvin Liknes, who along with five-year-old grandson Nathan O’Brien went missing on June 30.

full article at:
http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/09/2...d-by-family-friends?google_editors_picks=true

 

[LoisLane]

Search and Rescue. I wondered about the term 'crime scene'... While the landfills are routine as LE have stated, I am curious if they actually found evidence of the victims somewhere. He wouldnt clarify, as I expect that level of professionalism, but for SAR to be involved, it has to be more than evidence gathering - that is done by forensics, not SAR.

The ominous agricultural building sounds promising... does anyone remember SAR vehicles there with a team?

There was a photo posted. I recall seeing police vehicles blocking the road.

It could also be the pond?

 

[LoisLane]

Debated posting this but I am stumped and would love the expert sleuthers here to provide some input...

I was speaking with a SAR member and he divulged that LE and his unit had searched "THREE potential crime scenes." If we are exploring potential aspects if this case due to the lack of public information and we assume this to be a possibility rather than rumour, where could this additional crime scene be located and what was it's purpose?

Maybe the plane search by Greg Head's brothers company found something.

 

[news.talk]

Maybe the plane search by Greg Head's brothers company found something.

Given that bail hasn't been requested after reviewing a substantial amount of the disclosure, I can only surmise that they have found *something* of significance, above the circumstantial small pieces that LE have alluded to. Since they cannot disclose anything they find after the arrest has taken place, I can't help but think there *is* the smoking gun that they didn't have in the beginning of the process.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Debated posting this but I am stumped and would love the expert sleuthers here to provide some input...

I was speaking with a SAR member and he divulged that LE and his unit had searched "THREE potential crime scenes." If we are exploring potential aspects if this case due to the lack of public information and we assume this to be a possibility rather than rumour, where could this additional crime scene be located and what was it's purpose?

Whoah, thanks news.talk, that's pretty major news. Didn't some of us think there was a third place?! I wonder if it's a private place like we thought. Good grief, this is heart breaking to hear though….Makes me think of little Nathan

I wonder if he was in a dilemma regarding NO and mulled over his decision about what to do. I'm thinking one person was injured gravely at the home, and they were all taken to a second location where he dealt with the couple, then thought possibly long and hard about what to do about NO, which led to a third place.

Or simply, the crimes were all committed at the home, maybe temporarily brought to the acreage and then a final dumping (I hate this word, can't think of another word) location.

 

[news.talk]

Whoah, thanks news.talk, that's pretty major news. Didn't some of us think there was a third place?! I wonder if it's a private place like we thought. Good grief, this is heart breaking to hear though….Makes me think of little Nathan

I wonder if he was in a dilemma regarding NO and mulled over his decision about what to do. I'm thinking one person was injured gravely at the home, and they were all taken to a second location where he dealt with the couple, then thought possibly long and hard about what to do about NO, which led to a third place.

Or simply, the crimes were all committed at the home, maybe temporarily brought to the acreage and then a final dumping (I hate this word, can't think of another word) location.

It's been bugging me all week! I hate when my so called friends are so darn cryptic! It's almost like they don't trust me and think I am going to post it on a public website. [emoji51]

If they brought in SAR, I can only conclude it wasn't evidence they were looking for but bodies. I strongly believe that if they actually found them, the public would be notified, so something must of turned up in their investigation to lead them to another location. Perhaps that location didn't yield any results and that is why we haven't heard about it. I'm just curious where it could be.

 

[Krystine]

Search and Rescue. I wondered about the term 'crime scene'... While the landfills are routine as LE have stated, I am curious if they actually found evidence of the victims somewhere. He wouldnt clarify, as I expect that level of professionalism, but for SAR to be involved, it has to be more than evidence gathering - that is done by forensics, not SAR.

The ominous agricultural building sounds promising... does anyone remember SAR vehicles there with a team?

Thank you! I'm terrible with acronyms, even the short ones.
I had wondered why the interest in that specific industrial area. Does anyone remember the pile of rolled up tarps against the chain link fence?
And the crudely drawn "post mortem only" written on the door of the bay gave me the chills. Stranger than fiction.

 

[Krystine]

http://www.rockyviewweekly.com/arti...ld-over-search-called-off&template=JQMArticle

There is a good chance this is the third crime scene. Read the caption under the main photo, "Search and Rescue....."

 

[LoisLane]

Given that bail hasn't been requested after reviewing a substantial amount of the disclosure, I can only surmise that they have found *something* of significance, above the circumstantial small pieces that LE have alluded to. Since they cannot disclose anything they find after the arrest has taken place, I can't help but think there *is* the smoking gun that they didn't have in the beginning of the process.

I thought that bail wouldn't be requested because of the "minor" incident where DG broke his bail conditions from the Identity theft charges. Would he have had any chance based on that alone?

 

[LoriMcA]

"Friends and family of Alvin and Kathryn Liknes gathered at a southeast church on Saturday morning..."

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/remembering-the-lives-of-alvin-and-kathryn-liknes-1.2027745

 

[news.talk]

I thought that bail wouldn't be requested because of the "minor" incident where DG broke his bail conditions from the Identity theft charges. Would he have had any chance based on that alone?

I Personally don't think it would be granted, but I do find it unusual that it hasn't been requested.

 

[stan laurel]

It's a straight forward split level house with an attachment at the rear of the house that was probably added after it was built. The dining room has a patio door that goes to a deck that is about 4 feet above ground. There are stairs on the South side of the deck. The deck can be seen in google maps.

I did not post the virtual model rendering for two reason. First, my photobucket account is offline because of too many views, and secondly, I seem to recall a rather negative reaction to the virtual model.

We had a portion of the fence we could lift off and get the boat in the backyard as a big swing gate wasn't feasible in our alley. also, our part of the fence that had the garbage bins was built in as box with lid that lifted to access the top of the garbage cans and to keep snow from making them inaccessible to the garbageman. in the pic above there is no box area for bins to sit. I can't discern if the L's had a tent trailer/boat/rv in the yard, even old tracks are usually noticeable.

 

[LoriMcA]

"Hundreds of people turned out in Calgary for a memorial for Kathy and Alvin Liknes, the grandparents of five-year-old Nathan O'Brien, who all disappeared this summer."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...s-to-alvin-kathy-liknes-at-memorial-1.2779924

 

[LoriMcA]

"It was a memory I will forever cherish," O'Brien tells a crowd of more than 400 assembled Saturday morning at Calgary's First Alliance Church, of a busy day that ended with a dinner of takeout Chinese food, a movie and a family hug session on the couch."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/c...arents+after+summer+tears/10242517/story.html

So touching...:rose:

 

[LoisLane]

So it appears quite a few reporters were at the memorial. Did any WS'ers attend?

 

[Tinkerbel1]

Sure, perhaps a 40 year old Alvin Liknes, the oil executive, socialized with a 22 year old Garland, the meth cooker, in 1990, but not likely. His sister is what ... 8 years younger than Douglas, so she was 16. Allen Liknes did not live in Airdrie and did not go to school there. How would he have met the 16 year old and why would Allen then introduce his father to the meth cooker?

Maybe 22 year old DG worked for 40 year old AL in the Oil industry...could be summer job before/after University. Perhaps his sister, 16 year old PG did some babysitting for KL...perhaps Social Services were involved with the Garland children for some reason and KL met them through there...she did work at Social Services. DG was a meth cooker once...it doesn't mean he's always been a meth cooker. How do we know that PG and AL(jr) met first? Maybe AL(sr) and DG met first? Maybe AL was acquainted with the elder Garland's for some reason. Oil executive? I am a business owner...it does not make me an "executive". No offense to AL. There's a lot of assumption here, IMO.